Bitcointalk.org and BTC-e hacked?

[altcoin.center]

Hi!

I'm not 100% sure of this yet, but it seems as if all the content of bitcointalk.org and btc-e.com would have been leaked to the net.

If this is true, lots of information (including the usernames, e-mail addresses and private forum messages) is now freely available.

A great part of the data will be in plain text - very easy for anyone with basic IT skills to sort out and make searches to.

Many will have trouble if the news is true.

Here's an email I just received, and having worked with IT security for quite some time, I'd say this is probably real.

They could of course be just trying to rip people off without actually having anything to sell.

I would not count on that, though - it's password changing time.

- Jyri
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[mprep]

Seems quite fake, just like dozens of others I've seen. This one didn't even provide a (fake) example of "stolen" data.

[robmob]

That is 100% fake if the got they database for both sites they would not be sending emails to random people trying to sell for that low of a amount considering the BTC-e accounts would have funds in some of them and they woulld just take them rather then selling the database.

[Mikez]

For someone stating that has worked with IT security for some time I would expect them to realize that this looks fake, instead of considering the opposite.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Seems quite fake, just like dozens of others I've seen. This one didn't even provide a (fake) example of "stolen" data.

This must be why there are so many forum threads about how to stay anon on this site in particular. Have these scams ever worked?

[Vod]

If they had all the email addresses from bitcointalk, why didn't they send that message to all of them?

I use my real email here and I didn't get such a message.   

[altcoin.center]

For someone stating that has worked with IT security for some time I would expect them to realize that this looks fake, instead of considering the opposite.

So you're saying there's only one opinion about issues like this one?

And that you know, which opinion is right, right?

May I ask, is your estimate based on actual experience or just guesswork?

Not attempting to be rude - just asking.

-j.

[altcoin.center]

Seems quite fake, just like dozens of others I've seen. This one didn't even provide a (fake) example of "stolen" data.

Well, based on the cases I've seen, it's not usually considered necessary for crackers to give that kind of proof - unless they publish all the data openly, in which case their point is not trying to make money but a statement of some kind.

To my senses the message does not seem fake. I did give that option considerable amount of time too.

Perhaps I'm wrong, which is not a problem for me. Have had to learn that skill since I do indeed make mistakes too.

-j.

[altcoin.center]

If they had all the email addresses from bitcointalk, why didn't they send that message to all of them?

I use my real email here and I didn't get such a message.  

I received the message to twice, sent to the same two addresses I use with my two accounts at bitcointalk.org.

-j.

EDIT: It would take a little while to send the message to all the users. That's not a "proof" of any kind but would explain why you may not received your copy yet. Please let me know if you do get one.

[mprep]

Seems quite fake, just like dozens of others I've seen. This one didn't even provide a (fake) example of "stolen" data.

Well, based on the cases I've seen, it's not usually considered necessary for crackers to give that kind of proof - unless they publish all the data openly, in which case their point is not trying to make money but a statement of some kind.

To my senses the message does not seem fake. I did give that option considerable amount of time too.

Perhaps I'm wrong, which is not a problem for me. Have had to learn that skill since I do indeed make mistakes too.

-j.

They don't have to post all the data, just a snippet like several usernames and their passwords, anything pretty much. Also, think about it, anyone could write up an email like this, hell, I could if I wanted (not that I do). It's really easy with some basic technical knowledge to write up some fake email claiming to have hacked a site and ask money for it.

For someone stating that has worked with IT security for some time I would expect them to realize that this looks fake, instead of considering the opposite.

So you're saying there's only one opinion about issues like this one?

And that you know, which opinion is right, right?

May I ask, is your estimate based on actual experience or just guesswork?

Not attempting to be rude - just asking.

-j.

What he probably meant to say is that he doubts your experience in IT security due to the fact that you believe a baseless email with no proof. Sadly, I have to agree.

If they had all the email addresses from bitcointalk, why didn't they send that message to all of them?

I use my real email here and I didn't get such a message.  

I received the message to twice, sent to the same two addresses I use with my two accounts at bitcointalk.org.

-j.

EDIT: It would take a little while to send the message to all the users. That's not a "proof" of any kind but would explain why you may not received your copy yet. Please let me know if you do get one.

It seems you haven't set your email as hidden so anyone can see it (including me, any forum user, random internet user), so do email sweepers.

[altcoin.center]

That is 100% fake if the got they database for both sites they would not be sending emails to random people trying to sell for that low of a amount considering the BTC-e accounts would have funds in some of them and they woulld just take them rather then selling the database.

I'm not a random person but a bitcointalk.org user.

I have two accounts registered and received two e-mails.

Considering

- how much time it would take to go through all the accounts at BTC-e

- how likely it is that heist of that type would be noticed very soon

and

- how much doing something like that would raise the chances of being caught,

I too might well go for selling the database with a cheap price to a maximum number of people.

I'm still not sure whether or not the message is fake or not, though.

-j.

[mprep]

That is 100% fake if the got they database for both sites they would not be sending emails to random people trying to sell for that low of a amount considering the BTC-e accounts would have funds in some of them and they woulld just take them rather then selling the database.

I'm not a random person but a bitcointalk.org user.

I have two accounts registered and received two e-mails.

Considering

- how much time it would take to go through all the accounts at BTC-e

- how likely it is that heist of that type would be noticed very soon

and

- how much doing something like that would raise the chances of being caught,

I too might well go for selling the database with a cheap price to a maximum number of people.

I'm still not sure whether or not the message is fake or not, though.

-j.

I'll quote it, because you seem to have missed it:

It seems you haven't set your email as hidden so anyone can see it (including me, any forum user, random internet user), so do email sweepers.

[williamj2543]

First of all this is definitely fake. The price is way too low for the "complete dump" of these sites. Way more than 0.3 can be made from using even one users account. On the other side, maybe he doesn't want to be the one responsible for hacking, so he is selling this to someone and its untraceable.

[Cortex7]

That is 100% fake if the got they database for both sites they would not be sending emails to random people trying to sell for that low of a amount considering the BTC-e accounts would have funds in some of them and they woulld just take them rather then selling the database.

I'm not a random person but a bitcointalk.org user.

I have two accounts registered and received two e-mails.

Considering

- how much time it would take to go through all the accounts at BTC-e

- how likely it is that heist of that type would be noticed very soon

and

- how much doing something like that would raise the chances of being caught,

I too might well go for selling the database with a cheap price to a maximum number of people.

I'm still not sure whether or not the message is fake or not, though.

-j.

Someone may have created a script to scrape all users from here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist

And harvest all the public email addresses (yours is set public).

I suspect it's a phish.

[altcoin.center]

They don't have to post all the data, just a snippet like several usernames and their passwords, anything pretty much. Also, think about it, anyone could write up an email like this, hell, I could if I wanted (not that I do). It's really easy with some basic technical knowledge to write up some fake email claiming to have hacked a site and ask money for it.

Yes, I did get the point of why it would make sense to publish at least something to prove the claims made.

What I'm saying is that doing so is not a de facto standard of the hacking industry, and that the lack of it does not exactly prove anything either.

It is of course very easy to just send an e-mail like that, hoping that at least someone would pay the price.

And still, that possibility does not mean that the message in question would be fake.

What he probably meant to say is that he doubts your experience in IT security due to the fact that you believe a baseless email with no proof. Sadly, I have to agree.

Your analysis matches with my guesswork as well.

However, I'd like to point out that I'm not "believing" anything, which can be clearly seen in my original post. I'm making the educated guess, based on the 15+ experience I have from the field, that the message is more probably real than fake. Even this estimate does not mean I would just blindly digest my initial analysis and start considering it a proven fact. It's an estimate, made by someone with experience, and questioned by someone of whose expertise in this area I'm not yet aware of.

You don't have to be sad for what your estimate of me or my experience is.

If I were you, I think I'd still change my password - can't loose much doing that anyways.

-j.

[altcoin.center]

Someone may have created a script to scrape all users from here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist

And harvest all the public email addresses (yours is set public).

I suspect it's a phish, a real dump would get sold in a more underground manner for more coin than they asked for here.

Yes, a harvesting script is one possibility.

And the message can be a fish.

Selling the data in a more underground manner may have already happened.

It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

A rhetoric question: Should I not have made this post about the message, or should I simply have posted it out without giving any opinions of my own?

It may not be immediately obvious, but I did in fact think several times, whether or not I make this post - first of all because the message may not be real, and secondly because it's a certain way to start a flood of negative comments, which don't exactly bother me but it's still tiresome going through them, possibly ending up in an endless loop of trying to answer questions that are not even meant to be answerable.

In the previous chapter, I'm not referring to the above discussion about harvesting etc. - those are good points. Then again, the possibility of something does not exclude the existence of another, at least until there is actual and factual proof one way or the other. It should be pretty obvious soon; if the sites have really been hacked, it's not going to go unnoticed.

-j.

[NLNico]

Bitcointalk has very decent bug bounties, see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309785.0

Obtaining arbitrary PMs or password hashes would be around 24 BTC based on current prices.

Root access (since they have DB and source?) would be around 35 BTC based on current prices.

But instead they e-mail randoms asking for 0.3 BTC. Lol. SCAAAAMMMM

[Cortex7]

Someone may have created a script to scrape all users from here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist

And harvest all the public email addresses (yours is set public).

I suspect it's a phish, a real dump would get sold in a more underground manner for more coin than they asked for here.

Yes, a harvesting script is one possibility.

And the message can be a fish.

Selling the data in a more underground manner may have already happened.

It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

A rhetoric question: Should I not have made this post about the message, or should I simply have posted it out without giving any opinions of my own?

It may not be immediately obvious, but I did in fact think several times, whether or not I make this post - first of all because the message may not be real, and secondly because it's a certain way to start a flood of negative comments, which don't exactly bother me but it's still tiresome going through them, possibly ending up in an endless loop of trying to answer questions that are not even meant to be answerable.

In the previous chapter, I'm not referring to the above discussion about harvesting etc. - those are good points. Then again, the possibility of something does not exclude the existence of another, at least until there is actual and factual proof one way or the other. It should be pretty obvious soon; if the sites have really been hacked, it's not going to go unnoticed.

-j.

No worries, it's good to be overly cautious with regard security.

If you make some folk change passwords then that certainly can't hurt.

You don't need to change your handle to "Chicken Little" just yet 

[Pkofet]

Bitcointalk has very decent bug bounties, see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309785.0

Obtaining arbitrary PMs or password hashes would be around 24 BTC based on current prices.

Root access (since they have DB and source?) would be around 35 BTC based on current prices.

But instead they e-mail randoms asking for 0.3 BTC. Lol. SCAAAAMMMM

Wow I didn't know there are bug bounties on bitcointalk and they are pretty big.

Someone has sent 0.15 btc to the address https://blockchain.info/address/1shopAH6JmxABLCbbG4wNAUZVh3ZjtGfF to the "hacker".

[Beastlymac]

If they had hacked bitcointalk don't you think they would I have posted under multiple high member accounts to advertise? Post under people like theymos, Satoshi?

That would be the best way of proving it.