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We’ve had a huge increase in community participation since our 1.0 launch last month. Since OpenBazaar launched at the end of April this year, we’ve had over 700 issues opened and pull requests (new code) submitted. More than 400 of the 700 have come in the last month alone, from 40 different contributors. We also passed 600 stars on Github. You can check out more stats on our Github page


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October 01, 2014, 12:22:44 AM
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I think it will attract a lot of people who are wanting to deal in illegal drugs (and other, more dangerous illegal items) and become a marketplace for such. The difference here verses other illegal drug sites is that the bar for selling is much lower so it would be easy for law enforcement to conduct sting operations from people buying drugs on these sites
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October 01, 2014, 12:28:49 AM
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I think it will attract a lot of people who are wanting to deal in illegal drugs (and other, more dangerous illegal items) and become a marketplace for such. The difference here verses other illegal drug sites is that the bar for selling is much lower so it would be easy for law enforcement to conduct sting operations from people buying drugs on these sites

There is no signs of this yet. OpenBazaar developers made it clear it is meant for legitimate businesses and will be attractive because it has no fees. However they also said they can't control what will be done with it as it is also censorship free but they hope the code will be forked for illegitimate usages.

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October 01, 2014, 12:53:32 AM
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I think it will attract a lot of people who are wanting to deal in illegal drugs (and other, more dangerous illegal items) and become a marketplace for such. The difference here verses other illegal drug sites is that the bar for selling is much lower so it would be easy for law enforcement to conduct sting operations from people buying drugs on these sites

There is no signs of this yet. OpenBazaar developers made it clear it is meant for legitimate businesses and will be attractive because it has no fees. However they also said they can't control what will be done with it as it is also censorship free but they hope the code will be forked for illegitimate usages.

They do acknowledge that the market could be used to sell/buy illegal/disgusting things like childporn, sex trafficking, illegal drugs, and a # of other abominations since there can be no censorship?

If they acknowledge that and do nothing to at least outlaw those activities...Then I truly, sincerely hope OpenBazaar gets banned/becomes illegal to use.
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October 01, 2014, 01:03:10 AM
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guess  we can use OpenBazaar  to trade bitcoins instead of centralized exchanges 
 The rise of Decentralization economy is near  Cheesy
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October 01, 2014, 01:08:40 AM
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I think it will attract a lot of people who are wanting to deal in illegal drugs (and other, more dangerous illegal items) and become a marketplace for such. The difference here verses other illegal drug sites is that the bar for selling is much lower so it would be easy for law enforcement to conduct sting operations from people buying drugs on these sites

There is no signs of this yet. OpenBazaar developers made it clear it is meant for legitimate businesses and will be attractive because it has no fees. However they also said they can't control what will be done with it as it is also censorship free but they hope the code will be forked for illegitimate usages.

They do acknowledge that the market could be used to sell/buy illegal/disgusting things like childporn, sex trafficking, illegal drugs, and a # of other abominations since there can be no censorship?

If they acknowledge that and do nothing to at least outlaw those activities...Then I truly, sincerely hope OpenBazaar gets banned/becomes illegal to use.

Sure so the government should also ban bitcoin because it can be used by criminals right? What about the USD? We should also ban cars so criminals can't runaway.  Roll Eyes

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October 01, 2014, 01:16:16 AM
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They do acknowledge that the market could be used to sell/buy illegal/disgusting things like childporn, sex trafficking, illegal drugs, and a # of other abominations since there can be no censorship?

If they acknowledge that and do nothing to at least outlaw those activities...Then I truly, sincerely hope OpenBazaar gets banned/becomes illegal to use.

I understand where you're coming from.  I don't think anyone wants a site where "murder for hire" is allowed.  But its a double edged sword.  Freedom comes with bad actors.  Bad actors are still breaking laws, and are doing so at their own risk.  If they get caught, they go to jail, just like with any illegal activity.  We have to remember that the internet was the hub for pornographers and perverts in the beginning too.  For several years, nobody I knew had the internet, and the only shit I saw online was AOL Chat rooms dedicated to "Gay Dudes Fisting" and "Bears for Twinks" and "F my Wife, Please".  If you wanted to get laid easily in 1997, the internet was the place to do it.  You couldn't do much else there.   There was no Amazon.com until 1999.  Its a tough topic.  There are two valid viewpoints in both directions.  I suppose with the internet - nobody running it - nobody was responsible for illegal activities.  When you've got a centralized organization like Open Bazaar, there does seem to be a moral imperative.  Which they can choose to ignore if they like.

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October 01, 2014, 01:21:20 AM
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Just tried OB 2.0 .
Beta 2.0 is less buggy  than 1.0 on MAC . But the merchant is still loading slow . UDP p2p Port is not setup properly maybe  Roll Eyes
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October 01, 2014, 01:28:08 AM
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guess  we can use OpenBazaar  to trade bitcoins instead of centralized exchanges 
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This is what I'm most excited about.
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October 01, 2014, 01:43:55 AM
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loving the bazar idea

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October 01, 2014, 02:53:44 AM
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I think it will attract a lot of people who are wanting to deal in illegal drugs (and other, more dangerous illegal items) and become a marketplace for such. The difference here verses other illegal drug sites is that the bar for selling is much lower so it would be easy for law enforcement to conduct sting operations from people buying drugs on these sites

There is no signs of this yet. OpenBazaar developers made it clear it is meant for legitimate businesses and will be attractive because it has no fees. However they also said they can't control what will be done with it as it is also censorship free but they hope the code will be forked for illegitimate usages.

They do acknowledge that the market could be used to sell/buy illegal/disgusting things like childporn, sex trafficking, illegal drugs, and a # of other abominations since there can be no censorship?

If they acknowledge that and do nothing to at least outlaw those activities...Then I truly, sincerely hope OpenBazaar gets banned/becomes illegal to use.

Sure so the government should also ban bitcoin because it can be used by criminals right? What about the USD? We should also ban cars so criminals can't runaway.  Roll Eyes


Bitcoin can be used as a medium of exchange, just like cash, it's not an actual marketplace with listings and buyers and sellers. It's just a currency and its users can be tracked via a public ledger. However, from what I've heard of OpenBazaar, it is a marketplace that can not restrict or censore any items being sold, which makes it a breeding ground for illegal activity that can't be stopped by traditional means.

Only manpower(Agents pretending to be buyers/sellers), would be able to track down criminal(s)/criminal activity on OpenBazaar, and I'm sure if it gets big, federal police won't have such manpower.

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October 01, 2014, 03:00:51 AM
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They do acknowledge that the market could be used to sell/buy illegal/disgusting things like childporn, sex trafficking, illegal drugs, and a # of other abominations since there can be no censorship?

If they acknowledge that and do nothing to at least outlaw those activities...Then I truly, sincerely hope OpenBazaar gets banned/becomes illegal to use.

I understand where you're coming from.  I don't think anyone wants a site where "murder for hire" is allowed.  But its a double edged sword.  Freedom comes with bad actors.  Bad actors are still breaking laws, and are doing so at their own risk.  If they get caught, they go to jail, just like with any illegal activity.  We have to remember that the internet was the hub for pornographers and perverts in the beginning too.  For several years, nobody I knew had the internet, and the only shit I saw online was AOL Chat rooms dedicated to "Gay Dudes Fisting" and "Bears for Twinks" and "F my Wife, Please".  If you wanted to get laid easily in 1997, the internet was the place to do it.  You couldn't do much else there.   There was no Amazon.com until 1999.  Its a tough topic.  There are two valid viewpoints in both directions.  I suppose with the internet - nobody running it - nobody was responsible for illegal activities.  When you've got a centralized organization like Open Bazaar, there does seem to be a moral imperative.  Which they can choose to ignore if they like.

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I agree with the overall point you're making. The only problem is finding a way to stop criminal activity on OpenBazaar. If it truly can't be taken down by "tradional means" like D Dosing, etc, then the only other options I see would be taking down the nodes, or w/e keeps it running, or having the manpower to track down criminals.

Actually, you say it's centralized. Ah, I thought it was a decentralized marketplace, I'm out of my place. Sorry for the confusion if nothing I said applies here. Cheers
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October 01, 2014, 03:06:43 AM
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I think it will attract a lot of people who are wanting to deal in illegal drugs (and other, more dangerous illegal items) and become a marketplace for such. The difference here verses other illegal drug sites is that the bar for selling is much lower so it would be easy for law enforcement to conduct sting operations from people buying drugs on these sites

There is no signs of this yet. OpenBazaar developers made it clear it is meant for legitimate businesses and will be attractive because it has no fees. However they also said they can't control what will be done with it as it is also censorship free but they hope the code will be forked for illegitimate usages.

They do acknowledge that the market could be used to sell/buy illegal/disgusting things like childporn, sex trafficking, illegal drugs, and a # of other abominations since there can be no censorship?

If they acknowledge that and do nothing to at least outlaw those activities...Then I truly, sincerely hope OpenBazaar gets banned/becomes illegal to use.

Sure so the government should also ban bitcoin because it can be used by criminals right? What about the USD? We should also ban cars so criminals can't runaway.  Roll Eyes


That's a stupid argument. Bitcoin can be used as a medium of exchange, just like cash, it's not an actual marketplace with listings and buyers and sellers. It's just a currency and its users can be tracked via a public ledger. However, from what I've heard of OpenBazaar, it is a marketplace that can not restrict or censore any items being sold, which makes it a breeding ground for illegal activity that can't be stopped by traditional means.

Only manpower(Agents pretending to be buyers/sellers), would be able to track down criminal(s)/criminal activity on OpenBazaar, and I'm sure if it gets big, federal police won't have such manpower.


The same argument you make with bitcoin is applicable to openbazaar. Just like bitcoin is a free decentralized platform for money, openbazaar is a free decentralized platform for commerce. This is just the logical step further and no one should have the rights to censor global platforms. Should we also censor internet which is a free decentralized platform for communication? Should we censor YOU because of potential criminals?

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October 01, 2014, 03:08:20 AM
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They do acknowledge that the market could be used to sell/buy illegal/disgusting things like childporn, sex trafficking, illegal drugs, and a # of other abominations since there can be no censorship?

If they acknowledge that and do nothing to at least outlaw those activities...Then I truly, sincerely hope OpenBazaar gets banned/becomes illegal to use.

I understand where you're coming from.  I don't think anyone wants a site where "murder for hire" is allowed.  But its a double edged sword.  Freedom comes with bad actors.  Bad actors are still breaking laws, and are doing so at their own risk.  If they get caught, they go to jail, just like with any illegal activity.  We have to remember that the internet was the hub for pornographers and perverts in the beginning too.  For several years, nobody I knew had the internet, and the only shit I saw online was AOL Chat rooms dedicated to "Gay Dudes Fisting" and "Bears for Twinks" and "F my Wife, Please".  If you wanted to get laid easily in 1997, the internet was the place to do it.  You couldn't do much else there.   There was no Amazon.com until 1999.  Its a tough topic.  There are two valid viewpoints in both directions.  I suppose with the internet - nobody running it - nobody was responsible for illegal activities.  When you've got a centralized organization like Open Bazaar, there does seem to be a moral imperative.  Which they can choose to ignore if they like.

-B-

I agree with the overall point you're making. The only problem is finding a way to stop criminal activity on OpenBazaar. If it truly can't be taken down by "tradional means" like D Dosing, etc, then the only other options I see would be taking down the nodes, or w/e keeps it running, or having the manpower to track down criminals.

Actually, you say it's centralized. Ah, I thought it was a decentralized marketplace, I'm out of my place. Sorry for the confusion if nothing I said applies here. Cheers

OpenBazaar is decentralized.

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October 01, 2014, 03:25:26 AM
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They do acknowledge that the market could be used to sell/buy illegal/disgusting things like childporn, sex trafficking, illegal drugs, and a # of other abominations since there can be no censorship?

If they acknowledge that and do nothing to at least outlaw those activities...Then I truly, sincerely hope OpenBazaar gets banned/becomes illegal to use.

I understand where you're coming from.  I don't think anyone wants a site where "murder for hire" is allowed.  But its a double edged sword.  Freedom comes with bad actors.  Bad actors are still breaking laws, and are doing so at their own risk.  If they get caught, they go to jail, just like with any illegal activity.  We have to remember that the internet was the hub for pornographers and perverts in the beginning too.  For several years, nobody I knew had the internet, and the only shit I saw online was AOL Chat rooms dedicated to "Gay Dudes Fisting" and "Bears for Twinks" and "F my Wife, Please".  If you wanted to get laid easily in 1997, the internet was the place to do it.  You couldn't do much else there.   There was no Amazon.com until 1999.  Its a tough topic.  There are two valid viewpoints in both directions.  I suppose with the internet - nobody running it - nobody was responsible for illegal activities.  When you've got a centralized organization like Open Bazaar, there does seem to be a moral imperative.  Which they can choose to ignore if they like.

-B-

I agree with the overall point you're making. The only problem is finding a way to stop criminal activity on OpenBazaar. If it truly can't be taken down by "tradional means" like D Dosing, etc, then the only other options I see would be taking down the nodes, or w/e keeps it running, or having the manpower to track down criminals.

Actually, you say it's centralized. Ah, I thought it was a decentralized marketplace, I'm out of my place. Sorry for the confusion if nothing I said applies here. Cheers

OpenBazaar is decentralized.

Ok, then everything I've said applies here. lol.
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October 01, 2014, 03:29:36 AM
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They do acknowledge that the market could be used to sell/buy illegal/disgusting things like childporn, sex trafficking, illegal drugs, and a # of other abominations since there can be no censorship?

If they acknowledge that and do nothing to at least outlaw those activities...Then I truly, sincerely hope OpenBazaar gets banned/becomes illegal to use.

I understand where you're coming from.  I don't think anyone wants a site where "murder for hire" is allowed.  But its a double edged sword.  Freedom comes with bad actors.  Bad actors are still breaking laws, and are doing so at their own risk.  If they get caught, they go to jail, just like with any illegal activity.  We have to remember that the internet was the hub for pornographers and perverts in the beginning too.  For several years, nobody I knew had the internet, and the only shit I saw online was AOL Chat rooms dedicated to "Gay Dudes Fisting" and "Bears for Twinks" and "F my Wife, Please".  If you wanted to get laid easily in 1997, the internet was the place to do it.  You couldn't do much else there.   There was no Amazon.com until 1999.  Its a tough topic.  There are two valid viewpoints in both directions.  I suppose with the internet - nobody running it - nobody was responsible for illegal activities.  When you've got a centralized organization like Open Bazaar, there does seem to be a moral imperative.  Which they can choose to ignore if they like.

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I agree with the overall point you're making. The only problem is finding a way to stop criminal activity on OpenBazaar. If it truly can't be taken down by "tradional means" like D Dosing, etc, then the only other options I see would be taking down the nodes, or w/e keeps it running, or having the manpower to track down criminals.

Actually, you say it's centralized. Ah, I thought it was a decentralized marketplace, I'm out of my place. Sorry for the confusion if nothing I said applies here. Cheers

OpenBazaar is decentralized.

Ok, then everything I've said applies here. lol.

I think it's up the the Feds in each respective countries to do their jobs properly at stopping criminals while leaving the platform alone.

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October 01, 2014, 07:24:49 PM
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I agree with the overall point you're making. The only problem is finding a way to stop criminal activity on OpenBazaar. If it truly can't be taken down by "tradional means" like D Dosing, etc, then the only other options I see would be taking down the nodes, or w/e keeps it running,

Exactly, Investigators will actually have to commit real man power and conduct formal investigations thus making the costs of regulating drugs/piracy/gambling/guns much more expensive.

This is a great thing if you believe in personal freedom and that victimless crime laws are unjust and immoral. Otherwise, if you are a control freak, and you can't stand the fact that someone has the right to peacefully exchange good and services that you don't approve of than good luck trying to shut it down.

Here is something to ponder: Has wiki-leaks been stopped? Has torrenting been shutdown?

The beauty of this technology is statists political beliefs don't matter.... history is unfolding and you need to brace yourself for a much more liberated society and deal with the repercussions both positive and negative that come with such.

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I agree with the overall point you're making. The only problem is finding a way to stop criminal activity on OpenBazaar. If it truly can't be taken down by "tradional means" like D Dosing, etc, then the only other options I see would be taking down the nodes, or w/e keeps it running,

Exactly, Investigators will actually have to commit real man power and conduct formal investigations thus making the costs of regulating drugs/piracy/gambling/guns much more expensive.

This is a great thing if you believe in personal freedom and that victimless crime laws are unjust and immoral. Otherwise, if you are a control freak, and you can't stand the fact that someone has the right to peacefully exchange good and services that you don't approve of than good luck trying to shut it down.

Here is something to ponder: Has wiki-leaks been stopped? Has torrenting been shutdown?

The beauty of this technology is statists political beliefs don't matter.... history is unfolding and you need to brace yourself for a much more liberated society and deal with the repercussions both positive and negative that come with such.

...There's a limit on "Personal Freedom". As long as your freedom doesn't affect anyone negatively, then ok. But when things like childporn, sex trafficking, giving/selling people narcotics, comes into play, that's an abuse of "Personal Freedom". That's also exactly the reason why these things should be outlawed. What you're talking about isn't freedom, it's the destruction of other people's lives at the cost of your own temporary happiness. Which is exactly what drug dealers, child molesters, sex traffickers, and more do.
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...There's a limit on "Personal Freedom". As long as your freedom doesn't affect anyone negatively, then ok. But when things like childporn, sex trafficking, giving/selling people narcotics, comes into play, that's an abuse of "Personal Freedom". That's also exactly the reason why these things should be outlawed. What you're talking about isn't freedom, it's the destruction of other people's lives at the cost of your own temporary happiness. Which is exactly what drug dealers, child molesters, sex traffickers, and more do.

Think of the children!!! Ohhh, my! Nope, not going to fall for that old trick.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

You have been brainwashed into thinking that those "protections" and "regulations" will do much to prevent the crimes you speak of.

Childporn is extremely rare and can easily be investigated with sting operations with or without Bitcoin.

Sex trafficking is also rare but Bitcoin doesn't assist such behavior. Sex traffickers are already mob/gang related and have invested in legit businesses to launder their money within. Bitcoin isn't needed.

Giving and selling people narcotics should be completely legal . I don't like drugs personally, but fuck you and your war on drugs. You know how much damage you puritans have caused society by not allowing the peaceful exchange of goods to happen?

We heard all the same excuses about the internet in the early days. Us geeks were just a bunch of child pornographers , terrorists, and chester molesters .... lies, all lies.

Putting in a backdoor into a secure protocol can and is being abused by tyrants, dictators, and hackers all in the name of "think of the children!"
The data the NSA collects isn't just stored and used for terrorists. It is being used for illegal industrial espionage, to cover corrupt and illegal actions by government departments and officials, and gives intelligence to guide drones on missions of murder around the world.

Nope, we don't want a backdoor in Bitcoin, and if someone tries to slip one in we will start using another implementation like libbitcoin.

Your opinions and politics mean nothing, regardless. This is happening. Pandora's box has opened. It isn't going away and cannot be stopped.

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...There's a limit on "Personal Freedom". As long as your freedom doesn't affect anyone negatively, then ok. But when things like childporn, sex trafficking, giving/selling people narcotics, comes into play, that's an abuse of "Personal Freedom". That's also exactly the reason why these things should be outlawed. What you're talking about isn't freedom, it's the destruction of other people's lives at the cost of your own temporary happiness. Which is exactly what drug dealers, child molesters, sex traffickers, and more do.

Think of the children!!! Ohhh, my! Nope, not going to fall for that old trick.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

You have been brainwashed into thinking that those "protections" and "regulations" will do much to prevent the crimes you speak of.

Childporn is extremely rare and can easily be investigated with sting operations with or without Bitcoin.

Sex trafficking is also rare but Bitcoin doesn't assist such behavior. Sex traffickers are already mob/gang related and have invested in legit businesses to launder their money within. Bitcoin isn't needed.

Giving and selling people narcotics should be completely legal . I don't like drugs personally, but fuck you and your war on drugs. You know how much damage you puritans have caused society by not allowing the peaceful exchange of goods to happen?

We heard all the same excuses about the internet in the early days. Us geeks were just a bunch of child pornographers , terrorists, and chester molesters .... lies, all lies.

Putting in a backdoor into a secure protocol can and is being abused by tyrants, dictators, and hackers all in the name of "think of the children!"
The data the NSA collects isn't just stored and used for terrorists. It is being used for illegal industrial espionage, to cover corrupt and illegal actions by government departments and officials, and gives intelligence to guide drones on missions of murder around the world.

Nope, we don't want a backdoor in Bitcoin, and if someone tries to slip one in we will start using another implementation like libbitcoin.

Your opinions and politics mean nothing, regardless. This is happening. Pandora's box has opened. It isn't going away and cannot be stopped.


Sex trafficking is also rare
Childporn is extremely rare


http://thecoveringhouse.org/act/resources-2/sex-trafficking-statistics-source-documentation

This will be my only and last post to you, concerning those two "opinions" you've made concerning sex trafficking and childporn(which you were horribly wrong) with sex trafficking being a multi billion dollar industry and childporn being intertwined with sex trafficking(underage), I see that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about...

I also hope that anyone reading your post, (I'm glad I quoted it), will see that people like You are exactly why we should be glad those things are illegal. You obviously aren't very educated, seeing that you support drugs, when you should know that many illegal drugs are Highly Addicting. It's not a game you fool, snorting cocaine one time can make you become addicted, oh and "peaceful exchange of goods", do you know how many lives are lost in gang rivalries, or a simple drug deal gone wrong(which is very common)??

Learn before you type useless bullshit you fucking uneducated piece of donkey shit.
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