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Andrew Vorobyov
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May 14, 2011, 08:15:12 PM
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I've been trading Forex for quite a long time and I would like to share with community this mechanism how to move money without leaving any traces...

I ask bright minds to improve/apply/upgrade this idea to Bitcoin so it will bring us better exchanges and liquidity.

Imagine the situation:

Both Pete and Michael has $100K. Pete lives in USA and Michael lives in UK. Pete needs to send $10K to Michael anonymously.

Both of them go and open Forex accounts and deposit money in.

Michael places $10K EUR/USD BUY order at 1.4100 StopLoss at 1.4070 and TakeProfit at 1.4200

Pete places $10K EUR/USD SELL order at 1.4100 StopLoss at 1.4200 and TakeProfit at 1.4070

Two outcomes:
a) price goes up - Michael has $110K on his account and Pete has $90K.
b) price goes down - Michael has $97K on his account and Pete has $103K.

In case b they restart setup with $13K positions. Eventually price moves in favorable way and necessary "exchange" takes place.

There are really countless benefits, however there are substantial limitations for such transfers.

1) Both nodes must have 3 to 5 times more money to make such transfer - price can go not in your favor many times in a row

2) It's not doable with cash - money must be inside of the system already.

3) Both nodes must have 100% trust - imagine when outcome B has taken place and Pete just quits.

4) Taxes - Michael needs to pay taxes on $10K - can be fixed with offshore account.

Anything missing?

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May 14, 2011, 08:39:22 PM
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In case b they restart setup with $13K positions. Eventually price moves in favorable way and necessary "exchange" takes place.

There are really countless benefits, however there are substantial limitations for such transfers.

1) Both nodes must have 3 to 5 times more money to make such transfer - price can go not in your favor many times in a row
 

If they only have 5x times they can only get it wrong 3 times (50-10-13-16.9=not enough to go again) no to mention repeated fees and the hassle of coordinating an unknown number of times.

Strangers won't ever do this. And friends can settle amounts <10% of their free cash whenever is convenient.

edit: But I appreciate the spirit.

edit again: did I get the math wrong?

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May 14, 2011, 08:50:53 PM
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Math question does not really matter...

Trading software can be created that money will flow from one account to another ( Spreading through all trading symbols + using scalping and smaller chunks for transfer)

You can probably even make settings field $x/hour Smiley

So I think 1) and 3) can be ironed out and almost neglected...


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May 14, 2011, 09:37:18 PM
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Ya nobody here is dumb enough to use a martingale system to transfer money.

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May 14, 2011, 09:45:39 PM
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Fees.

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May 15, 2011, 12:18:15 AM
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I think I have an easier way with less hassle:

Both parties use Tor to open a MyBitcoin account. The party that wants to transfer the money also uses Tor to purchase Bitcoins using a prepaid credit card. He then goes and transfers the money to the other person while still protected with Tor.

When the other person wants to withdraw the money, they do the reverse. Simple, fast, secure, anonymous.
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May 15, 2011, 12:21:14 AM
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I think I have an easier way with less hassle:

Both parties use Tor to open a MyBitcoin account. The party that wants to transfer the money also uses Tor to purchase Bitcoins using a prepaid credit card. He then goes and transfers the money to the other person while still protected with Tor.

When the other person wants to withdraw the money, they do the reverse. Simple, fast, secure, anonymous.

You forgot free Wink.  Well, there might be fees on the purchase, but we're talking about the transfer here.

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