lefties righties

[MineForeman.com]

Not everybody is a selfish or bitter asshole like you

Nice rebuttal.

[MineForeman.com]

Roads?

They only cost 17 trillion dollars and are one of the most dangerous places you could find yourself.

I really hope you aren't serious.

Well... I dont live in the US and the roads here arent bad.

But, yeah, I am serious.  Are you serious that you would be better off without them?  How will you get around?  Pogo sticks?

No... I was asking if you were serious that you believe that the only way roads get built are by authoritarians.

Who then?  Big business or people with picks an shovels.

[Lethn]

http://opensourceecology.org/

http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs/gvcs-machine-index/#prettyPhoto

This guy just so happens to be posting open source blueprints for machines that can be built with nothing more than a welder and scrap metal.

Oh and I almost forgot about this:

http://dornob.com/just-add-water-concrete-buildings-built-with-air-h2o/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv3SII568v0

[MineForeman.com]

Sure you don't need them to do it but if you seriously believe that the people will go out with picks and shovels and build them you're deluded.

Indeed, that would be delusional.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_equipment#Types

So, the big business option for you then?

[MineForeman.com]

http://opensourceecology.org/

http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs/gvcs-machine-index/#prettyPhoto

This guy just so happens to be posting open source blueprints for machines that can be built with nothing more than a welder and scrap metal.

Oh and I almost forgot about this:

http://dornob.com/just-add-water-concrete-buildings-built-with-air-h2o/

Not getting your point, they are technologies and ideals, they are not going to build roads for you.

[Lethn]

*facepalm*

Okay, first the machines make it possible to build machines needed for modern civilisation that can build stuff without a huge amount of cost and relying on a government, the technology of the concrete cloth means in theory you could build a road just by laying it out and spraying water on the thing depending on how it was applied.

[MineForeman.com]

theory you could build a road just by laying it out and spraying water on the thing depending on how it was applied.

Where would you build that road?  Through whose farm?  Who will pay for it?

[MineForeman.com]

There is nothing wrong with business. Businesses can only grow so big when the market is free and competition can flourish. It only gets messy when business and government combine to form corporatism, effectively outlawing competition in the marketplace.

I get it, I really do.  Your government is fucked, so are your big business.

Why not fix it instead of going back to feudal times.  That was a horrible point in history, let's not go there again.

[Lethn]

theory you could build a road just by laying it out and spraying water on the thing depending on how it was applied.

Where would you build that road?  Through whose farm?  Who will pay for it?

Do I really have to go through something that blatantly obvious or are you that unimaginative and stupid?

. Negotiate with farmer

. Pool money or get people to donate materials/mine it themselves

[MineForeman.com]

Do I really have to go through something that blatantly obvious or are you that unimaginative and stupid?

. Negotiate with farmer

. Pool money or get people to donate materials/mine it themselves

Don't you learn from history, perhaps I am not the stupid one.

It has been tried, it does not work.  Those times froze human progress for close to 600 years.

[Lethn]

....... -_-

Post some examples, but I bet you're going to inevitably end up with something that had some kind of cruel Authoritarian regime that you love so much keeping everybody in the dark ages and just don't acknowledge that they did it.

[MineForeman.com]

I am fixing it.

Good, so am I.  Careful you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!

[MineForeman.com]

....... -_-

Post some examples, but I bet you're going to inevitably end up with something that had some kind of cruel Authoritarian regime that you love so much keeping everybody in the dark ages and just don't acknowledge that they did it.

Your a dumbass but OK, here is a start, fix your government by taking away their ability to manipulate your currency;-

https://bitcoin.org/

[Lethn]

LOL! I asked you to post some historical examples and you call me a dumbass? Genius way to avoid the question I wasn't talking about currencies either.

[MineForeman.com]

LOL! I asked you to post some historical examples and you call me a dumbass? Genius way to avoid the question I wasn't talking about currencies either.

You lost me sorry, your argument is getting fragmented and I suspect I need to be inside your head to understand it.

You want historical examples of what?

[Lethn]

It has been tried, it does not work.  Those times froze human progress for close to 600 years.

You said it has been tried and it froze human progress, surely you have actual examples of what you claim?

[Mike Christ]

I'm not saying you should never argue, but when you argue with a guy who thinks Hitler and Free Market are analogous...

[MineForeman.com]

It has been tried, it does not work.  Those times froze human progress for close to 600 years.

You said it has been tried and it froze human progress, surely you have actual examples of what you claim?

I get you now, you should have quoted that bit .

Around about the 8-9th century governments broke down and everyone had to fend for themselves and their neighbors, a system call feudalism;-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism

It lead to what we call the Dark Ages that in many ways everything went backwards (science, literature, all the good stuff);-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)

It ended somewhere in the 14th to 15th century in a period called "The Renaissance" when the city states expanded back into  countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Renaissance

I am surprised you dont know this stuff.

[MineForeman.com]

Hitler and Free Market are analogous...

Never heard of hyperbole?

[MineForeman.com]

even assuming that society had to "break down" in the first place (which it most certainly does not, it can simply evolve).

Society did not break down, the government did.  It is a direct historical case of what was asked for, and I only quoted one example.  Many cultures have gone through the exact same thing with the exact same results, click on the links, read about them.

As to if it would happen again the tenth or whatever time around, who knows, but the odds are good.