Politics, statism, anarchism, racism; split from: Wall Observer thread

[Ibian]

Every large scale modern day problem can be traced back to one thing: Weakness. In this case, big gov vs small gov, the big gov proponents are the ones who don't think they would do well in a more competitive world. Those are the weak. And because they make up the majority of voters, this is the world we live in.

The root of the impending downfall of the west is democracy. It causes bigger and ever-growing governments which always, eventually, leads to socialism/communism.

[Mervyn_Pumpkinhead]

Most of the people, who are against the government in general, are the ones who actually spend less then 5 minutes a year, on who to elect to lead the government. These people are lazy and without any sense of responsibility, and they want the government to work great, without them having to contribute any work themselves.

People get the government that they deserve - so immature and irresponsible people get the same kind of an government. When people elect those, who scream louder with the help of their campaign budgets, then it's no surprise that the government gets leaders of low quality.

[Ibian]

Most of the people, who are against the government in general, are the ones who actually spend less then 5 minutes a year, on who to elect to lead the government. These people are lazy and without any sense of responsibility, and they want the government to work great, without them having to contribute any work themselves.

People get the government that they deserve - so immature and irresponsible people get the same kind of an government. When people elect those, who scream louder with the help of their campaign budgets, then it's no surprise that the government gets leaders of low quality.

Other way around. People who spend no time on politics merely bitch about the state of things - and vote for whoever has the prettiest smile and promises the most handouts during commercial breaks. It takes active interest to be opposed to big government.

[octaft]

Every large scale modern day problem can be traced back to one thing: Weakness. In this case, big gov vs small gov, the big gov proponents are the ones who don't think they would do well in a more competitive world. Those are the weak. And because they make up the majority of voters, this is the world we live in.

The root of the impending downfall of the west is democracy. It causes bigger and ever-growing governments which always, eventually, leads to socialism/communism.

This is not about big government vs. small government, is it? If it is, someone should let me know, because I'm pretty sure this is about government vs no government.

[MrPiggles]

It's one thing to say "I believe in smaller government, or more localized government." It's quite another to say "fuck government and who needs roads!"

Indeed.

I think if most anarchists ever got the government they dreamed of they'd be penniless, starving or dead after the local band of marauders came through.

[findftp]

It's one thing to say "I believe in smaller government, or more localized government." It's quite another to say "fuck government and who needs roads!"

Indeed.

I think if most anarchists ever got the government they dreamed of they'd be penniless, starving or dead after the local band of marauders came through.

That's called survival of the fittest, not necessarily a bad thing imho.

[marcus_of_augustus]

In the taxed world of government, it's join or die (read: pay taxes or get arrested), too, I understand that. But at least in this instance, my toilet flushes when I take a shit in it, and I don't have to steal my food. That alone is worth the tax fee to me.

Did you pay for the panopticon surveillance dragnet  that logs in the national database that you probably just took a shit because it records your flushing habits and timings of when your oven switches on? Is it worth your taxes to have armies of psychologists making shit up to feed to mainstream news teams to create widespread confusion and fear when an administrative pollster measures favour for the latest military action flagging?

"Join or die taxation" just gets a whole lot more sinister when you realise you're pulling the yoke for a gigantic killing and enslavement machine and there's nothing you can do about it except fucking pull harder and hope like hell it is someone else that is gonna get killed by the machine.

Most of the pro State comments make out like the State is benevolent, all current evidence to the contrary. We're not talking anymore about big versus small govt., it is a big, facist, malignant, growing out of control  beast of a system you are supporting.

[octaft]

It's one thing to say "I believe in smaller government, or more localized government." It's quite another to say "fuck government and who needs roads!"

Indeed.

I think if most anarchists ever got the government they dreamed of they'd be penniless, starving or dead after the local band of marauders came through.

That's called survival of the fittest, not necessarily a bad thing imho.

So it's not a bad thing if 30 people decide to group together to bash you over the head and take your stuff?

[MrPiggles]

It's one thing to say "I believe in smaller government, or more localized government." It's quite another to say "fuck government and who needs roads!"

Indeed.

I think if most anarchists ever got the government they dreamed of they'd be penniless, starving or dead after the local band of marauders came through.

That's called survival of the fittest, not necessarily a bad thing imho.

lol no it's called gangs of people roaming, raping, robbing and killing. It's the most ruthless and heavily armed people winning, nothing to do with fitness.

[Ibian]

The world will not, and did not before its time, descend into chaos without a huge police state to watch over us all. When gangs of marauders roam the earth, people will defend themselves in equal measure. There has always been crime and always will be, its nature merely shifts depending on local circumstances.

Again, this is solely based on weakness, in this case fear and physical inability.

[findftp]

It's one thing to say "I believe in smaller government, or more localized government." It's quite another to say "fuck government and who needs roads!"

Indeed.
I think if most anarchists ever got the government they dreamed of they'd be penniless, starving or dead after the local band of marauders came through.

That's called survival of the fittest, not necessarily a bad thing imho.

So it's not a bad thing if 30 people decide to group together to bash you over the head and take your stuff?

It always sucks to be the victim, make sure you're on the winning side.

[findftp]

It's the most ruthless and heavily armed smartest people winning

What's your reason for being involved in bitcoin?

[MrPiggles]

It's the most ruthless and heavily armed smartest people winning

What's your reason for being involved in bitcoin?

How old are you? Have you ever been in a war zone?

[octaft]

The world will not, and did not before its time, descend into chaos without a huge police state to watch over us all. When gangs of marauders roam the earth, people will defend themselves in equal measure. There has always been crime and always will be, its nature merely shifts depending on local circumstances.

Again, this is solely based on weakness, in this case fear and physical inability.

Please explain how you will defend yourself in "equal measure."

That's called survival of the fittest, not necessarily a bad thing imho.

So it's not a bad thing if 30 people decide to group together to bash you over the head and take your stuff?

It always sucks to be the victim, make sure you're on the winning side.

Thanks for making my case about having no faith in humanity.

[MrPiggles]

The world will not, and did not before its time, descend into chaos without a huge police state to watch over us all. When gangs of marauders roam the earth, people will defend themselves in equal measure. There has always been crime and always will be, its nature merely shifts depending on local circumstances.

Again, this is solely based on weakness, in this case fear and physical inability.

Yeah, like when IS marched through Iraq and Syria, slaughtering, raping, robbing and what not. The people fought back equally and the whole Islamic State thing never happened, right?

[MrPiggles]

It always sucks to be the victim, make sure you're on the winning side.

Thanks for making my case about having no faith in humanity.

Yeah this kids officially a dumbass.

[MrPiggles]

Do any of you statists even know what anarchy is? You all seem to be using the late 20th century propagandised definition for some reason.

Anarchy: absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

[findftp]

It's the most ruthless and heavily armed smartest people winning

What's your reason for being involved in bitcoin?

How old are you? Have you ever been in a war zone?

Did the government ever saved you from dying in a war zone?
Did you know it's almost always governments who decide to go to war?

[ElectricMucus]

It's the most ruthless and heavily armed smartest people winning

What's your reason for being involved in bitcoin?

How old are you? Have you ever been in a war zone?

Did the government ever saved you from dying in a war zone?
Did you know it's almost always governments who decide to go to war?

Don't bring a gun to a drone fight.

[MrPiggles]

It's the most ruthless and heavily armed smartest people winning

What's your reason for being involved in bitcoin?

How old are you? Have you ever been in a war zone?

Did the government ever saved you from dying in a war zone?
Did you know it's almost always governments who decide to go to war?

I asked my questions because it was apparent from your answer that you have no real experience of life outside of your cushy existence, whereever that may be.

I'll answer your questions

1) I'm involved with bitcoin because it's convenient for my business to accept it
2) Yes
3) Yes

How about you answer my questions?