Unarmed teen shot by cops for a sandwich

[awesome31312]

An off-duty St. Louis police officer fatally shot 18-year-old Vonderrick Myers Jr. 12 miles from Ferguson late Wednesday evening. Multiple witnesses report Myers was unarmed and holding a sandwich when the officer shot him 16 times.

White off-duty St Louis police officer shoots dead black teenager - The Guardian

[TECSHARE]

This isn't going to be pretty.

[ObscureBean]

Maybe the kid had the curse of the undead and kept coming back to life? 17 rounds to take down an 18 year old is mind boggling. I don't doubt that there are tons of real-life scenarios that could explain this but still.

Seriously though, after reading the article, it seems to me that he was not actually shot 16 times. 17 shots were fired, I'm guessing most of those didn't hit the target. The whole thing is still shady though.

[BCEmporium]

A sandwich that fired 3 rounds?!
What do those guys feed in? Lead?

[RodeoX]

A sandwich that fired 3 rounds?!
What do those guys feed in? Lead?

Yeah, that does seem relevant here.
The only people saying it was a sandwich are his family. If he did shoot, a sandwich is not going to explain away the powder residue on his hands, the spent casings, the spent rounds, or the matching gun next to his body. The title is ludicrous. Honestly, what do you think happened? "Hey sarge, look a kid with a sandwich! Bang Bang!"

...Multiple witnesses report Myers was unarmed and holding a sandwich when the officer shot him 16 times.

Where is that from? I see no reference to any witnesses.

[awesome31312]

A sandwich that fired 3 rounds?!
What do those guys feed in? Lead?

Yeah, that does seem relevant here.
The only people saying it was a sandwich are his family. If he did shoot, a sandwich is not going to explain away the powder residue on his hands, the spent casings, the spent rounds, or the matching gun next to his body. The title is ludicrous. Honestly, what do you think happened? "Hey sarge, look a kid with a sandwich! Bang Bang!"

...Multiple witnesses report Myers was unarmed and holding a sandwich when the officer shot him 16 times.

Where is that from? I see no reference to any witnesses.

Source is US Uncut

[panju1]

17 rounds?
Isn't that excessive?

[Foxpup]

Anyone who thinks 17 rounds is excessive has clearly been watching too many movies and has no idea of how gunfighting actually works in reality. In a gunfight, you keep shooting until your opponent is dead or unconscious, or they drop their weapon, surrender, or escape, or you run out of ammo. The latter outcome is one of the most common, as people usually do not instantly drop dead when shot. A single gunshot wound is rarely fatal, and even a fatal wound rarely kills quickly. It almost always takes multiple shots to quickly incapacitate someone, often a surprisingly large number to someone who's never seen an actual gunfight. This is one of the main reasons the police switched from revolvers to semiautomatics: revolvers may be simpler to use, but the people who say "6 shots is enough to kill anything" just plain don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

[awesome31312]

Anyone who thinks 17 rounds is excessive has clearly been watching too many movies and has no idea of how gunfighting actually works in reality. In a gunfight, you keep shooting until your opponent is dead or unconscious, or they drop their weapon, surrender, or escape, or you run out of ammo. The latter outcome is one of the most common, as people usually do not instantly drop dead when shot. A single gunshot wound is rarely fatal, and even a fatal wound rarely kills quickly. It almost always takes multiple shots to quickly incapacitate someone, often a surprisingly large number to someone who's never seen an actual gunfight. This is one of the main reasons the police switched from revolvers to semiautomatics: revolvers may be simpler to use, but the people who say "6 shots is enough to kill anything" just plain don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

I can tell you're a cop, because I've heard testimonies from ex-cops in America that they were trained to shoot until they were empty.

The Daily Mail (UK) - Schizophrenic man shot by cops 80 times until he 'had no face'

[BCwinning]

Anyone who thinks 17 rounds is excessive has clearly been watching too many movies and has no idea of how gunfighting actually works in reality. In a gunfight, you keep shooting until your opponent is dead or unconscious, or they drop their weapon, surrender, or escape, or you run out of ammo. The latter outcome is one of the most common, as people usually do not instantly drop dead when shot. A single gunshot wound is rarely fatal, and even a fatal wound rarely kills quickly. It almost always takes multiple shots to quickly incapacitate someone, often a surprisingly large number to someone who's never seen an actual gunfight. This is one of the main reasons the police switched from revolvers to semiautomatics: revolvers may be simpler to use, but the people who say "6 shots is enough to kill anything" just plain don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

I can tell you're a cop, because I've heard testimonies from ex-cops in America that they were trained to shoot until they were empty.

The Daily Mail (UK) - Schizophrenic man shot by cops 80 times until he 'had no face'

no surprise, since it requires thinking to know how many bullets are left in your clip.

[Foxpup]

I'm not a cop, just someone with more experience with firearms than just watching movies and playing video games.

[Kluge]

17 rounds?
Isn't that excessive?

An average of ~15% of fired bullets from a police officer in a gun fight (from NYPD) hits, deviating no more than 10% (nominal) from that either way from 1990-2000.

One hit from 17 rounds fired'd be >5%, 2 being ~12%. Assuming the guy wasn't standing still ten feet in front of them and was exceptionally fat - pretty reasonable. Incidentally, if you round the tenths up, the average rounds fired in a gunfight, on average, by officers in the year 2000 is 17. http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS.pdf fwiw

[Vod]

Multiple witnesses report Myers was unarmed and holding a sandwich when the officer shot him 16 times.

I'd like to see the source of this...

[GreenBits]

17 rounds?
Isn't that excessive?

An average of ~15% of fired bullets from a police officer in a gun fight (from NYPD) hits, deviating no more than 10% (nominal) from that either way from 1990-2000.

One hit from 17 rounds fired'd be >5%, 2 being ~12%. Assuming the guy wasn't standing still ten feet in front of them and was exceptionally fat - pretty reasonable. Incidentally, if you round the tenths up, the average rounds fired in a gunfight, on average, by officers in the year 2000 is 17. http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS.pdf fwiw

And these guys are trained marksmen? Professionals even? I thought they had to pass tests in order to participate, as well as demonstrate continuing competence over the course of employment.

It will be vindicating, but sad when everyone realizes this isn't a race issue at all. This is a class issue. You may fare a little worse statistically if you are a minority, but as events like this become increasingly more common, one can't help but wonder if it's safe for any citizen that comes in proximity of the police. And despite the increased media coverage as of late, the frequency of events like this has increased, as well as the severity of the incidents. I have seen clips of various flavors of police brutality perpetrated against the young, old, blacks, whites and the mentally infirm. Apparently anybody can get it, over here. Doesn't seem like there is much incentive not to bust a cap in someone's ass. It's SOP, so you're covered, and hell, he could have a gun. Why take a chance?  

You rarely see this type of police behavior perpetrated on the very wealthy, however. It's probably just a coincidence.

[BCEmporium]

@OT,

Why is the title "unarmed teen" if the teen shot at the cop?!

Or is this the receipt for his "sandwich":

2 pieces of metal "gun shape" for bread
6 slices of full metal jacket
1 trigger
?

[Foxpup]

And these guys are trained marksmen? Professionals even? I thought they had to pass tests in order to participate, as well as demonstrate continuing competence over the course of employment.

First of all, no, police don't normally receive much training in marksmanship, and very few are actually professional shooters. Secondly, and more importantly, the targets at the shooting range don't shoot back. That does make a bit of a difference.

It will be vindicating, but sad when everyone realizes this isn't a race issue at all. This is a class issue. You may fare a little worse statistically if you are a minority, but as events like this become increasingly more common, one can't help but wonder if it's safe for any citizen that comes in proximity of the police.

Um, no. It's not safe for any citizen that comes in proximity of the police to pull out a gun and start firing in their direction. So don't do that.

[TaunSew]

Is this America's Arab Spring?  Is this where it all ends?!   

[Beans]

[GreenBits]

Um, no. It's not safe for any citizen that comes in proximity of the police to pull out a gun and start firing in their direction. So don't do that.

You are right.

Apparently, you don't always need a gun though. Or to be able to hold one, for that matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Aiyana_Jones

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/swat-throws-grenade-in-playpen/

http://www.dmlp.org/threats/arizona-v-pataky

http://deafnn.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/deaf-man-shot-with-beanbags-at-traffic-stop-sues-modesto-police-the-modesto-bee/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_and_the_Occupy_movement

And my favorite, because I had only moved away from Charlotte about a month before this occurred,

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/officer-who-shot-young-black-man-after-he-was-in-car-acciden#2haaky6

All ages, all walks of life.

You can put your head in the sand, but that only makes your ass an easier target.

[awesome31312]

Um, no. It's not safe for any citizen that comes in proximity of the police to pull out a gun and start firing in their direction. So don't do that.

You are right.

Apparently, you don't always need a gun though. Or to be able to hold one, for that matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Aiyana_Jones

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/swat-throws-grenade-in-playpen/

http://www.dmlp.org/threats/arizona-v-pataky

http://deafnn.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/deaf-man-shot-with-beanbags-at-traffic-stop-sues-modesto-police-the-modesto-bee/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_and_the_Occupy_movement

And my favorite, because I had only moved away from Charlotte about a month before this occurred,

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/officer-who-shot-young-black-man-after-he-was-in-car-acciden#2haaky6

All ages, all walks of life.

You can put your head in the sand, but that only makes your ass an easier target.

Don't cite sources you traitor. Muh Murka is perfect. If you don't like it go back to SoMUHlia!!

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