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October 26, 2014, 08:46:15 PM
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Some time back my computer was hacked and I lost some coins. Reviewing all the evidence, including information from Kaspersky, it seemed likely someone in  Russian government law enforcement position might have been involved.

Recently I read the following article on the Intercept
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/24/nsa-official-implicated-potential-conflicts-interest-resigns/
It occured to me that the people who have that sort of power are usually either very clean or very crooked. Historically in offices like that there is an ultracorrupt leadership that employes a layer of squeeky clean people for legitimacy.

So reading the above article do you think there are teams at the NSA who aggressively steal coin wallets?

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2812728/British-spies-American-s-telephone-calls-emails-without-warrant-reveals-legal-challenge-UK.html
The NSA and GCHQ each have tens of thousands of employees.
Each has a reputation too for trying to present a false ethical atmosphere around their leaders.
Many other comparable services in other countries are the same but with even poorer ethics.
So the question is not "Do they steal", but " How many of them steal?" and "Is there any way to force accountability?".

Note too that these agencies overwhelmingly prefer to avoid punishing bad employees to avoid publicity. A few years ago the CIA station chief in Algeria was caught luring women to his home, administering knockout drugs and then raping the women. The problem quickly disappeared and a person can guess that employee was promoted to a position with less supervision so the problem, i.e., publicity, will not recur.
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October 26, 2014, 09:03:11 PM
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Surprise surprise, people intrusted with valuable information will monetize it in exchange for currency. Who honestly wouldn't? Everyone but the 1% of the ideologically committed.
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October 26, 2014, 09:10:27 PM
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...people intrusted with valuable information will monetize it...

That is one way to word it.

My curiousity artises specifically though because certain large thefts seems to have occurred having used information only available through government, information otherwise technologically impossible to obtain, and there would seem to have been efforts to hide the source of that information.

I am not going to elaborate on that, and I am sure there are many people who are suspicious of agencies like the NSA, but I am wondering who has noticed that which I refer to in the previous paragraph.
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October 26, 2014, 09:52:45 PM
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...people intrusted with valuable information will monetize it...

That is one way to word it.

My curiousity artises specifically though because certain large thefts seems to have occurred having used information only available through government, information otherwise technologically impossible to obtain, and there would seem to have been efforts to hide the source of that information.

I am not going to elaborate on that, and I am sure there are many people who are suspicious of agencies like the NSA, but I am wondering who has noticed that which I refer to in the previous paragraph.

Yes, people will steal other peoples "ideas" especially if you rank up high with your metadata, you wouldn't be able to know that they stole it, most would just disregard it and assume that someone else has thought of the same idea.
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October 27, 2014, 12:36:06 AM
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Yes, people will steal other peoples "ideas" especially if you rank up high with your metadata, you wouldn't be able to know that they stole it, most would just disregard it and assume that someone else has thought of the same idea.

Ideas are meant to be used by anyone. Nobody 'owns' an idea.

Coin wallets are different, a store of personal wealth.

I am wondering if rogue groups of NSA analysts might use their unfettered access to computers to steal cryptocoins?
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October 27, 2014, 12:39:41 AM
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Possible but how likely is the question?

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October 27, 2014, 01:10:40 AM
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answering the question is based on our assumption, meaningless.

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October 27, 2014, 01:15:26 AM
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Yes, people will steal other peoples "ideas" especially if you rank up high with your metadata, you wouldn't be able to know that they stole it, most would just disregard it and assume that someone else has thought of the same idea.

Ideas are meant to be used by anyone. Nobody 'owns' an idea.

Coin wallets are different, a store of personal wealth.

I am wondering if rogue groups of NSA analysts might use their unfettered access to computers to steal cryptocoins?

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October 27, 2014, 01:22:30 AM
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So your coins got stolen by russian operatives, but you blame the NSA?

No wonder real criminals find you an easy prey.
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October 27, 2014, 01:46:43 AM
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ok. How does the NSA plan on stealing coins?

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October 27, 2014, 01:54:15 AM
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So your coins got stolen by russian operatives, but you blame the NSA?

No wonder real criminals find you an easy prey.

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October 27, 2014, 08:36:00 AM
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ok. How does the NSA plan on stealing coins?
The OP does not provide any evidence of the NSA stealing coins. Nor is the situation that the OP describes involve the NSA.

I would say that if any agency is able (or will be able to) steal bitcoin, it would be the NSA, however I would say the chances of such would be very small


 
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October 27, 2014, 10:06:03 AM
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ok. How does the NSA plan on stealing coins?
The OP does not provide any evidence of the NSA stealing coins. Nor is the situation that the OP describes involve the NSA.

I would say that if any agency is able (or will be able to) steal bitcoin, it would be the NSA, however I would say the chances of such would be very small

Provide an evidence or an article about your post or else move this thread to speculation section.
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October 27, 2014, 12:22:35 PM
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October 27, 2014, 01:52:15 PM
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Another paranoia on the house  Grin
Why and what for they steal that ? They can funding their operation with more than 100 way to gather money from all over the world.

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It is regrettably the way human nature functions, whether we like it or not.
What successful economies do is keep it to a minimum. No one has ever eliminated any of that stuff.
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October 27, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
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Some time back my computer was hacked and I lost some coins. Reviewing all the evidence, including information from Kaspersky, it seemed likely someone in  Russian government law enforcement position might have been involved.

Recently I read the following article on the Intercept
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/24/nsa-official-implicated-potential-conflicts-interest-resigns/
It occured to me that the people who have that sort of power are usually either very clean or very crooked. Historically in offices like that there is an ultracorrupt leadership that employes a layer of squeeky clean people for legitimacy.

So reading the above article do you think there are teams at the NSA who aggressively steal coin wallets?

I would believe that they have more important and valuable things to do with their time like homeland security, now unless they believed you were a terrorist supporting his troops with bitcoin i see no reason why they would take interest and target you or you even make a bleep on their radar... but out of all the gov't agenencies out there they i believe are the sneakiest (you knkow besides the ones that we dont even know exist) anything is possible though
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October 27, 2014, 02:07:38 PM
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Some time back my computer was hacked and I lost some coins. Reviewing all the evidence, including information from Kaspersky, it seemed likely someone in  Russian government law enforcement position might have been involved.

Recently I read the following article on the Intercept
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/24/nsa-official-implicated-potential-conflicts-interest-resigns/
It occured to me that the people who have that sort of power are usually either very clean or very crooked. Historically in offices like that there is an ultracorrupt leadership that employes a layer of squeeky clean people for legitimacy.

So reading the above article do you think there are teams at the NSA who aggressively steal coin wallets?

I would believe that they have more important and valuable things to do with their time like homeland security, now unless they believed you were a terrorist supporting his troops with bitcoin i see no reason why they would take interest and target you or you even make a bleep on their radar... but out of all the gov't agenencies out there they i believe are the sneakiest (you knkow besides the ones that we dont even know exist) anything is possible though

According to Snowden some NSA employees used to swap nudes of women that they'd come across via the mass surveillance, so I see no reason why it couldn't be possible for them to abuse their powers and try steal money or other such things.

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October 27, 2014, 08:28:45 PM
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They don't need to steal the coins. What kind of computer are you using?

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October 27, 2014, 08:32:19 PM
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Some time back my computer was hacked and I lost some coins. Reviewing all the evidence, including information from Kaspersky, it seemed likely someone in  Russian government law enforcement position might have been involved.

Recently I read the following article on the Intercept
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/24/nsa-official-implicated-potential-conflicts-interest-resigns/
It occured to me that the people who have that sort of power are usually either very clean or very crooked. Historically in offices like that there is an ultracorrupt leadership that employes a layer of squeeky clean people for legitimacy.

So reading the above article do you think there are teams at the NSA who aggressively steal coin wallets?

More likely just speculation
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