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Well there is an vulnerability with USB drives as we have found out and disc only have a lifespan of about ten years.

Although I saw something today that might just be the best for digital storage of a wallet.

mdisc

http://www.mdisc.com/

1000 year rated dvd's where the files are written to "stone" and it will play in most drives where as the blue ray disc will play in all, better yet they aren't that expensive.

They are more durable then regular disc and can take a beating but just still can't be bent in half without snapping, there isn't much more you can ask for in a long term disc. This seems to be perfect for people wanting to people their wallet data or private keys on a disc.

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October 23, 2014, 02:38:14 PM
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Well there is an vulnerability with USB drives as we have found out and disc only have a lifespan of about ten years.

Although I saw something today that might just be the best for digital storage of a wallet.

mdisc

http://www.mdisc.com/

1000 year rated dvd's where the files are written to "stone" and it will play in most drives where as the blue ray disc will play in all, better yet they aren't that expensive.

They are more durable then regular disc and can take a beating but just still can't be bent in half without snapping, there isn't much more you can ask for in a long term disc. This seems to be perfect for people wanting to people their wallet data or private keys on a disc.

A private key is 256bits long. You don't need 25GBytes of storage to store it. A sheet of paper and a pen are all you need.
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Well there is an vulnerability with USB drives as we have found out and disc only have a lifespan of about ten years.

Although I saw something today that might just be the best for digital storage of a wallet.

mdisc

http://www.mdisc.com/

1000 year rated dvd's where the files are written to "stone" and it will play in most drives where as the blue ray disc will play in all, better yet they aren't that expensive.

They are more durable then regular disc and can take a beating but just still can't be bent in half without snapping, there isn't much more you can ask for in a long term disc. This seems to be perfect for people wanting to people their wallet data or private keys on a disc.

A private key is 256bits long. You don't need 25GBytes of storage to store it. A sheet of paper and a pen are all you need.
Sheets of paper deteriate and are easily vulnerable to the elements, these are a bit more resilient and this is a way to digitally back up any of your bitcoin needs.

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October 23, 2014, 04:45:16 PM
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Well there is an vulnerability with USB drives as we have found out and disc only have a lifespan of about ten years.

Although I saw something today that might just be the best for digital storage of a wallet.

mdisc

http://www.mdisc.com/

1000 year rated dvd's where the files are written to "stone" and it will play in most drives where as the blue ray disc will play in all, better yet they aren't that expensive.

They are more durable then regular disc and can take a beating but just still can't be bent in half without snapping, there isn't much more you can ask for in a long term disc. This seems to be perfect for people wanting to people their wallet data or private keys on a disc.

A private key is 256bits long. You don't need 25GBytes of storage to store it. A sheet of paper and a pen are all you need.
Sheets of paper deteriate and are easily vulnerable to the elements, these are a bit more resilient and this is a way to digitally back up any of your bitcoin needs.
Emboss the 256bit number on a strip of stainless steel using a tapewriter.  End of Problem.

No need for computer or digital storage for a simple 64 place hexadecimal number.
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October 24, 2014, 01:59:26 AM
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Well there is an vulnerability with USB drives as we have found out and disc only have a lifespan of about ten years.

Although I saw something today that might just be the best for digital storage of a wallet.

mdisc

http://www.mdisc.com/

1000 year rated dvd's where the files are written to "stone" and it will play in most drives where as the blue ray disc will play in all, better yet they aren't that expensive.

They are more durable then regular disc and can take a beating but just still can't be bent in half without snapping, there isn't much more you can ask for in a long term disc. This seems to be perfect for people wanting to people their wallet data or private keys on a disc.

A private key is 256bits long. You don't need 25GBytes of storage to store it. A sheet of paper and a pen are all you need.
Sheets of paper deteriate and are easily vulnerable to the elements, these are a bit more resilient and this is a way to digitally back up any of your bitcoin needs.
Emboss the 256bit number on a strip of stainless steel using a tapewriter.  End of Problem.

No need for computer or digital storage for a simple 64 place hexadecimal number.
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October 24, 2014, 04:17:59 AM
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Well there is an vulnerability with USB drives as we have found out and disc only have a lifespan of about ten years.

Although I saw something today that might just be the best for digital storage of a wallet.

mdisc

http://www.mdisc.com/

1000 year rated dvd's where the files are written to "stone" and it will play in most drives where as the blue ray disc will play in all, better yet they aren't that expensive.

They are more durable then regular disc and can take a beating but just still can't be bent in half without snapping, there isn't much more you can ask for in a long term disc. This seems to be perfect for people wanting to people their wallet data or private keys on a disc.

Very cool!  Thanks for your post!
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October 24, 2014, 04:48:39 AM
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Well there is an vulnerability with USB drives as we have found out and disc only have a lifespan of about ten years.

Although I saw something today that might just be the best for digital storage of a wallet.

mdisc

http://www.mdisc.com/

1000 year rated dvd's where the files are written to "stone" and it will play in most drives where as the blue ray disc will play in all, better yet they aren't that expensive.

They are more durable then regular disc and can take a beating but just still can't be bent in half without snapping, there isn't much more you can ask for in a long term disc. This seems to be perfect for people wanting to people their wallet data or private keys on a disc.

A private key is 256bits long. You don't need 25GBytes of storage to store it. A sheet of paper and a pen are all you need.
Sheets of paper deteriate and are easily vulnerable to the elements, these are a bit more resilient and this is a way to digitally back up any of your bitcoin needs.
Emboss the 256bit number on a strip of stainless steel using a tapewriter.  End of Problem.

No need for computer or digital storage for a simple 64 place hexadecimal number.

Wow, great idea here too.  Thanks.
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October 24, 2014, 10:00:16 AM
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Well there is an vulnerability with USB drives as we have found out and disc only have a lifespan of about ten years.

Although I saw something today that might just be the best for digital storage of a wallet.

mdisc

http://www.mdisc.com/

1000 year rated dvd's where the files are written to "stone" and it will play in most drives where as the blue ray disc will play in all, better yet they aren't that expensive.

They are more durable then regular disc and can take a beating but just still can't be bent in half without snapping, there isn't much more you can ask for in a long term disc. This seems to be perfect for people wanting to people their wallet data or private keys on a disc.

A private key is 256bits long. You don't need 25GBytes of storage to store it. A sheet of paper and a pen are all you need.
Sheets of paper deteriate and are easily vulnerable to the elements, these are a bit more resilient and this is a way to digitally back up any of your bitcoin needs.
Emboss the 256bit number on a strip of stainless steel using a tapewriter.  End of Problem.

No need for computer or digital storage for a simple 64 place hexadecimal number.

Why i like some simple and yet applicable approach. Sometimes a bunch of wording like for example the seeds from electrum may not mean anything to a person even if they found out about it. Have it embossed on arts and pictures or even steel plates that lasts very long so that way they wont even suspect anything. they might just thought it is just part of other things not related to bitcoin.

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October 24, 2014, 10:18:08 AM
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Well there is an vulnerability with USB drives as we have found out and disc only have a lifespan of about ten years.

Although I saw something today that might just be the best for digital storage of a wallet.

mdisc

http://www.mdisc.com/

1000 year rated dvd's where the files are written to "stone" and it will play in most drives where as the blue ray disc will play in all, better yet they aren't that expensive.

They are more durable then regular disc and can take a beating but just still can't be bent in half without snapping, there isn't much more you can ask for in a long term disc. This seems to be perfect for people wanting to people their wallet data or private keys on a disc.

A private key is 256bits long. You don't need 25GBytes of storage to store it. A sheet of paper and a pen are all you need.
Sheets of paper deteriate and are easily vulnerable to the elements, these are a bit more resilient and this is a way to digitally back up any of your bitcoin needs.
Emboss the 256bit number on a strip of stainless steel using a tapewriter.  End of Problem.

No need for computer or digital storage for a simple 64 place hexadecimal number.

Why i like some simple and yet applicable approach. Sometimes a bunch of wording like for example the seeds from electrum may not mean anything to a person even if they found out about it. Have it embossed on arts and pictures or even steel plates that lasts very long so that way they wont even suspect anything. they might just thought it is just part of other things not related to bitcoin.

Ha.. very clever idea but people who visit the house might ask why you have written random 12 words on this painting? Cheesy
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October 24, 2014, 12:32:14 PM
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AH, but mDisc is very expensive & you need special hardware to write any files to mDisc
But, you can store your other precious files together with your bitcoin cold storage & maybe some video games files  Grin

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AH, but mDisc is very expensive & you need special hardware to write any files to mDisc
But, you can store your other precious files together with your bitcoin cold storage & maybe some video games files  Grin
Not for the blu-ray disc and for the dvd's a lot of standard drives are compatible.

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Well there is an vulnerability with USB drives as we have found out and disc only have a lifespan of about ten years.

Although I saw something today that might just be the best for digital storage of a wallet.

mdisc

http://www.mdisc.com/

1000 year rated dvd's where the files are written to "stone" and it will play in most drives where as the blue ray disc will play in all, better yet they aren't that expensive.

They are more durable then regular disc and can take a beating but just still can't be bent in half without snapping, there isn't much more you can ask for in a long term disc. This seems to be perfect for people wanting to people their wallet data or private keys on a disc.

Lololol, 'proven' for 1,000 years? I somehow highly doubt they can 'guarantee' 1000 years...

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Well there is an vulnerability with USB drives as we have found out and disc only have a lifespan of about ten years.

Although I saw something today that might just be the best for digital storage of a wallet.

mdisc

http://www.mdisc.com/

1000 year rated dvd's where the files are written to "stone" and it will play in most drives where as the blue ray disc will play in all, better yet they aren't that expensive.

They are more durable then regular disc and can take a beating but just still can't be bent in half without snapping, there isn't much more you can ask for in a long term disc. This seems to be perfect for people wanting to people their wallet data or private keys on a disc.

Lololol, 'proven' for 1,000 years? I somehow highly doubt they can 'guarantee' 1000 years...
Thats why i put rated, unless the crusaders used these to rock their files and mp3s.

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October 24, 2014, 03:54:26 PM
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just use different ways to store your walletS and encrypt all.

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October 24, 2014, 04:09:18 PM
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Well there is an vulnerability with USB drives as we have found out and disc only have a lifespan of about ten years.

Although I saw something today that might just be the best for digital storage of a wallet.

mdisc

http://www.mdisc.com/

1000 year rated dvd's where the files are written to "stone" and it will play in most drives where as the blue ray disc will play in all, better yet they aren't that expensive.

They are more durable then regular disc and can take a beating but just still can't be bent in half without snapping, there isn't much more you can ask for in a long term disc. This seems to be perfect for people wanting to people their wallet data or private keys on a disc.

You could write your private key on a piece of paper, this can last longer than ten years.  The private key is not that large so you do not need an entire disc to store it.
A private key is 256bits long and 256 really is not that large and you could even convert it to a shorter hexadecimal number of 64 characters.  Wink

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1000 year rated dvd's where the files are written to "stone" and it will play in most drives where as the blue ray disc will play in all, better yet they aren't that expensive.

buy a dremel and drill on stainless steel plate.

stop invent dumb system to store a key ... http://www.instructables.com/id/A-Stainless-Steel-Bitcoin-Wallet/
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The Dremel/Chromium thing is cool,

But I would go lower tech than that if I wanted it to last 100 Years..

Use the paper backup from Armory, that will (should) always work.

Use a Credit Card Size Plaque made of Stainless Steel.

Punch The number set in using an Alphabetic Punch Set
like This;
http://www.sunsetcrystals.com.au/metal-punch-stamping-sets-4mm/
http://www.sunsetcrystals.com.au/images/P/uppercase%20basic%20stamp%20set%20-%204mm-2.jpg

Nail it to the underside of your house, or somewhere that no one is going to be passing regularly.
Make it somewhere you could easily describe to someone, like if you are in an ambulance.

Possibly make a wooden sleeve for it, so its not obvious, or possibly fold in half, so it can't be read by just glancing at it.

The code requires no password, so take care where you put it.

You could cryptically remove or reorganise, but to me, thats asking for trouble.

And obviously TEST THE RESTORE before putting it away and forgetting it.

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October 25, 2014, 07:04:07 PM
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The disc might have a 1000 year life span - but will there be a device available to read it, 1000 years from now (or even 100 years )?

Engrave the keys into gold and it'll last 10000 years easily. Probably longer than Bitcoin will exist.

Or just spend all your coins now, so you won't have to worry about storage anymore... Wink

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Just laminate the paper wallet.  That will last hundreds of years.  That plastic will more than preserve the paper. 
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The disc might have a 1000 year life span - but will there be a device available to read it, 1000 years from now (or even 100 years )?

Engrave the keys into gold and it'll last 10000 years easily. Probably longer than Bitcoin will exist.

Or just spend all your coins now, so you won't have to worry about storage anymore... Wink

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Gold ehh, now i think that would be a bit expensive.

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