Child Kidnappings by the Western-European States
Nemo1024:
Resurrecting this thread once again.
For those thinking such events are rare or some kind of scare-mongering, here are articles from the Norwegian State Broadcasting company NRK with some admissions, facts and deep-dives into several cases. The investigative report was barely pushed through by the mayor of one commune, where several such child mistreatments happened.
In this case three kids were taken from their father and the siblings were split. The boys managed to persevere, though one, who is now 28, admits that he considered taking his own life, and did not do that only so as not to sadden his father. The girl suffered mental strain and is now in a psychiatric hospital for life. The single father worked shifts during their childhood, and on one occasion a social worked reported that he saw an empty refrigerator and a teacher reporting that one of the boys did not have food with him to school. The now-grown-up boy in question said in an interview that he gave away he food ration to a neighbour's dog as he didn't like eating at school. So the father not filling up the fridge and the boy not taking his food all the way to school resulted in the family torn asunder without parole. Teh commune will pay a monetary compensation, but 150000 NOK is not something that will repair their lives.
https://www.nrk.no/vestland/knusande-rapport-mot-barnevernet-i-samnanger_-_-ei-totalsvikt-1.14993512
https://www.nrk.no/vestland/knusande-rapport-mot-barnevernet-i-samnanger_-_-ei-totalsvikt-1.14993512
https://www.nrk.no/vestland/brorne-blei-feilaktig-henta-av-barnevernet_-_-eg-hadde-fa-vener.-sa-mista-eg-familien-1.15006795
The last paragraph of the first article refers to a report from 2019 conducted by the State Health monitoring organisation which shows that such cases are numerous (https://www.helsetilsynet.no/presse/nyhetsarkiv/2019/gjennomgang-av-106-barnevernsaker-om-akuttiltak-eller-omsorgsovertakelse/)
Then there is an article about a boy, who was forcibly taken from his mother and his sister and spent almost a year distribution zone, waiting for some family to adopt him. He ran way to spend Christmas with his mother, hid with relatives when the CPS and uniformed police came for him. Ultimately the police waited in ambush and 4 policemen took him away from his mother again "for his own good". In the end he, a 15-year-old, defended his case in the court and on a rare occasion managed to be returned to his mother and sister. Reason: mother had economic difficulties. The CPS used 3 million NOK to keep the boy imprisoned at the institution, money a fraction of which they could have used to give economic aid to the boy's mother.
https://www.helsetilsynet.no/presse/nyhetsarkiv/2019/gjennomgang-av-106-barnevernsaker-om-akuttiltak-eller-omsorgsovertakelse/
And finally, a very rare admission, Sentral Party, supported by the Labour are calling CPS for "systemic crisis" and are calling for a full investigation of the practice:
https://www.nrk.no/nordland/krever-full-gransking-av-barnevernet_-_-dette-er-en-systemkrise-1.15038057
In the meantime, Russian independent TV channel NTV produced a 4-part documentary about the Lisov family's ordeal in Sweden, and several other similar cases, one other particular case coming from Denmark (only in Russian):
https://www.ntv.ru/peredacha/based_on_real_events/m75060/o595956/video/
And the series on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85+%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B9
Nemo1024:
Norwegian media are slowly starting to direct attention to the CPS cases. A few weeks ago a 1-year-old child was beaten to death by a foster family, where it was placed by CPS. The family they kidnapped it from are "receiving psychological support" for the loss of their child:
https://www.nrk.no/trondelag/barn-dode-i-barnevernets-omsorg-_-biologiske-foreldre-far-krisehjelp-1.15284763
https://www.nrk.no/trondelag/politiet-tause-om-barnedodsfall-_-frykter-vitner-skal-bli-pavirka-1.15289423
In today's news, Strasbourg Human Rights Court will not be evaluating a case, brought to it by a Norwegian/Romanian family, where CPS kidnapped and placed into foster care their 5 kids. The kids were returned to the family after strong criticism from an independent psychologist report, but the case was still to be brought up in a Norwegian court. The parents decided not to take any chances and moved to Romania, foregoing meeting at the court. That is the reason for HRC to dismiss the case. The reason for kidnapping their 5 kids was that parents would occasionally smack a misbehaving kid, something that the parents did not deny. From the very beginning the parents agreed to stop this practise. However, CPS saw it fit to exert a punitive measure against the parents and the children in the form of child kidnapping.
https://www.nrk.no/vestland/menneskerettsdomstolen-vil-ikkje-behandle-barnevernssak-1.15293202
Nemo1024:
Another cautionary tale from the last year, which caught my attention, this time from Sweden, where the child was kidnapped after the mother was accused of being too caring and of distrust in the Swedish medical institution.
https://aif.ru/society/law/za_nedoverie_u_rossiyanki_v_shvecii_zabrali_doch_posle_analizov_v_rf
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For more than two weeks, Russian woman Elena Shishina did not see her daughter. She was taken away by the authorities of Sweden, where Elena lives with her family. Swedish social services did not like that Elena dared to turn to Russian doctors to clarify the diagnosis of the child.
The Scandinavian authorities regarded the appeal to the Russian doctors as a fact of distrust in Swedish medicine. And the mother herself was accused of excessive guardianship and anxiety.
Elena moved to Sweden in 2002. First she studied there, then worked as a nanny, then got a job in a transport company.
While abroad, Elena met her future husband: a citizen of Belarus, Vitaly Bitel. From him, she gave birth to a daughter, Lisa.
Related article: Anti-human rights agencies. Russian Germans had their newborn son taken away
"I gave birth to Lisa when I was 41 years old," says Elena Shishina. — She wasn't sickly, but she always ate poorly. In Sweden, we asked for help several times, but we were always sent home, saying that the child is healthy, and you are making everything up."
But her daughter was getting worse. Lisa stopped gaining weight, began to have colic and constant diarrhoea.
It was then that Elena decided to seek help from Russian doctors. In her native Cherepovets, she still has relatives. It was during the next visit to her homeland that she decided to turn to the local doctors.
"Tests were made and they found out that Lisa is allergic to cow's milk protein and eggs," says Elena. - I had to change the mixture. And - lo and behold - Lisa's bowel disorder stopped! She began to go to the toilet normally and even started to gain weight."
But Elena's joy was premature. After she and her daughter returned to Stockholm and told local doctors that she had managed to determine the cause of her daughter's intestinal disorder, the guardianship authorities intervened. They regarded her appeal to Russian doctors as a fact of distrust of Swedish medicine. And the mother herself was accused of excessive care and anxiety. "They believe that since we did some research in Russia, we tormented Lisa, hindered her development," explains Elena Shishina. — And about all those medical tests that we did in Russia, they said that it was a lie, and I made up the diarrhoea. In their opinion, we worry too much and go to the doctors too often, and this is wrong."
Related article: "Because I'm Russian." In Switzerland, the guardianship authorities took the baby from the mother
Elena was told that after medical procedures, Lisa developed depression, the girl is not well in the family and should be removed and transferred to a Swedish shelter.
"In Sweden, they love to treat all sorts of mental illnesses, so the diagnosis of "depression" is a common thing here. We were not provided with any documents for the removal of our daughter," says Elena Shishina. "The trial should take place only in 2 months. In the meantime, we were offered to meet with Lisa for an hour once every 3 weeks under the supervision of the guardianship authorities. But we did not agree with their proposal and asked them to change it."
Now Lisa is in a rehabilitation centre without hypo-allergenic food and, most importantly, without maternal love and affection. The Russian authorities and human rights activists have already become interested in the case.
For example, the organization "Russian Mothers" supports Elena Shishina and suspects that the Swedish guardianship authorities want to enrich themselves on the removal of the child. In their opinion, in Europe, children of this age are "a hot commodity", there are queues for their adoption.
The family contacted the Russian Embassy in Sweden. They promised to provide assistance in challenging the court's decision and in reuniting the family.
"The diplomats are in constant contact with the Russian woman. The Embassy is providing her with all the necessary assistance," Dmitry Krylov, a spokesman for the Russian Embassy in Sweden, told TASS. "We have sent a request to the Swedish authorities."
Call me Fada:
Quote from: Nemo1024 on October 19, 2014, 12:20:52 PM
Norway has a peculiar child protection (barnevernet) system. At a most insignificant suspicion that a child has bee mistreated by its parents, the child will be taken by the sate from its parents and relocated to an undisclosed foster family. *The parents will then be presumed guilty until they prove that they are innocent, a process that can take up to several years. It does not matter if both parents and the child are not Norwegian citizens - they can even be tourists visiting the country for a couple of days, the process would still be the same.
http://rt.com/news/196532-norway-remove-child-tooth/
Two weeks ago a Russia family working in the North of Norway experienced just that. Their 5-year old son had a loose milk tooth, which the mother helped to remove. The child mentioned that at school and the teacher took the child home, suspecting abuse. The parents were getting worried when the child did not return from school in the evening, but became even more worried when they got summoned by the police to give statements. They were denied their request to see the child, and they still do not know where the child is. Child protection also expressed interest in the younger sister of the boy, but the parents managed to send he back to Russia to her grand-parents, while they remain in Norway for the legal battle to get their child back. All three are Russian citizens, so this is not just a case of kidnapping, but of an abduction of a foreign citizen.
http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/11-10-2011/119296-norway_children-0/
Norway had about 8000 such cases, 20 of which against Russian citizens. India made a TV documentary, called "Nightmare in Norway" - an Indian child got confiscated from its Indian parents in the same manner after the authorities learnt that the child crept into his parents bed after having nightmares (a child, according to the rules, must always sleep in its own bed).
The state-kidnapped children are often placed in care of families of "non-traditional orientation", which is in accordance with the Norwegian doctrine of de-genderaisation of children. A child should be an "it", until "it" is old enough to decide if it wants to be a "she" or "he".
In those cases when parents managed to prove their innocence, and children were returned, the families were still forced to leave Norway.
So, when visiting Norway with a child, make sure not to anger it so that it does not start tell tall tails of abuse to its teachers and don't feed it from your hands (falls under the transgression of "forced feeding")
This is one thing that happens every where mostly in Africa, yes Africa I repeat Africa it’s quite unfortunate that the media pays less attention to it and focuses more on what is less important to the safety of society, this is where we got it wrong some children are been kidnapped and manipulated into doing what they ought not to do most are brainwashed, trained and cultured into terrorist, armed robbers, fraudsters, assassins and rapist.
This is what nobody wants to talk about everybody shys away from this bitter truth and it’s absurd the world at large needs to come together and face this great challenge left to be lingering it’s causing more harm than good.
BenLaw:
I read a lot of stories and realized that in such countries, social care fails and turns in the wrong direction. I think that the governments of these countries should reconsider their policies and leave parents more rights, because it really looks like kidnapping children. Social care is important, but not in this form. I had not thought about it before, but we considered this topic in college. I didn't feel like studying then, so I used https://studyhippo.com/essays-on/social-care/ to write essays with the help of professionals. This resource helped me a few more times, so I recommend it to you. And I very much hope that the highly developed countries of Europe will reconsider their policies on the treatment of children and will not take them away from their parents for minor misdemeanors.
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