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October 04, 2014, 09:50:15 PM
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Read this http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2i7bfn/has_anybody_tried_simply_calling_the_lawyer_in/

No ETF ever. If you think they will add an ETF that follows shady exchanges (btc-e for gods sake!) you are a fool. Learn to deal with reality and not fantasy.

Yes, lawyers for multimillion dollar clients often divulge confidential information to redditors. But thanks for posting nonetheless.

Guess you didn't read it, it was confirmed by the moderator:

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Hi /u/notisis[1]  [+1],
While I'd love this world to be a place where we can blindly believe what people say on the internet, sadly, we don't live in that world. Please submit me some shred of proof and I'll reapprove this post (and remove this comment).
EDIT: I reached out to Kathleen Moriaty via email to confirm /u/notisis[2]  [+1] claim. Below is the email she sent to me in its entirety:
Dear Taylor,
I did speak with a Bitcoin investor about 15 minutes ago, although I was unaware that he intended to quote me or otherwise discuss our conversation. Your message is a useful reminder that I shouldn’t hazard any guesses. The SEC has warned me not to provide people with possible speculative information about the complicated process of launching a new securities product for public sale, so I have been saying either (1)“it could take quite a while, like a year” or (2)“there is really no way to tell, since the regulatory process is very complicated, especially with respect to a new asset like bitcoin.” From now on, I’ll just use statement (2), so if you want to quote me, just use that one. Thanks so much,
Kathleen


Yes, sorry that isn't confirmation it is a reddit post.

Oh dear. But like I added.. common sense? You think they will allow an ETF that follows shady exchanges? Really? If so please explain why on earth they would do that.

Please explain why on earth would you know more about the SEC policies and likelyhood of COIN's acceptance than the top ETF lawyer on Wall Street?

From the horses mouth : “If there weren’t any realistic uses, I wouldn’t be so happy about doing this”

The concept of common sense eludes you. I know nothing about SEC policies like most here, but I do have a mind that can think and add two and two together. That is really all it takes. The ETF would have to follow numbers that are unregulated and in one instance anonymous(btc-e). I'm sure they will be just fine with that.

Seems like the concept of common sense also eludes two millionaires, Kathleen Moriarty and law firm Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP. Indeed, in the face of such strong arguments I am not so sure as to why they judged it worthy of going forward with the ETF proposal  Huh Huh Huh

You should propose your "common sense" legal counsil to them. I'm certain they could use it  Wink

I give up, ETF will be approved and bitcoin will be going to $10k when it does. I'm sure it will happen before the end of the year and that this is all just a big hoax. Congratulations on being right. Now enjoy your future riches.

Thanks for ignoring entirely the main point of discussion and derailing the thread.
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October 05, 2014, 12:15:48 AM
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I thought all the trolls were saying the early adopters were dumping?
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October 05, 2014, 12:37:43 AM
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I thought all the trolls were saying the early adopters were dumping?

Another hero on the forum posted something about the Chinese buying fresh coins off mining farms there and transferring the bitcoins offshore to be sold on exchanges for dollars. That might explain why this bear market has lasted as long as it has against a backdrop of otherwise incredibly bullish news (and potential developments). Everyone is hoping bitcoin can become big in the remittance markets. Perhaps the Chinese are a few steps ahead and defeating capital controls with btc as we speak.

Thinking about it though, that would only account for a maximum of 3600 coins a day selling pressure on the exchanges. It is likely to be less than that as not all miners will sell. However this added sell pressure could  continue unabated until the next halving.

My gut tells me this the down trend in price is a combination of large speculator manipulation, technical small speculators trading the momentum (shorts at ATH for year, most small specs dumped already..though chatter loudly on here), increased mining supply on exchanges and a tiny amount of merchant selling. I am not sure the general public is adopting in a big way as the price is going the wrong way to attract attention.

I am not selling now, and will make one more purchase of 80 coins upwards depending upon how low the price drops this time round. My expectation is that we probably are in for more pain, flash crash downwards but turn upwards around 300, on massive volume, after some btfinex long capitulation, with shorts above ATH before they are burned very heavily by a surprisingly quick bounce back up into the 400-500 range. I expect the ETF to be announced at some stage that looking back will show it allowed insiders to accumulate at a very convenient low price.

Predictions are dangerous cypherdoc, but do you have any of your own?

 
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October 05, 2014, 12:56:06 AM
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I thought all the trolls were saying the early adopters were dumping?

A good thing to take from the chart is that while many Top 100 & 500 address sold off on the way down after the peak (looks like around March, Goxtime), they have steadily bought back in and resumed their uptrend in numbers held since
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October 05, 2014, 02:31:20 PM
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yep, this pullback just gives us an opportunity to load up Moar.
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October 05, 2014, 07:07:15 PM
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I thought all the trolls were saying the early adopters were dumping?

Another hero on the forum posted something about the Chinese buying fresh coins off mining farms there and transferring the bitcoins offshore to be sold on exchanges for dollars. That might explain why this bear market has lasted as long as it has against a backdrop of otherwise incredibly bullish news (and potential developments). Everyone is hoping bitcoin can become big in the remittance markets. Perhaps the Chinese are a few steps ahead and defeating capital controls with btc as we speak.

Thinking about it though, that would only account for a maximum of 3600 coins a day selling pressure on the exchanges. It is likely to be less than that as not all miners will sell. However this added sell pressure could  continue unabated until the next halving.

My gut tells me this the down trend in price is a combination of large speculator manipulation, technical small speculators trading the momentum (shorts at ATH for year, most small specs dumped already..though chatter loudly on here), increased mining supply on exchanges and a tiny amount of merchant selling. I am not sure the general public is adopting in a big way as the price is going the wrong way to attract attention.

I am not selling now, and will make one more purchase of 80 coins upwards depending upon how low the price drops this time round. My expectation is that we probably are in for more pain, flash crash downwards but turn upwards around 300, on massive volume, after some btfinex long capitulation, with shorts above ATH before they are burned very heavily by a surprisingly quick bounce back up into the 400-500 range. I expect the ETF to be announced at some stage that looking back will show it allowed insiders to accumulate at a very convenient low price.

Predictions are dangerous cypherdoc, but do you have any of your own?

 


Not looking too shabby. Went a bit lower than expected. Let's see if some buying volume turns up. Come on traders!
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October 05, 2014, 07:53:07 PM
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Read this http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2i7bfn/has_anybody_tried_simply_calling_the_lawyer_in/

No ETF ever. If you think they will add an ETF that follows shady exchanges (btc-e for gods sake!) you are a fool. Learn to deal with reality and not fantasy.

Yes, lawyers for multimillion dollar clients often divulge confidential information to redditors. But thanks for posting nonetheless.

Guess you didn't read it, it was confirmed by the moderator:

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Hi /u/notisis[1]  [+1],
While I'd love this world to be a place where we can blindly believe what people say on the internet, sadly, we don't live in that world. Please submit me some shred of proof and I'll reapprove this post (and remove this comment).
EDIT: I reached out to Kathleen Moriaty via email to confirm /u/notisis[2]  [+1] claim. Below is the email she sent to me in its entirety:
Dear Taylor,
I did speak with a Bitcoin investor about 15 minutes ago, although I was unaware that he intended to quote me or otherwise discuss our conversation. Your message is a useful reminder that I shouldn’t hazard any guesses. The SEC has warned me not to provide people with possible speculative information about the complicated process of launching a new securities product for public sale, so I have been saying either (1)“it could take quite a while, like a year” or (2)“there is really no way to tell, since the regulatory process is very complicated, especially with respect to a new asset like bitcoin.” From now on, I’ll just use statement (2), so if you want to quote me, just use that one. Thanks so much,
Kathleen


Yes, sorry that isn't confirmation it is a reddit post.

Oh dear. But like I added.. common sense? You think they will allow an ETF that follows shady exchanges? Really? If so please explain why on earth they would do that.

Please explain why on earth would you know more about the SEC policies and likelyhood of COIN's acceptance than the top ETF lawyer on Wall Street?

From the horses mouth : “If there weren’t any realistic uses, I wouldn’t be so happy about doing this”

The concept of common sense eludes you. I know nothing about SEC policies like most here, but I do have a mind that can think and add two and two together. That is really all it takes. The ETF would have to follow numbers that are unregulated and in one instance anonymous(btc-e). I'm sure they will be just fine with that.

Seems like the concept of common sense also eludes two millionaires, Kathleen Moriarty and law firm Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP. Indeed, in the face of such strong arguments I am not so sure as to why they judged it worthy of going forward with the ETF proposal  Huh Huh Huh

You should propose your "common sense" legal counsil to them. I'm certain they could use it  Wink

I give up, ETF will be approved and bitcoin will be going to $10k when it does. I'm sure it will happen before the end of the year and that this is all just a big hoax. Congratulations on being right. Now enjoy your future riches.

As I've said before, this place is basically a cult now, and ones who remain in the bitcoin bull camp have exercised their cognitive dissonance and will deny any piece of information that does not fit their world view. This is human nature, you can see religious fanatics do it all the time.

The saddest thing is, the ETF does not matter nearly as much as they think it does. Anyone who wants to buy bitcoin has already done it, nobody is sitting around on their hands wishing they could get in on this market which has fallen 70% in one year.
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October 05, 2014, 09:27:16 PM
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Anyone who wants to buy bitcoin has already done it, nobody is sitting around on their hands wishing they could get in on this market which has fallen 70% in one year.

Sell orders are still being filled. Also, I introduced it to a person who hadn't heard of it yet just yesterday, who has money to spend, and he was interested.
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October 05, 2014, 09:36:18 PM
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such poor understanding of the psychology behind trading.  as the price drops to lower and lower levels, more and more ppl become interested in buying at what they now consider to be reasonable prices.  as none of the positive fundamentals for Bitcoin have changed and the protocol remains secure, this dynamic is ensured.  we see precious tangible evidence of this in the great chart posted by inca of early adopter not selling, but instead buying.  it's the bears who are in denial and so so focused on the price as if it's the be all and end all for Bitcoin's future.

what a bunch of idiots.
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October 05, 2014, 09:44:14 PM
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none of the positive fundamentals for Bitcoin have changed
none of the negative fundamentals for Bitcoin have changed either

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they keep laughing, then they start choking on their laughter, and then they go and catch their breath. Then they start laughing even more.
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October 05, 2014, 10:06:12 PM
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none of the positive fundamentals for Bitcoin have changed
none of the negative fundamentals for Bitcoin have changed either

but they're tolerable and improving.  such is the nature of open source development.
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October 05, 2014, 11:43:17 PM
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none of the positive fundamentals for Bitcoin have changed
none of the negative fundamentals for Bitcoin have changed either

but they're tolerable and improving.  such is the nature of open source development.

You guys know nothing about fundamentals... We are talking about $2m that was being created per day by mining! Now that it moved to $1.4m per day you think its a good deal when this illiquid market isn't even bringing in half that per day. Half of our current level of 300 would be 150 & that still won't even stop this super fast downfall!

Welcome to the first long term BTC bear market, we are 10month in.
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October 06, 2014, 12:04:08 AM
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none of the positive fundamentals for Bitcoin have changed
none of the negative fundamentals for Bitcoin have changed either

but they're tolerable and improving.  such is the nature of open source development.

You guys know nothing about fundamentals... We are talking about $2m that was being created per day by mining! Now that it moved to $1.4m per day you think its a good deal when this illiquid market isn't even bringing in half that per day. Half of our current level of 300 would be 150 & that still won't even stop this super fast downfall!

Welcome to the first long term BTC bear market, we are 10month in.

yeah, newbie for 2 wks knows more about Bitcoin fundamentals than those of us who've been around for almost 4 yrs.
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October 06, 2014, 05:17:14 AM
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If this were really a mass exodus and the death of bitcoin then it would probably look very different. Moving the price with such a thin market is trivial. I wouldn't be surprised if something big is announced in the next few days or weeks. Something where we all go, aaaaaah, like the ETF. Or bitcoin could plummet into the center of the earth Smiley



Read this http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2i7bfn/has_anybody_tried_simply_calling_the_lawyer_in/

No ETF ever. If you think they will add an ETF that follows shady exchanges (btc-e for gods sake!) you are a fool. Learn to deal with reality and not fantasy.

Did you even read the comments?

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October 06, 2014, 06:15:07 AM
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none of the positive fundamentals for Bitcoin have changed
none of the negative fundamentals for Bitcoin have changed either

but they're tolerable and improving.  such is the nature of open source development.

You guys know nothing about fundamentals... We are talking about $2m that was being created per day by mining! Now that it moved to $1.4m per day you think its a good deal when this illiquid market isn't even bringing in half that per day. Half of our current level of 300 would be 150 & that still won't even stop this super fast downfall!

Welcome to the first long term BTC bear market, we are 10month in.

yeah, newbie for 2 wks knows more about Bitcoin fundamentals than those of us who've been around for almost 4 yrs.

Been around longer than you bro, nice try!
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October 06, 2014, 07:04:36 AM
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I don't have sex very often.

Girls make me nervous.

Instead of working on my social phobia, I get on forums and try to bully those that would laugh if they saw me in real life.


Fixed that, for you.

This and your other post to this gentleman asking him to find a girlfriend... you seem to judge your self worth by engagement with womens? It's so random.
Why so insecure?
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October 06, 2014, 07:56:30 AM
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I don't have sex very often.

Girls make me nervous.

Instead of working on my social phobia, I get on forums and try to bully those that would laugh if they saw me in real life.


Fixed that, for you.

This and your other post to this gentleman asking him to find a girlfriend... you seem to judge your self worth by engagement with womens? It's so random.

But to be honest, i'm a 22 year old virgin who lives with my parents and I still wet my bed every night. It doesn't help that i'm also wet behind the ears so i'm actually a walking puddle of failure that gets a rise out of posting false information on forums.


Fixed this one for you too.
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