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October 27, 2014, 08:39:37 PM
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They cannot do this because its not possible its just rumor if some one has solid information then please post here with all proof

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October 28, 2014, 12:21:44 AM
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Yes, people will steal other peoples "ideas" especially if you rank up high with your metadata, you wouldn't be able to know that they stole it, most would just disregard it and assume that someone else has thought of the same idea.

Ideas are meant to be used by anyone. Nobody 'owns' an idea.

Coin wallets are different, a store of personal wealth.

I am wondering if rogue groups of NSA analysts might use their unfettered access to computers to steal cryptocoins?

If you think up a unique patent then it is the product of your labour and belongs to you as much as your physical property.

All through history, in every human society as well as among animals ideas have not been proprietary. It is only in a tiny slice of industrial society that an idea like that occurs.

However the posession of a local commodity, usually food, is common through history also in every society including among animals.

Perhaps the first question is whether a bitcoin wallet falls in the category of actual wealth, like a handful of food, or abstract wealth like an idea. In either case theft by government employees is for their personal gain and an abuse of power, in no way resemb!ing the use of an idea.

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answering the question is based on our assumption, meaningless.
 

It is more than assumption, a person takes evidence from their experience.

I have lived in places where it is common for police officers to steal. I have even been outright robbed by a police oifficer in addition to numerous incidents of police in various countries asking for 'a gift' or 'something to remember you by'.

All things taken into account, including educational standards and social norms, I consider the police in the United States to be the most corrupt among those in the many countries I have visited. Among U.S. po!ice I think NYC has a level of corruption that is ignored despite its being staggering. So in the original post I linked to an article.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/24/nsa-official-implicated-potential-conflicts-interest-resigns/
 And I ask, considering what is known of police habits around the world, but especvially in the United States, does that article cause any worry that perhaps the NSA would not frown on its employees making extra money by stealing cryptocoins?
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October 28, 2014, 12:47:32 AM
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Yes, people will steal other peoples "ideas" especially if you rank up high with your metadata, you wouldn't be able to know that they stole it, most would just disregard it and assume that someone else has thought of the same idea.

Ideas are meant to be used by anyone. Nobody 'owns' an idea.

Coin wallets are different, a store of personal wealth.

I am wondering if rogue groups of NSA analysts might use their unfettered access to computers to steal cryptocoins?

If you think up a unique patent then it is the product of your labour and belongs to you as much as your physical property.

All through history, in every human society as well as among animals ideas have not been proprietary. It is only in a tiny slice of industrial society that an idea like that occurs.

However the posession of a local commodity, usually food, is common through history also in every society including among animals.

Perhaps the first question is whether a bitcoin wallet falls in the category of actual wealth, like a handful of food, or abstract wealth like an idea. In either case theft by government employees is for their personal gain and an abuse of power, in no way resemb!ing the use of an idea.

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answering the question is based on our assumption, meaningless.
 

It is more than assumption, a person takes evidence from their experience.

I have lived in places where it is common for police officers to steal. I have even been outright robbed by a police oifficer in addition to numerous incidents of police in various countries asking for 'a gift' or 'something to remember you by'.

All things taken into account, including educational standards and social norms, I consider the police in the United States to be the most corrupt among those in the many countries I have visited. Among U.S. po!ice I think NYC has a level of corruption that is ignored despite its being staggering. So in the original post I linked to an article.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/24/nsa-official-implicated-potential-conflicts-interest-resigns/
 And I ask, considering what is known of police habits around the world, but especvially in the United States, does that article cause any worry that perhaps the NSA would not frown on its employees making extra money by stealing cryptocoins?

Yes, I remember all the times I was questioned and stopped by the police, not to mention taken into custody while living in US.

Every single time, they asked for bribes or 'gifts'. Not once have I had a decent experience with them and they always beat me.



No.



Funny you try to wiggle out of it all by claiming 'by educational standards and social norms'. I think you should enjoy the relatively uncorrupted places where police literally fucks you in the ass and wallet because you understand their 'educational standard and social norms'.

You got some serious problem with selective bitching here. Are you so fucked in the head you can't stand facts anymore?
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October 28, 2014, 01:46:38 AM
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I guess you just have to secure your bitcoins.
If they are in cold storage, I doubt if the NSA (or anybody) could steal them.

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October 28, 2014, 09:52:29 PM
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Some time back my computer was hacked and I lost some coins. Reviewing all the evidence, including information from Kaspersky, it seemed likely someone in  Russian government law enforcement position might have been involved.

Recently I read the following article on the Intercept
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/24/nsa-official-implicated-potential-conflicts-interest-resigns/
It occured to me that the people who have that sort of power are usually either very clean or very crooked. Historically in offices like that there is an ultracorrupt leadership that employes a layer of squeeky clean people for legitimacy.

So reading the above article do you think there are teams at the NSA who aggressively steal coin wallets?

I would believe that they have more important and valuable things to do with their time like homeland security, now unless they believed you were a terrorist supporting his troops with bitcoin i see no reason why they would take interest and target you or you even make a bleep on their radar... but out of all the gov't agenencies out there they i believe are the sneakiest (you knkow besides the ones that we dont even know exist) anything is possible though

According to Snowden some NSA employees used to swap nudes of women that they'd come across via the mass surveillance, so I see no reason why it couldn't be possible for them to abuse their powers and try steal money or other such things.
Stealing things of value, like the private keys to bitcoin addresses is much more serious then swapping naked pictures. It would also likely take a lot more resources to steal a private key then it would be to swap naked pictures as the employee would likely simply stumble across them while it would likely require an active attack to find a private key

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October 29, 2014, 08:00:21 PM
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Yes, I remember all the times I was questioned and stopped by the police, not to mention taken into custody while living in US.

Every single time, they asked for bribes or 'gifts'. Not once have I had a decent experience with them and they always beat me.
No.
Funny you try to wiggle out of it all by claiming 'by educational standards and social norms'. I think you should enjoy the relatively uncorrupted places where police literally fucks you in the ass and wallet because you understand their 'educational standard and social norms'.
You got some serious problem with selective bitching here. Are you so fucked in the head you can't stand facts anymore?

Maybe you are a police officer or feel the need to defend them for some other reason.

My objective is the truth. Your objective is defending your buddies or appeasing authority maybe.

Police in the United States steal. A lot.

The specific question was whether rogue employees of the nsa or similar agencies steal coin wallets.

They have opportunity, motive. Is stealing coins compatible with their ethics?
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October 30, 2014, 12:25:56 AM
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Some time back my computer was hacked and I lost some coins. Reviewing all the evidence, including information from Kaspersky, it seemed likely someone in  Russian government law enforcement position might have been involved.

Recently I read the following article on the Intercept
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/24/nsa-official-implicated-potential-conflicts-interest-resigns/
It occured to me that the people who have that sort of power are usually either very clean or very crooked. Historically in offices like that there is an ultracorrupt leadership that employes a layer of squeeky clean people for legitimacy.

So reading the above article do you think there are teams at the NSA who aggressively steal coin wallets?

I would believe that they have more important and valuable things to do with their time like homeland security, now unless they believed you were a terrorist supporting his troops with bitcoin i see no reason why they would take interest and target you or you even make a bleep on their radar... but out of all the gov't agenencies out there they i believe are the sneakiest (you knkow besides the ones that we dont even know exist) anything is possible though

According to Snowden some NSA employees used to swap nudes of women that they'd come across via the mass surveillance, so I see no reason why it couldn't be possible for them to abuse their powers and try steal money or other such things.
These are two very different accusations. One involves the trade of something that has very little value (and can be found for free on the internet) while the other involves the theft of actual property.

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October 30, 2014, 12:23:03 PM
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You did not showed any prove of what you say. If you have some you should show so everyone can help by disclosing whoever steal any coins on some not perfectly secured wallets.

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October 31, 2014, 06:08:48 AM
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Some time back my computer was hacked and I lost some coins. Reviewing all the evidence, including information from Kaspersky, it seemed likely someone in  Russian government law enforcement position might have been involved.

Recently I read the following article on the Intercept
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/24/nsa-official-implicated-potential-conflicts-interest-resigns/
It occured to me that the people who have that sort of power are usually either very clean or very crooked. Historically in offices like that there is an ultracorrupt leadership that employes a layer of squeeky clean people for legitimacy.

So reading the above article do you think there are teams at the NSA who aggressively steal coin wallets?

I would believe that they have more important and valuable things to do with their time like homeland security, now unless they believed you were a terrorist supporting his troops with bitcoin i see no reason why they would take interest and target you or you even make a bleep on their radar... but out of all the gov't agenencies out there they i believe are the sneakiest (you knkow besides the ones that we dont even know exist) anything is possible though

According to Snowden some NSA employees used to swap nudes of women that they'd come across via the mass surveillance, so I see no reason why it couldn't be possible for them to abuse their powers and try steal money or other such things.
Stealing things of value, like the private keys to bitcoin addresses is much more serious then swapping naked pictures. It would also likely take a lot more resources to steal a private key then it would be to swap naked pictures as the employee would likely simply stumble across them while it would likely require an active attack to find a private key
I agree. I would say that there would be much more serious consequences for someone that steals money from "spyees" as this is a serious ethical violation and is generally considered to be theft
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