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May 09, 2012, 03:46:15 PM
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whats the bounty for a good text version?  i can make this happen.
It's already happened...

PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0nc35rpevjcu9p4/Bitcoin%20FBI.pdf
DOCX: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p9m3hd7yfq2ee16/Bitcoin%20FBI.docx
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May 09, 2012, 03:54:36 PM
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Does he mean an ASCII text version suitable for pastebin? That would be a plus.

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May 09, 2012, 04:02:01 PM
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Does he mean an ASCII text version suitable for pastebin? That would be a plus.
There you go: http://pastebin.com/D2VVvQ36
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May 09, 2012, 04:03:02 PM
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BTC_Bear is right.  If done properly, any copies that any intermediaries made would simply be of encrypted gibberish.  Only A and Z could spend from the wallet.  The B-Y handlers would only have an encrypted form of the wallet…make all the copies you want, they would be useless without the private key that Z possesses and which is needed to decrypt the wallet.

LOLZ.  That is the solution?

Um how does "B" make sure the wallet is valid if it is encrypted?  Trust the criminal counterpart with $1M in product? So "B" (or any number of intermediaries) hand "Z" a wallet and ... oops turns out it is encrypted garbage.  Guess "A" just stole $1M.

Now lets say it is valid.  That does nothing to address the fact that "A" could simply steal from "Z" at will any time in the future until the funds are moved.

Now lets pretend A is honest.

What does "Z" do w/ this encrypted wallet when he needs to spend it?  Sell it to a new party?  Then Mr. "New Party" has to trust not just Z but also A (and maybe A did the same thing so he is trusting people he doesn't even know).

Once again there is a reason why we hash tx into blocks.  People are afraid to sell a 1 BTC steam game on a 0-confirm tx but somehow think criminals will trust counterparts they know are criminals with multi-million dollar drug tx and keep them 0-confirm not for 10 minutes but to hours, weeks, or even years?  LOLZ.  If you can trust your counterparty to never cheat you then you don't need a blockchain to begin with.  Without the blockchain to enforce irreversibility it is simply an IOU.

B to Y could verify the amount the whole way with out spending. I'll let you figure out how. It is quite simple actually.

Casacius Coins and Bitbills are out of business then. And they are 'legitimate' businesses without the threat of 'if you screw me over, it's the fishes for you'.

But it is OK, It can't be done. You're right.


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May 09, 2012, 04:16:08 PM
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cool.  i'll just let myself out...
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May 09, 2012, 04:17:53 PM
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Does he mean an ASCII text version suitable for pastebin? That would be a plus.
There you go: http://pastebin.com/D2VVvQ36
Sweet lol

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May 09, 2012, 04:33:12 PM
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Eh, don't use that.  I just realized that it didn't copy any of the text box text over.

Shouldn't be hard to copy/paste those pieces in though, if you want to take the time to do it.
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May 10, 2012, 10:45:30 AM
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http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/05/Bitcoin-FBI.pdf

Theirs must have been a different source since it's not an image and can be copied/pasted.

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May 10, 2012, 11:35:02 AM
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http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/05/Bitcoin-FBI.pdf

Theirs must have been a different source since it's not an image and can be copied/pasted.

LOL, so it's not a fake anymore? Roll Eyes

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May 10, 2012, 12:31:57 PM
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http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/05/Bitcoin-FBI.pdf

Theirs must have been a different source since it's not an image and can be copied/pasted.

also lulz on how it was reported to be leaked yesterday... wired...  also they were more anti bitcoin than the fbi.. the fbi had a decent informative overview.

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May 10, 2012, 12:39:19 PM
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The seems legit enough for me. I think this means good things for bitcoin. Even if it's publicity from LEO.

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May 10, 2012, 12:42:30 PM
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The FBI is intentionally leaking documents the same way Hip-Hop Artists leak their latest tracks.

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May 10, 2012, 12:42:52 PM
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http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/05/Bitcoin-FBI.pdf

Theirs must have been a different source since it's not an image and can be copied/pasted.

Yeah wonder where they could have found an non-image version?  Hmm
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May 10, 2012, 12:57:47 PM
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http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/05/Bitcoin-FBI.pdf

Theirs must have been a different source since it's not an image and can be copied/pasted.

Yeah wonder where they could have found an non-image version?  Hmm
(Hint: look up thread)

Wowww and they didn't even give him credit for it?

I hope he put some sort of watermark in it

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May 10, 2012, 01:30:09 PM
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I'm no expert but different versions of PDF readers can do different things. I;m going to guess wired shelled out and get the good version.

Just speculation.

Look at both documents properties... GPL Ghostscript 8.63, PDFCreator 0.9.6, same creation and alteration date.
You speculate very badly, let me tell you that. Wink

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May 10, 2012, 01:45:13 PM
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I'm no expert but different versions of PDF readers can do different things. I;m going to guess wired shelled out and get the good version.

Just speculation.

No it is a bit for bit copy.  It even has the same (minor) formatting errors in the exact same spots.
On edit: oops psy beat me to it.

Hey SgtSpike your famous.  How does it feel to be published by Wired. Smiley
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May 10, 2012, 01:56:23 PM
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I'm no expert but different versions of PDF readers can do different things. I;m going to guess wired shelled out and get the good version.

Just speculation.

No it is a bit for bit copy.  It even has the same (minor) formatting errors in the exact same spots.
On edit: oops psy beat me to it.

Hey SgtSpike your famous.  How does it feel to be published by Wired. Smiley


How can they use a recreation of a document (that equally has no published sources) and base an entire article off of it? It's twice-removed from the original source and unconfirmed. Wow, just wow. (Not to mention they didn't thank SgtSpikety)

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May 10, 2012, 01:57:36 PM
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Well maybe they did confirm it (i.e. call the FBI office).  Then again journalistic standards aren't that high anymore.   Could be either one.
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May 10, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
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Well maybe they did confirm it (i.e. call the FBI office).  Then again journalistic standards aren't that high anymore.   Could be either one.

The trained response to inquiries on a classified or confidential document is "we can neither confirm, nor deny".

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May 10, 2012, 02:16:33 PM
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Well maybe they did confirm it (i.e. call the FBI office).  Then again journalistic standards aren't that high anymore.   Could be either one.

The trained response to inquiries on a classified or confidential document is "we can neither confirm, nor deny".

True unless the leak is intentional. Smiley
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