Gamergate Thread

[freedomno1]

I'll start the thread off and see where this goes
What is your opinion on gamergate whether it is for ethics and transparency that is misunderstood really an issue of corrupt journalism, or a feminist issue that has split the cauldron of gaming in a sense all over the place. (Or perhaps something else like purposeful misdirection)



Few articles to start it off
Summary Of The Gamergate Movement
http://www.clickhole.com/article/summary-gamergate-movement-we-will-immediately-cha-1241

Female Supporters of Gamergate (7:00-8:00) (Then 9:00-10:10)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnuiie9zttU

Gamergate Achievements
https://pixietalksgamergate.wordpress.com/gamergates-achievements-thus-far/
https://medium.com/@fruzse/five-positive-things-about-gamergate-807869fb3014
http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-biggest-victories-gamergate-achieved-far.php

Gamergate Timeline
http://deadspin.com/the-future-of-the-culture-wars-is-here-and-its-gamerga-1646145844

Anita Sarkeesian releases a video about the sexualization and use of women as props in games; she becomes involved as a matter of course; Sarkeesian is harassed and threatened to the point of filing a police report with the San Francisco Police Department and leaving her home due to the severity of the threats; Quinn produces logs of chatrooms and posts from Reddit and 4chan that show gamers planning to carry out hacks on her personal accounts and create fake accounts to "speak out" against harassment; the gaming industry circulates a petition speaking out against the harassment of Quinn and Sarkeesian that's eventually signed by thousands of industry members;

The Fine Young Capitalists, a fifth-column feminist group dedicated to "promoting women in gaming" with whom Quinn had previously feuded, re-engage her; groups from around the internet raise more than $70,000 for TFYC in a crowdfunding project; Adam Baldwin (yes, that Adam Baldwin) coins the term #Gamergate on Twitter; an ancillary hashtag, #notyourshield, is hatched by minorities, women, and LGBTQ gamers who agree with Gamergate and disagree with writers who they feel are misrepresenting them; Gamergate tweaks its outward image, deciding that it is now on a mission to expose broader corruption in video game journalism; and writers who have openly supported Quinn and Sarkeesian are harassed online, via email, and through repeated hack attempts, with Vox Media singled out in particular.

Eventually, several articles on the same basic topic were published. The general premise was that it is pointless to talk about "gamers" as a whole—the constituency is too vast—and further, that the core identity of a "gamer" had become dominated by the loudest and most unacceptable sort. The most openly prosecutorial was a Gamasutra op-ed by editor-at-large Leigh Alexander titled "'Gamers' don't have to be your audience. 'Gamers' are over." It argued that the only way to begin anew the project of defining the culture of gaming is to tear the whole thing down and build from scratch. It contained this passage:

'Games culture' is a petri dish of people who know so little about how human social interaction and professional life works that they can concoct online 'wars' about social justice or 'game journalism ethics,' straight-faced, and cause genuine human consequences. Because of video games.

This is when everything fell all the way down the shitter.

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[waszurHölle]

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/

I think atm the best source to get news about Gamergate

and

http://np.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/

if you want have some loughs

[BitMos]

What is it to use women as props?

[Lethn]

What is your opinion on gamergate whether it is for ethics and transparency that is misunderstood really an issue of corrupt journalism, or a feminist issue that has split the cauldron of gaming in a sense all over the place. (Or perhaps something else like purposeful misdirection)  

I think it's a total clusterfuck of all three, I think the culprits largely responsible for this are the matriarchs ( more and more I refuse to call these women feminists because they are an insult to real feminism ) and we've always known that gaming journalism are corrupt and games developers are about as out of touch as westminister politicians. What these people have done is backlash against a few gamers who are more than sick of their bullshit and the gamers involved in this whole thing have allowed themselves to be completely baited and look like morons to any outsider.

By the way, I'm actually glad you made a thread like this OP because then people won't have an excuse to spam this bullshit all over the forums in an attempt to make themselves look even more stupid than they already are. I hate a lot of gaming journalists, never pay a single bit of attention to them and this kind of crap is exactly why, you can see the true contempt that they and major games developers have for particularly the PC gaming community.

The use of sex in any form of media has always been around and lets face it and it's not going to change and frankly I find the way women act as if they don't do the same to the sexes they're attracted to is patronising.

[waszurHölle]

http://www.davidpakman.com/

Interview  with Brianna Wu, but this time not a friend of her and question she can't answer with her constructed sentences

[freedomno1]

By the way, I'm actually glad you made a thread like this OP because then people won't have an excuse to spam this bullshit all over the forums in an attempt to make themselves look even more stupid than they already are. I hate a lot of gaming journalists, never pay a single bit of attention to them and this kind of crap is exactly why, you can see the true contempt that they and major games developers have for particularly the PC gaming community.

In agreeement some of the reviews are just crap if its not a Halo or a Call of Duty but something like Lolipop Chainsaw then according to the game reviewers its sexist, without even bothering with the game mechanics or gameplay.

In other words I don't give a damn what your personal opinion is or some moral spiel about it just tell me if the game works has more less no super crappy bugs and is fun to play.
Yet apparently that's a hard thing to do lol...

As an aside to the feminists
(I sort of want the net result out of this being 4chan or similar groups making their own rating system to troll the F out of everyone else and then having random reviewers go there to make opinions)
After all making games for well making games is what its about (aka enjoying it and trying new things and then telling others about it bias aside)
Katawa Shoujo whistle.

Something like Users for Users
Don't need some game reviewer who's considered pro telling me whats good and whats not.

[Lethn]

I notice as well about how games like Call of Duty in the first place are basically racist military propaganda but of course you won't here that kind of comment from most reviewers because they've been promoting the shit out of it for years and said developers pay them lots and lots of money

See? That's how you beat morons accusing you of sexism lol shame the gamers didn't do any of that.

[Ekaros]

I think it's mainly about ethics are corruption. Also they dislike direct attacks to their group.

Then there is tiny minority of trolls who like to stir up things. And small handful of true misogynist who have gotten the misandrist to hate them and thus the crappy MSM pulled in with lies.

[Lethn]

Glad people here understand what's going on problem is outsiders are just going to think "Oh it's all gamers then" bah >_< hopefully they know how stupid gaming journalism is and will ignore them like they ignore television.

[Wilikon]

Watch critic Anita Sarkeesian talk GamerGate on ‘The Colbert Report’


http://venturebeat.com/2014/10/29/watch-critic-anita-sarkeesian-talk-gamergate-on-the-colbert-report/


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The liar fraud spreading her venom thanks to her friend colbert... The comment section is cool to read.

[My Name Was Taken]

The bottom line for me is don't be shitty to other people. You don't agree with what someone is saying or their point of view? That's fine, but that's not an excuse to call them a 'dumb c*nt.' I generally stay off twitter because no meaningful dialogue can be condensed to 140 character responses, but in the few tweets I've seen on the matter, the phrase 'dumb c*nt' showed up a distressing number of times.

[freedomno1]

It's been a month since the last check on gamergate so thought it was worth a revive.
Looks like some strategies include telling their moms on them now
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/gamergate-victim-strikes-back-at-male-stalkers-with-a-brilliant-new-ploy-telling-their-moms/

[Lethn]

Oh come on, really? LOL!

EDITOR’S NOTE: Pearce previously said that Gamergate activists were behind her harassment, but then told the Guardian that she changed her mind about that. We have changed the headline to reflect her change of heart.

Should've thought about the before encouraging several gaming news journalists to write that shit all over their websites, fucking morons, of course it never occured to these people that the ones making these death and rape threats where just little assholes from a very small group because they don't understand the internet.

[freedomno1]

Oh come on, really? LOL!

EDITOR’S NOTE: Pearce previously said that Gamergate activists were behind her harassment, but then told the Guardian that she changed her mind about that. We have changed the headline to reflect her change of heart.

Should've thought about the before encouraging several gaming news journalists to write that shit all over their websites, fucking morons, of course it never occured to these people that the ones making these death and rape threats where just little assholes from a very small group because they don't understand the internet.

They may have changed the Headline Lethn but they can't change that top level url
But true enough the word Victim got replaced with reviewer, got caught with the crap and got called out on it too ^^

Good old media removing context
https://twitter.com/Charalanahzard/status/538508274094456832

From the comments section
pancakeloach @pancakeloach
>But journalism don't need no ethics!
Jeez this is why we need #GamerGate @thewtfmagazine @RawStory @Charalanahzard
 Alanah Pearce @Charalanahzard
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@pancakeloach @thewtfmagazine To clarify, @RawStory are the only ones I take issue with here. That 'editor's note' is BS.
7:02 PM - 28 Nov 2014

[saddampbuh]

women who play games are whores, who cares if they get offended

[Lethn]

women who play games are whores, who cares if they get offended

Well you're a dick aren't you?

[b!z]

women who play games are whores, who cares if they get offended

LOL do you actually believe this?

[jaysabi]

women who play games are whores, who cares if they get offended

This was such a lazy troll attempt, why even bother?

[freedomno1]

Gamergate on the topic of virtual rape hacking in (GTA 5)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQkENXa9WNE
Takes teabagging to a whole new level

Also GTA 5 Got banned in Target Australia as an aside.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/dec/03/australian-store-bans-grand-theft-auto-5-violence-against-women

[Wilikon]

Gawker's Denton to step down as president




From the comment section:

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Unpaid interns and GamerGate rabble aren't a factor? "In 2015, Gawker will be the very best version of itself; I will be the best version of myself. We will be bloggers again,” Denton said. Lol, Nick you devious swine.

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haha, what a whitewash! no mention of the HUGE advertisers they lost over their GamerGate BS. the real story is that people finally organized and fought back against the Outrage Industry, the White Knights of Twitter and the Social Justice Warrior frauds that endlessly harass anyone who disagrees with them. Denton's scalp is theirs and they should be congratulated for giving him some just desserts.


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Nick's utterly incompetent handling of gamergate didn't just lose Gawker advertisers, it rose awareness of adblock software and made it a basic requirement for internet browsing. How much total ad revenue did this genius just evaporate?


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"The move, Denton said, was part of an effort to scale back his day-to-day managerial roles and return to blogging, which he called "the only truly new media in the age of the web" and "the essential act of journalism in an interactive and conversational age.""

So journalism has now been reduced to clickbait articles written by a team of vultureous SJW white guilt hipsters inside a Starbucks in Portland, Oregon.

Good to know.


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Super hilarious that this article doesn't mention #GamerGate at all. Gawker's Max Read admitted that the campaign against them could cost them MILLIONS.

Why, curious readers who've never heard of this? Sam Biddle, Gawker reporter, called for the bullying of "nerds" over GG, GOT PROMOTED, and then bragged about how we was being promoted for "making nerds cry."

DURING NATIONAL BULLYING AWARENESS MONTH. No joke.



http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/12/gawkers-nick-denton-to-step-down-199807.html

[solid12345]

This gamer gate crap is so long-winded and confusing I don't even know how to comment on it.

But I will say this, where is this myth coming from that horny geeks actually get turned OFF from the idea of hot chicks who play video games?

This is the thing that makes me roll my eyes at the feminists going about all of this, I think their idea they are being persecuted for being women who like gaming is mostly fantasy.

[Lethn]

The thing is when you actually look at these people who genuinely act like psychopaths towards women on the internet, it's usually only about four or so of them at most, very rarely you get a whole swarm of users bitching at someone unless they've done something genuinely stupid and they clearly can't seem to tell that. Hell, on this forum there are some classic examples, only a few on the internet genuinely give a fuck about women playing games and stuff and frankly yes, the idea of a woman playing me on Battlefield is hawt

[Wilikon]

#GAMERGATE ANTI-BULLYING CAMPAIGN COST GAWKER OVER A MILLION DOLLARS

"Ultimately #GamerGate is reaffirming what we’ve known to be true for decades: nerds should be constantly shamed and degraded into submission,"

... Gawker writer Sam Biddle tweeted in October, sparking a firestorm of outrage which solidified into a sustained letter-writing campaign to Gawker's advertisers, which continues today, against the bullying of marginalised groups by mainstream media outlets.


A number of advertisers, including Adobe and Mercedes-Benz, distanced themselves from Gawker after receiving communications from GamerGate supporters. It is not known how much GamerGate, a consumer revolt advocating better ethics in video game journalism and rejecting feminist critiques of video games, may have cost other publishers. 

Gawker, together with Vox Media, represent the "worst offenders" in the media, according to GamerGate forums: they have both, through properties such as Kotaku and Polygon, respectively, repeatedly mocked video gamers and uncritically reported claims of threats and harassment from feminist campaigners which are falling apart under closer scrutiny.

Parallels have been noted by GamerGate supporters with the U-Va. rape controversy currently engulfing Rolling Stone magazine, in which an outlandish gang rape claim was reported by the media without, it seems, the proper fact- or sense-checking being performed on stories that were published alongside sensationalist editorial about rape culture on American campuses.

GamerGate supporters accuse feminists of manufacturing threat claims to deflect attention from criticism of their outlandish claims about video games: for example, that games promote violence against women and contribute to an "atmosphere of misogyny" in popular culture.

In recent years, Gawker has become closely associated, in particular through its Jezebel blog, with these radical feminist activists, who demand that their stories of rape, abuse and harassment be believed without journalists being allowed to perform basic checks. This principle, say GamerGate supporters, critics of Rolling Stone and others, runs contrary to basic journalistic ethics, which require more scepticism before the widespread publication of serious allegations.

As if to illustrate this point, GamerGate today drew attention to the case of Brianna Wu, a transgender far-left agitator whose claims of rape and death threats were widely republished by credulous media outlets, but which appear to be disintegrating under scrutiny.

Supporters today noted that despite Wu's claims to have been driven from her home and to effectively be "on the run" from her threateners, every on-camera interview she has conducted to date has been recorded at the same location.

Wu has also been accused of trolling, fabricating threats and blaming GamerGate supporters for "doxxing" her--that is, revealing her personal details on the internet--with no evidence that communications came from anyone associated with GamerGate.

Denton said on Wednesday at a Gawker staff gathering that appointing Joel Johnson to the position of editorial director of Gawker Media had been "a mistake." Although Gawker's revenue continues to grow year-on-year, GamerGate supporters can rightly claim to have given the company a significant bloody nose.

The management changes at Gawker announced this week follow the removal of Sam Biddle from the company's Valleywag blog after his offensive tweets and near-silence from the company since a series ofconfused apologies and panicked clarifications.



http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/11/GamerGate-Anti-Bullying-Campaign-cost-Gawker-over-a-Million-Dollars

[Wilikon]

Anita Sarkeesian Should Not Help Develop Mirrors Edge 2 (Petition Included)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D3D8Y1aqiw


https://www.change.org/p/ea-games-remove-anita-sarkeesian-from-mirror-s-edge-2-game-development



Danielle Bristol
Syracuse, NY

We the undersigned are presenting our names in solidarity against the decision of EA Games and DICE to include Anita Sarkeesian in any aspect of the game development of Mirror's Edge 2. Our reasoning follows as thus:

Anita Sarkeesian has no credibility or experience in game development. She is merely a self proclaimed critic and her opinions should offer no sound foundations in the development of this or any game. She has no experience in the industry.

Anita does not speak for gamers, female or otherwise, on the difficulty or appeal of games. She only offers personal insights catering to her own agenda. In fact, she went so far as to say that women needed a whole new "simplified" control set for this game, based on her personal experiences, passing them off as the opinion of the female gaming community.

In the past, Anita has even spoken against her status as a gamer, only to rebut her stance to serve her own purposes.

We are not against strong portrayls of women in video games, but believe that consultations on games should be given by more credible and experienced sources. We agree with Anita's right to voice her opinion on any subject matter she sees fit, however we do not agree with her input on a professional level and do not want to see the game we love influcened by ignorance.

https://www.change.org/p/ea-games-remove-anita-sarkeesian-from-mirror-s-edge-2-game-development

[Lethn]

lol you know it's bad when even EA don't want her

[jaysabi]

Whether or not the original "agitators" have credibility isn't relevant to me. The underlying truth that there is rampant misogyny, racism, and homophobia on the internet holds true for the gaming community as well, as it is just a smaller subset of the whole internet. You don't have to spend very long on Xbox live or any MMO to run into these things. Ms. Sarkeesian could be proven to have made up all her allegations and personal experiences, but it wouldn't change my perception of the problems, as I am a gamer, and I've seen name-calling and taunts firsthand, and I don't think it's a small number people causing this problem.

[Lethn]

Oh please, if you actually look at the users doing this you'll find it's not actually as many as they're claiming, yes there are dumbasses out there and we have our own homophobic and racist morons that I constantly bait because it's funny but if things were really that bad you wouldn't even be on here. Same goes for sexism really, if I ever see a woman bitching about misogny and actually look at the comments made towards her it's usually just a few assholes trying to spam her, as was the case with this woman, she then decided that all men are the enemy and we as gamers needed to be attacked.

[Wilikon]

Whether or not the original "agitators" have credibility isn't relevant to me. The underlying truth that there is rampant misogyny, racism, and homophobia on the internet holds true for the gaming community as well, as it is just a smaller subset of the whole internet. You don't have to spend very long on Xbox live or any MMO to run into these things. Ms. Sarkeesian could be proven to have made up all her allegations and personal experiences, but it wouldn't change my perception of the problems, as I am a gamer, and I've seen name-calling and taunts firsthand, and I don't think it's a small number people causing this problem.

Don't forget to sign up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Dc7fnGPcA

[jaysabi]

Oh please, if you actually look at the users doing this you'll find it's not actually as many as they're claiming, yes there are dumbasses out there and we have our own homophobic and racist morons that I constantly bait because it's funny but if things were really that bad you wouldn't even be on here. Same goes for sexism really, if I ever see a woman bitching about misogny and actually look at the comments made towards her it's usually just a few assholes trying to spam her, as was the case with this woman, she then decided that all men are the enemy and we as gamers needed to be attacked.

Again, I'm not speaking to any claims made by others, but from my own personal experiences. It's far too pervasive to be "just a few assholes." I'm making no judgments as to whether Ms. Sarkeesian's personal story is true or not. She could be lying her ass off, but still be describing an accurate situation; one I've seen myself.

[Lethn]

Oh please, if you actually look at the users doing this you'll find it's not actually as many as they're claiming, yes there are dumbasses out there and we have our own homophobic and racist morons that I constantly bait because it's funny but if things were really that bad you wouldn't even be on here. Same goes for sexism really, if I ever see a woman bitching about misogny and actually look at the comments made towards her it's usually just a few assholes trying to spam her, as was the case with this woman, she then decided that all men are the enemy and we as gamers needed to be attacked.

Again, I'm not speaking to any claims made by others, but from my own personal experiences. It's far too pervasive to be "just a few assholes." I'm making no judgments as to whether Ms. Sarkeesian's personal story is true or not. She could be lying her ass off, but still be describing an accurate situation; one I've seen myself.

When you take into account actual numbers it's not as bad as some people make out and yes, I consider them to be a a few very persistent assholes and they generally tend to be people nobody likes in the first place.

[notbatman]

I'll start the thread off and see where this goes
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GG

[manbitcoinlover]

is gamergate some political SJW crap? If it is its pure garbage and I disagree with it. You can't limit free speech especially online, I dont care if your feelings get hurt, if they get hurt dont go on the internet and go live under a rock. #RealSheet im tired of this BS censor nonsense. You can't limit me fools.