Politics, statism, anarchism, racism; split from: Wall Observer thread

[NotLambchop]

How people have patience for all that discussion?

Even in the pay per post epoch that would be beyond my patience

My Beneficent Reptilian Overlords pay me in hedons.  I'm hooked

[KFR]

How is it that the richest continent on the planet in terms of resources (Africa) has the poorest citizens?

<ignorant racist vitriol removed>

It's 2014.  There is no place on this Earth for those opinions.  They are utterly, utterly wrong and deeply offensive to every human being with a brain, a conscience and half an education.  Please leave the Internet.  You're not welcome here.

[NotLambchop]

...
I actually see more QE as a good thing.  Where do you think all those whale investor dollars came from and into bitcoin in 2013?  

The dollars came from n00bs like you--not wales, but them pennies added up.  Sadly, the supply of greater fools has finally run dry, hence the 2/3 price drop

Negative.  Million dollar bitcoin pumps did not happen by n00bs.  It attracted the masses, yes, but were no initiated by them.

The U.S. stock market was being pumped precisely at the same time (Mar/April 2013, Oct/Nov 2013) as the bitcoin market... see the correlation?

Never stop thinking that!

  ~Your reptilian friend.

[justusranvier]

There is no place on this Earth for those opinions.  They are utterly, utterly wrong and deeply offensive to every human being with a brain, a conscience and half an education.  Please leave the Internet.  You're not welcome here.

I didn't think it was possible, but I actually I find this post more offensive than the one to which you were responding.

[Richy_T]

The world will not, and did not before its time, descend into chaos without a huge police state to watch over us all. When gangs of marauders roam the earth, people will defend themselves in equal measure. There has always been crime and always will be, its nature merely shifts depending on local circumstances.

Again, this is solely based on weakness, in this case fear and physical inability.

Yeah, like when IS marched through Iraq and Syria, slaughtering, raping, robbing and what not. The people fought back equally and the whole Islamic State thing never happened, right?

With items obtained from a government, as provided by an even bigger government. Gotcha.

[NotLambchop]

...As long as I can still use bitcoins for what I want. I stopped caring what other people do long ago. I am moving forward, toward freedom.

[NotLambchop]

The world will not, and did not before its time, descend into chaos without a huge police state to watch over us all. When gangs of marauders roam the earth, people will defend themselves in equal measure. There has always been crime and always will be, its nature merely shifts depending on local circumstances.

Again, this is solely based on weakness, in this case fear and physical inability.

Yeah, like when IS marched through Iraq and Syria, slaughtering, raping, robbing and what not. The people fought back equally and the whole Islamic State thing never happened, right?

With items obtained from a government, as provided by an even bigger government. Gotcha.

No one said that the governments are intrinsically good.  Simply that you are weak, disorganized, and wholly incapable of putting up meaningful resistance.

[KFR]

There is no place on this Earth for those opinions.  They are utterly, utterly wrong and deeply offensive to every human being with a brain, a conscience and half an education.  Please leave the Internet.  You're not welcome here.

I didn't think it was possible, but I actually I find this post more offensive than the one to which you were responding.

Well that's just weird. 

I guess we're both allowed to be offended.

For one thing, free speech is awfully overrated.  Free speech is powerful.  As we know from the holy book of Spiderman, with great power comes great responsibility.  The cave dweller to whom I was originally responding would not understand this.

[ErisDiscordia]

But if such social systems were indeed more resilient, we would have Anarchist societies?

Good point. I don't have an answer to that, let's see what Discordian catma has to say about this:

The Five Stages of Chaos are five stages that every ordered society passes through (the reason for this may be that Ordered Societies are actually an abberation, and everything is brought back from Order into Chaos). The first three of these stages can be compared to the Hegelian principle of Thesis + Antithesis = Synthesis. The last two are the effects of which Hegel neglected to mention, namely Parenthesis (also called Bureaucracy) and Paralysis, sometimes called Aftermath (basically a resurgence of Chaos after bureaucracy collapses in a heap of paperwork).
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The Five Stages

Verwirrung (Chaos)

The first stage of the five stages is called Verwirrung or Chaos. It is the point from which everything begins and the source to which everything returns.

Chaos, then is life and death. The goddess Eris would suggest that you consult your pineal gland.

Zweitracht (Discord)

The second stage of the five stages is called Zweitracht, and begins with the appearance of a ruling or governing class. This Order is the Antithesis of chaos, of course, and leads directly into discord once the servile class realizes that the ruling class does not hold their interest at heart.

This correlates with all male, monotheistic dieties, like Jehovah and the like, especially correlating with the symbol of the All-Seeing Eye. Naturally, a Zweitracht era is always replete with "internal contradictions" and someone (like Karl Marx) always arises to point them out.

Unordnung (Confusion)

The third stage of the five stages is called Unordnung or Confusion, and occurs when an attempt is made to restore balance or arrive at the Hegelian Synthesis. It is an attempt to restore Nature's balance through unnatural means (like modern medicine...)

This correlates with trickster-type entities, like Loki, the Devil, Mercury, Thoth, or Coyote, and other spirits of illusion or deception.

Beamtenherrschaft (Bureaucracy)

The fourth stage of the five stages is called Beamtenherrschaft or Bureaucracy represents the Parenthesis that results when the Hegelian Synthesis does not succeed in connecting the opposites.

This correlates with the Void, and the absence of Divinity. The Tarot card associated with this stage is the Tower, which is the usual representation of the Tower of Babel.

Grummet (Aftermath)

The fifth stage, Grummet or Aftermath represents a return back to Chaos. Bureaucracy chokes on it's own paperwork. Flow is restored. Life is returned. Equality is restored.

Clearly we are living in the age Bureaucracy today. The self-organizing systems theory did say that this high-level order emerges out of chaos, so we will need to have a return to chaos first, before that can happen.

Oh well, who's to say I am not ready? 

[Thomas-s]

There is no place on this Earth for those opinions.  They are utterly, utterly wrong and deeply offensive to every human being with a brain, a conscience and half an education.  Please leave the Internet.  You're not welcome here.

I didn't think it was possible, but I actually I find this post more offensive than the one to which you were responding.

Well that's just weird. 

I guess we're both allowed to be offended.

For one thing, free speech is awfully overrated.  Free speech is powerful.  As we know from the holy book of Spiderman, with great power comes great responsibility.  The cave dweller to whom I was originally responding would not understand this.

Relax dude, it's just the internet.

[Richy_T]

Is a world where you could wind up with the business end of a hammer in the back of your skull without warning a world you want to live in? Is a world where leaders are decided by how bloodthirsty they are, and power vacuums are created constantly a world you want to live in? If so, then I'd ask you the same question: how much human brutality have you experienced?

This *is* the world we live in. And if you live in a country where your government has a disagreement with another government, things get unpleasant. Though the US is managing to export most of its conflicts at the moment so it's largely hidden.

[mmitech]

How is it that the richest continent on the planet in terms of resources (Africa) has the poorest citizens?

--snip--

I am a racist Idiot full with hate, I pretend to know things and have a high IQ, while in reality I am just a deep shit low life

Wow, that is some shitty racism there, Well, you have some serious issues and it tells allot about your character... but hey, lets not forgot that Europeans exploited Africa (and Africans) for centuries, this is why Africa suffers today, all Europeans fault.

BTW, I am born and raised in Africa.... best years of my life.

[Richy_T]

Explaining what good anarchy brings instead of talking about what bad government does is like asking to explain what good comes from someone not getting whipped without bringing up the bad about being whipped.

are you still 16 and in your rebellious phase? lol

It says more about you than me to believe that only teenagers like freedom.

It's the young adults that tend to be more left leaning in the first place. I know I was light socialist until my early 30s.

[AizenSou]

How is it that the richest continent on the planet in terms of resources (Africa) has the poorest citizens?

--snip--

I am a racist Idiot full with hate, I pretend to know things and have a high IQ, while in reality I am just a deep shit low life

Wow, that is some shitty racism there, Well, you have some serious issues and it tells allot about your character... but hey, lets not forgot that Europeans exploited Africa (and Africans) for centuries, this is why Africa suffers today, all Europeans fault.

BTW, I am born and raised in Africa.... best years of my life.

Well I agree on the racism part but can't say yes for the European's fault part. You sounds like you having the same prejudice like him.

[justusranvier]

Is a world where you could wind up with the business end of a hammer in the back of your skull without warning a world you want to live in? Is a world where leaders are decided by how bloodthirsty they are, and power vacuums are created constantly a world you want to live in? If so, then I'd ask you the same question: how much human brutality have you experienced?

This *is* the world we live in. And if you live in a country where your government has a disagreement with another government, things get unpleasant. Though the US is managing to export most of its conflicts at the moment so it's largely hidden.

There's a brutal, bloodthirsty gang rampaging unchecked in the US right now. They rob travellers at gunpoint; execute pets for fun; beat up, kidnap and/or kill anyone unlucky enough to be targeted by them; and break into random houses at night for thrills.

Civilization manages to survive this constant onslaught now, so I imagine in a world in which this gang was not automatically supplied with limitless money and resources via taxation, it would survive even better.

[L0uis]

Fucking Annoying.

[justusranvier]

Free speech is powerful.  As we know from the holy book of Spiderman, with great power comes great responsibility.  The cave dweller to whom I was originally responding would not understand this.

Your reply failed to demonstrate that you are any more responsible in handling free speech than the person you were criticizing for a lack of responsibility.

[mmitech]

How is it that the richest continent on the planet in terms of resources (Africa) has the poorest citizens?

--snip--

I am a racist Idiot full with hate, I pretend to know things and have a high IQ, while in reality I am just a deep shit low life

Wow, that is some shitty racism there, Well, you have some serious issues and it tells allot about your character... but hey, lets not forgot that Europeans exploited Africa (and Africans) for centuries, this is why Africa suffers today, all Europeans fault.

BTW, I am born and raised in Africa.... best years of my life.

Well I agree on the racism part but can't say yes for the European's fault part. You sounds like you having the same prejudice like him.

you will be shocked of how many people were killed while Europeans occupied and colonized African countries, many African tribes extinct because of the barbarian acts of European in that land, they treated natives worse than animals.

[MrPiggles]

How is it that the richest continent on the planet in terms of resources (Africa) has the poorest citizens?

--snip--

I am a racist Idiot full with hate, I pretend to know things and have a high IQ, while in reality I am just a deep shit low life

Wow, that is some shitty racism there, Well, you have some serious issues and it tells allot about your character... but hey, lets not forgot that Europeans exploited Africa (and Africans) for centuries, this is why Africa suffers today, all Europeans fault.

BTW, I am born and raised in Africa.... best years of my life.

Well I agree on the racism part but can't say yes for the European's fault part. You sounds like you having the same prejudice like him.

you will be shocked of how many people were killed while Europeans occupied and colonized African countries, many African tribes extinct because of the barbarian acts of European in that land, they treated natives worse than animals.

Doesn't mean it's ALL europeans fault buddy. Plenty of places were colonised with the natives treated like shit and turned out just fine.

[600watt]

Free speech is powerful.  As we know from the holy book of Spiderman, with great power comes great responsibility.  The cave dweller to whom I was originally responding would not understand this.

Your reply failed to demonstrate that you are any more responsible in handling free speech than the person you were criticizing for a lack of responsibility.

no, racism and the open rejection of racism is not the same category.