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October 02, 2014, 02:32:18 AM
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Sex trafficking is also rare
Childporn is extremely rare


http://thecoveringhouse.org/act/resources-2/sex-trafficking-statistics-source-documentation

This will be my only and last post to you, concerning those two "opinions" you've made concerning sex trafficking and childporn(which you were horribly wrong) with sex trafficking being a multi billion dollar industry and childporn being intertwined with sex trafficking(underage), I see that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about...

I also hope that anyone reading your post, (I'm glad I quoted it), will see that people like You are exactly why we should be glad those things are illegal. You obviously aren't very educated, seeing that you support drugs, when you should know that many illegal drugs are Highly Addicting. It's not a game you fool, snorting cocaine one time can make you become addicted, oh and "peaceful exchange of goods", do you know how many lives are lost in gang rivalries, or a simple drug deal gone wrong(which is very common)??

Learn before you type useless bullshit you uneducated idiot.


I live in a third world country and volunteer for a few organizations for women and help authorities investigate sex crimes and human trafficking.
The reality is that a lot of child prostitution is not child prostitution but teenager prostitution. It isn't Pedophilia but mostly ephebophilia, with a few cases of hebephilia.
Child prostitution or Pedophilia is very rare. Ephebophilia(most cases) is mostly caused by poor parenting , child molestation in the family, and "structural violence"
Teenagers aren't typically kidnapped and forced into becoming sex slaves but adopt that lifestyle from years of neglect.

If you think I am making my involvement in these non-profits up than we can place a few BTC with an arbitrator and I will prove to you my involvement. Come on,
put up or shut-up!

seeing that you support drugs, when you should know that many illegal drugs are Highly Addicting. It's not a game you fool, snorting cocaine one time can make you become addicted, oh and "peaceful exchange of goods", do you know how many lives are lost in gang rivalries, or a simple drug deal gone wrong(which is very common)??

I'm glad you quoted me as well because I never said I supported drugs, in fact i said the exact opposite and if you had any reading comprehension you would notice that:

I don't like drugs personally,

You are very unaware about the damage drug illegality causes to society. Drugs are indeed a problem, but is a medical and psychological problem that we must combat not a legal one.


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October 02, 2014, 02:41:10 AM
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Sex trafficking is also rare
Childporn is extremely rare


http://thecoveringhouse.org/act/resources-2/sex-trafficking-statistics-source-documentation

This will be my only and last post to you, concerning those two "opinions" you've made concerning sex trafficking and childporn(which you were horribly wrong) with sex trafficking being a multi billion dollar industry and childporn being intertwined with sex trafficking(underage), I see that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about...

I also hope that anyone reading your post, (I'm glad I quoted it), will see that people like You are exactly why we should be glad those things are illegal. You obviously aren't very educated, seeing that you support drugs, when you should know that many illegal drugs are Highly Addicting. It's not a game you fool, snorting cocaine one time can make you become addicted, oh and "peaceful exchange of goods", do you know how many lives are lost in gang rivalries, or a simple drug deal gone wrong(which is very common)??

Learn before you type useless bullshit you uneducated idiot.


I live in a third world country and volunteer for a few organizations for women and help authorities investigate sex crimes and human trafficking.
The reality is that a lot of child prostitution is not child prostitution but teenager prostitution. It isn't Pedophilia but mostly ephebophilia, with a few cases of hebephilia.
Child prostitution or Pedophilia is very rare. Ephebophilia is mostly caused by poor parenting , child molestation in the family, and "structural violence"

If you think I am making my involvement in these non-profits up than we can place a few BTC with an arbitrator and I will prove to you my involvement. Come on,
put up or shut-up!


1) Pedophilia is the most common paraphilia, it is not rare(not common either, it's uncommon).

2) "Child" is kind of an all encompassing word, it relates to to anyone under the legal age(18, or 16 depending on country)

3) Over 2million child molestation victims are living in the U.S right now.

Everything you've said has been wrong, except the part about you volunteering for this and that organization. Sex trafficking/molestation is a big deal, and it is Not Rare.

This is exactly why OpenBazaar(and others like it) should become illegal, unless they find a way to stop illegal trades taking place...


I broke my previous post's promise of it being the last post I made to you, but I can't stand to see idiots argue and try to think themselves right(You), when they're horribly wrong(You).
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October 02, 2014, 02:50:37 AM
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1) Pedophilia is the most common paraphilia, it is not rare(not common either, it's uncommon).

2) "Child" is kind of an all encompassing word, it relates to to anyone under the legal age(18, or 16 depending on country)

3) Over 2million child molestation victims are living in the U.S right now.

Everything you've said has been wrong, except the part about you volunteering for this and that organization. Sex trafficking/molestation is a big deal, and it is Not Rare.

Now you are just arguing semantics. Sign, signifier , signified.... yeah, I get it, you find the definition to fit your politics.

Wikipedia - Biologically, a child (plural: children) is generally a human between the stages of birth and puberty
AHDictionary - a. A person between birth and puberty.
OED - 1. a.B.I.1.a The unborn or newly born human being   2. a.B.I.2.a A young person of either sex below the age of puberty

But of course, I'm in the wrong for using the more common definition of child, right?


This is exactly why OpenBazaar(and others like it) should become illegal, unless they find a way to stop illegal trades taking place...

This is a pointless statement. What a government or state classifies OpenBazaar as is inconsequential. It cannot be shutdown, it cannot be prevented, it cannot be filtered.
You do realize they cannot simply raid a datacenter, arrest a maintainer,  or revoke a domain name right? This isn't the silk road.

OpenBazaar is a thing of beauty that is going to bring down prices, change laws, and bring higher quality products to the marketplace. Monopolies will no longer be able to hide behind the violence of the state so easily with this technology.


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October 02, 2014, 05:03:40 AM
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I agree with the overall point you're making. The only problem is finding a way to stop criminal activity on OpenBazaar. If it truly can't be taken down by "tradional means" like D Dosing, etc, then the only other options I see would be taking down the nodes, or w/e keeps it running,

Exactly, Investigators will actually have to commit real man power and conduct formal investigations thus making the costs of regulating drugs/piracy/gambling/guns much more expensive.

This is a great thing if you believe in personal freedom and that victimless crime laws are unjust and immoral. Otherwise, if you are a control freak, and you can't stand the fact that someone has the right to peacefully exchange good and services that you don't approve of than good luck trying to shut it down.

Here is something to ponder: Has wiki-leaks been stopped? Has torrenting been shutdown?

The beauty of this technology is statists political beliefs don't matter.... history is unfolding and you need to brace yourself for a much more liberated society and deal with the repercussions both positive and negative that come with such.
Wikileaks is very centralized and technically has not broken any laws.

The activity that will likely occur on open brazzar will be much more illegal then torrenting. There will be much more evidence of such illegal activity as well as actual physical addresses must be used to deliver goods.

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October 02, 2014, 05:17:54 AM
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Wikileaks is very centralized and technically has not broken any laws.

The activity that will likely occur on open brazzar will be much more illegal then torrenting. There will be much more evidence of such illegal activity as well as actual physical addresses must be used to deliver goods.

Whether or not wikileaks has broken laws is inconsequential. Do you believe states respect their own laws when it applies to themselves? Wikileaks repeatedly commits one of the most egrigious "sins" towards leaders and states: embarresses them, and this is why the US wants to extradite Julian Assange. While the Wikileaks site is not decentralized at the moment, their organization depends upon many decentralized technologies.

Yes, Police will still have to conduct investigations and users will have to be wary on vendors without reputations as they may be undercover agents just like with the silk road. The difference is there is no DPR and no server to find and shutdown the marketplace.

I want investigators the ability to catch "baddies" like child pedophiles and hired assassins. They can and will do so with good old fashion police work.

What will cost a lot of money in prevention is the peaceful exchange of services and property as they can only inefficiently sometimes catch the buyer and catching the vender is much more difficult. Additionally, there is no more "Asset forfeiture" with the vendors profits. The seizing of cash and assets is what incentivizes a lot of the unethical and harmful laws.

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October 02, 2014, 11:30:32 AM
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Overall, I believe it is hard to deny OpenBazaar is not a good thing for Bitcoin as a whole. Can it be used by bad actors? Absolutely! But bad actors have been acting badly forever. Whether or not OpenBazaar exists, they will continue on with their behavior. That should not inhibit everyone else who wants to simply buy or sell a legal good or service.

As a parent, a responsible citizen and an overall pretty normal guy, I am not thrilled about some of the transactions that will most likely take place on this platform. But that is the gift and the curse of these types of breakthroughs.
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October 02, 2014, 08:15:36 PM
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I think it will attract a lot of people who are wanting to deal in illegal drugs (and other, more dangerous illegal items) and become a marketplace for such. The difference here verses other illegal drug sites is that the bar for selling is much lower so it would be easy for law enforcement to conduct sting operations from people buying drugs on these sites

thats so stupid ... its like saying US dollar will attract drug dealers ... come on ... dont be a clown ... this is a VERY GOOD project

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