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October 16, 2014, 06:58:29 PM
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As Geoffrey Moore describes in his award winning book "Crossing the Chasm", disruptive innovations tend to have a gap or chasm between the first two adopter groups (innovators/early adopters), and the early majority.

This is where we are right now folks.

There will ever only be 21 million coins minted. Ever. If you think about it, that means that bitcoin can only go up in value, essentially, forever.

Here are some other reasons, if you're not sold yet.

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bitcoin will lift the unbanked of the third world from poverty
allows for remittance for poor immigrant workers with no middle man
consumers can rest easy knowing their money is safe from hackers, unlike credit card users at target, home depot, etc

new:
next halving will cause more demand for limited supply
billions of dollars of VC being invested every month
stock market plunging, world wide economic collapse seems imminent. people of the world will use bitcoin as a hedge.

Cut your stock market losses before it's too late, invest in bitcoin! You have been warned since bottom at $275!

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October 16, 2014, 07:09:06 PM
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Right on, brother.

When you're afraid to buy, that's when there's money to be made. When you're excited to buy it's already too late.
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October 16, 2014, 08:17:33 PM
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As Geoffrey Moore describes in his award winning book "Crossing the Chasm", disruptive innovations tend to have a gap or chasm between the first two adopter groups (innovators/early adopters), and the early majority.

This is where we are right now folks.

There will ever only be 21 million coins minted. Ever. If you think about it, that means that bitcoin can only go up in value, essentially, forever.

Here are some other reasons, if you're not sold yet.

old:
bitcoin will lift the unbanked of the third world from poverty
allows for remittance for poor immigrant workers with no middle man
consumers can rest easy knowing their money is safe from hackers, unlike credit card users at target, home depot, etc

new:
next halving will cause more demand for limited supply
billions of dollars of VC being invested every month
stock market plunging, world wide economic collapse seems imminent. people of the world will use bitcoin as a hedge.

Cut your stock market losses before it's too late, invest in bitcoin! You have been warned since bottom at $275!

The 21 million doesn't mean much really. The decimal point can be moved around. You would still need to go through a middle man to exchange btc to local currency for remittances. How exactly is btc going to lift the third world out of poverty? Many btc holders have already fallen victim to theft, and many more will in the future. People of the world won't suddenly turn to btc in the face of economic collapse.

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October 16, 2014, 08:23:36 PM
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Bitcoin is heading south once again... I wonder what price it will stop at now? Maybe under 200 ?
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October 16, 2014, 08:27:15 PM
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The 21 million doesn't mean much really. The decimal point can be moved around. You would still need to go through a middle man to exchange btc to local currency for remittances. How exactly is btc going to lift the third world out of poverty? Many btc holders have already fallen victim to theft, and many more will in the future. People of the world won't suddenly turn to btc in the face of economic collapse.



wrong, theres no need of middlesman to exchange btc to local currency through platforms like localbitcoin.com.
additionaly when bitcoin archieves mass adoption then there wont be any need to exchange btc to fiat anymore.


alot of people in the the third world have no access to a financial/banking system. what would happen if they get access to bitcoin?

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October 16, 2014, 08:30:07 PM
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The 21 million doesn't mean much really. The decimal point can be moved around. You would still need to go through a middle man to exchange btc to local currency for remittances. How exactly is btc going to lift the third world out of poverty? Many btc holders have already fallen victim to theft, and many more will in the future. People of the world won't suddenly turn to btc in the face of economic collapse.

Because the unbanked of the world will now be able to save their money. As the value of each bitcoin increases dramatically over the next few years, they will finally be able to accumulate wealth, free from corrupt government influences within their countries that would desire to confiscate it.

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October 16, 2014, 08:57:29 PM
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Borrow every penny you can. Sell all your assets. Turn everything into Bitcoin as the only way is up. Death or BTC. To da moon!!!!!!
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October 16, 2014, 09:52:47 PM
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The 21 million doesn't mean much really. The decimal point can be moved around. You would still need to go through a middle man to exchange btc to local currency for remittances. How exactly is btc going to lift the third world out of poverty? Many btc holders have already fallen victim to theft, and many more will in the future. People of the world won't suddenly turn to btc in the face of economic collapse.



wrong, theres no need of middlesman to exchange btc to local currency through platforms like localbitcoin.com.
additionaly when bitcoin archieves mass adoption then there wont be any need to exchange btc to fiat anymore.


alot of people in the the third world have no access to a financial/banking system. what would happen if they get access to bitcoin?
That's slightly incorrect, localbitcoins itself is a middleman - there will always be a need for escrow services in the bitcoin community, at least until the foreseeable future.  Of course, there is a far lower need for middlemen in bitcoin than any other transaction system/currency.

true if you use localbitcoins to escrow the btc.

if you just use localbitcoins.com to meet the right people and dont use it for the escrow, then theres no need for a middlesman - face to face trading.

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October 16, 2014, 10:03:12 PM
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The 21 million doesn't mean much really. The decimal point can be moved around. You would still need to go through a middle man to exchange btc to local currency for remittances. How exactly is btc going to lift the third world out of poverty? Many btc holders have already fallen victim to theft, and many more will in the future. People of the world won't suddenly turn to btc in the face of economic collapse.

Because the unbanked of the world will now be able to save their money. As the value of each bitcoin increases dramatically over the next few years, they will finally be able to accumulate wealth, free from corrupt government influences within their countries that would desire to confiscate it.

Yes btc can be used as a vessel to save ones wealth. How is someone living on less than $2 a day who can't afford to save anything going to acquire some? The whole world can't just acquire some btc and hope to get rich. Sure some of the people in the third world who lift themselves out of poverty may invest in btc, but btc is not some magic cure for the world's ills.
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October 16, 2014, 10:10:01 PM
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I have seen instances where a homeless man refuses a new pair of shoes because he knows they will make him the target of thieves.  The same can be said for receipt of cash.  A homeless man knows he should spend all of the money he gets from begging that same day on things that cannot be stolen, like food/drink to be immediately consumed.  Anything not immediately consumed will be stolen that night while he sleeps.  Cash will be stolen.  No bank will give an account to someone who is truly homeless.  Banks require a home address.

A homeless man can use a library computer and localbitcoins to turn cash into Bitcoin and actually build up savings.  Bitcoin is the answer for the unbanked.

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October 16, 2014, 10:19:09 PM
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The 21 million doesn't mean much really. The decimal point can be moved around. You would still need to go through a middle man to exchange btc to local currency for remittances. How exactly is btc going to lift the third world out of poverty? Many btc holders have already fallen victim to theft, and many more will in the future. People of the world won't suddenly turn to btc in the face of economic collapse.

Because the unbanked of the world will now be able to save their money. As the value of each bitcoin increases dramatically over the next few years, they will finally be able to accumulate wealth, free from corrupt government influences within their countries that would desire to confiscate it.

Yes btc can be used as a vessel to save ones wealth. How is someone living on less than $2 a day who can't afford to save anything going to acquire some? The whole world can't just acquire some btc and hope to get rich. Sure some of the people in the third world who lift themselves out of poverty may invest in btc, but btc is not some magic cure for the world's ills.


you should look up micro loans. this will be the game changer for the poorest people on this planet.

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October 16, 2014, 10:24:22 PM
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As Geoffrey Moore describes in his award winning book "Crossing the Chasm", disruptive innovations tend to have a gap or chasm between the first two adopter groups (innovators/early adopters), and the early majority.

This is where we are right now folks.

There will ever only be 21 million coins minted. Ever. If you think about it, that means that bitcoin can only go up in value, essentially, forever.

Here are some other reasons, if you're not sold yet.

old:
bitcoin will lift the unbanked of the third world from poverty
allows for remittance for poor immigrant workers with no middle man
consumers can rest easy knowing their money is safe from hackers, unlike credit card users at target, home depot, etc

new:
next halving will cause more demand for limited supply
billions of dollars of VC being invested every month
stock market plunging, world wide economic collapse seems imminent. people of the world will use bitcoin as a hedge.

Cut your stock market losses before it's too late, invest in bitcoin! You have been warned since bottom at $275!

To respond to bolded selections, in order:

1) If you think about it, it's in no way sound to conclude that a limited supply means BTC can only go up in value forever.   Aside from the fact that a word-for-word, direct interpretation of what you suggest would imply that sell orders could never be executed, the market has fallen <50% over the past year.  Limited supply does not in any way necessitate demand.

2) BTC *could* provide new economic access to billions of people who do not currently have it, but with an open-source network infrastructure, it seems reasonable to estimate that a superior alternative might fill that niche instead.

3) The majority of people, even with an intent to use BTC, would not yet be able to rest easy with BTC because very few would be knowledgeable and disciplined enough to store their BTC in a way that removes any risk of online theft.  This is a chicken-and-egg problem though, and as time goes on I certainly expect to see near-idiot-proof wallet, storage, and exchange solutions be made easily available.

4) Aside from retouching upon the "limited supply does not necessitate demand" idea, it's unknown to what extent knowledge of the next subsidy halving is presently factored into the price.

5) People won't use BTC as a hedge if it remains highly volatile, though at the level of mass adoption volatility should theoretically be limited.  If economies immediately began dropping like flies, nobody is going to be rushing into BTC...at least not presently.

Overall, I think the first-mover advantage is hugely significant for BTC, and there's no question that business and infrastructure funding and development has never been higher.  Accordingly, I'm optimistic on BTC's future, but I wouldn't put a guarantee on it.  To me, it seems ridiculous to think BTC is the best conceived currency when, aside from popularity and network size, there already exists a handful of currencies that are superior alternatives.  However, I get preoccupied a lot by wondering if Bitcoin is simply 'good enough.'
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October 16, 2014, 10:27:09 PM
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I have seen instances where a homeless man refuses a new pair of shoes because he knows they will make him the target of thieves.  The same can be said for receipt of cash.  A homeless man knows he should spend all of the money he gets from begging that same day on things that cannot be stolen, like food/drink to be immediately consumed.  Anything not immediately consumed will be stolen that night while he sleeps.  Cash will be stolen.  No bank will give an account to someone who is truly homeless.  Banks require a home address.

A homeless man can use a library computer and localbitcoins to turn cash into Bitcoin and actually build up savings.  Bitcoin is the answer for the unbanked.

A homeless man using a library computer...  to do what, exactly?  
Let's say this quirky homeless guy has an online wallet.  Let's say he magically managed to fund it with coin.  Now what?

How does he spend it?  He can't even order shit online to be delivered to his cardboard box--no addy.  Mebby our homeless guy renting a PO box?

Do you ever think shit through?
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I have seen instances where a homeless man refuses a new pair of shoes because he knows they will make him the target of thieves.  The same can be said for receipt of cash.  A homeless man knows he should spend all of the money he gets from begging that same day on things that cannot be stolen, like food/drink to be immediately consumed.  Anything not immediately consumed will be stolen that night while he sleeps.  Cash will be stolen.  No bank will give an account to someone who is truly homeless.  Banks require a home address.

A homeless man can use a library computer and localbitcoins to turn cash into Bitcoin and actually build up savings.  Bitcoin is the answer for the unbanked.

A homeless man using a library computer...  to do what, exactly?  
Let's say this quirky homeless guy has an online wallet.  Let's say he magically managed to fund it with coin.  Now what?

How does he spend it?  He can't even order shit online to be delivered to his cardboard box--no addy.  Mebby our homeless guy renting a PO box?

Do you ever think shit through?


what part of 'savings' did you miss there? and there are stores that take bitcoin face to face, and there will be ALOT more soon.
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October 16, 2014, 10:36:57 PM
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Savings can be withdrawn into cash with localbitcoins later.  This makes for a great savings account for the unbanked.
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October 16, 2014, 11:20:43 PM
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I have seen instances where a homeless man refuses a new pair of shoes because he knows they will make him the target of thieves.  The same can be said for receipt of cash.  A homeless man knows he should spend all of the money he gets from begging that same day on things that cannot be stolen, like food/drink to be immediately consumed.  Anything not immediately consumed will be stolen that night while he sleeps.  Cash will be stolen.  No bank will give an account to someone who is truly homeless.  Banks require a home address.

A homeless man can use a library computer and localbitcoins to turn cash into Bitcoin and actually build up savings.  Bitcoin is the answer for the unbanked.

Now you got me thinking maybe I should take a homeless person to a public library, teach them how to use btc and deposit 0.1 btc in their wallet. Could be an interesting experiment.

Oh yeah, I've never had a homeless person reject an offering of cash from me.
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October 16, 2014, 11:24:25 PM
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THe only way price will fall to single digits is if the protocol fails... nothing else will cause it to fail not even a killer alt coin because the network affect is stronger... I think as long as th enetwork is secure and no hacks are found you can look up.
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October 16, 2014, 11:28:45 PM
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I have seen instances where a homeless man refuses a new pair of shoes because he knows they will make him the target of thieves.  The same can be said for receipt of cash.  A homeless man knows he should spend all of the money he gets from begging that same day on things that cannot be stolen, like food/drink to be immediately consumed.  Anything not immediately consumed will be stolen that night while he sleeps.  Cash will be stolen.  No bank will give an account to someone who is truly homeless.  Banks require a home address.

A homeless man can use a library computer and localbitcoins to turn cash into Bitcoin and actually build up savings.  Bitcoin is the answer for the unbanked.

Now you got me thinking maybe I should take a homeless person to a public library, teach them how to use btc and deposit 0.1 btc in their wallet. Could be an interesting experiment.

Oh yeah, I've never had a homeless person reject an offering of cash from me.

No, they'll never reject it.  They'll simply spend any excess immediately.  Spend it and immediately consume or have it stolen.  Your cash will be spent first on food.  Anything left over will probably be spent on smokes and booze.  To the homeless, it's use it or lose it.  Bitcoin can change that.
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October 17, 2014, 06:31:23 AM
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There will ever only be 21 million coins minted. Ever. If you think about it, that means that bitcoin can only go up in value, essentially, forever.

While I agree with you that is a good time to invest, This is not the only factor on the bitcoin price. There are many things that can make bitcoin lose value...
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Bitcoin is heading south once again... I wonder what price it will stop at now? Maybe under 200 ?

Where we are in terms of the shape of the downtrend looks similar to where we were in the middle of April. We could have a bit of a downtrend, and then another steep run up by the end of November, if we do something similar to back in May.
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