BitPay is officially now an exchange and no longer just a payment provider.

[Gleb Gamow]

This is interesting: All three of the following are located on the same exact server: Name Server: DORA.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM:

• http://bitcoindf.org/
• http://www.butterflylabs.com/
• https://bitpay.com/

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22dora.ns.cloudflare.com%22+Bitcoin

Wow, you FUD is gaining new heights!  The my server uses jay.ns.cloudflare.com & meg.ns.cloudflare.com I must be in on it too!!!!1!!!

Neil

Instead of calling it FUD, how 'bout just letting me know where I erred?

http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/d8dd8fcafb08ba5c = 1ERVh27gZfPSDaaagL9R3W12xpMJ38ZBA7



Note the [13be0fef96]:

Reads to me like BFL's used their BDF to some other money laundering: http://www.bitcoindf.org/project/bitgive-22/

If you would like to donate or become a member of our charity selection board, please email submit@bitcoindf.org or send BTC to 1ERVh27gZfPSDaaagL9R3W12xpMJ38ZBA7.

[Gleb Gamow]

They are essentially a one way exchange in that anyone can open a merchant services account with bitpay, the customer can price something at the amount of bitcoin they wish to sell, then use their own bitcoin to pay for the sale. This would be very similar to how a merchant could potentially swipe their own credit card at their own CC terminal

Again, BitPay is not an exchange. They can ONLY process payments for customers that purchase a product or service off a website, et al. They can not convert BTC to fiat for you or me or even BFL, especially a million dollars worth week after week after week... which is exactly what BFL did just prior to them getting raided on September 19th.

To date, I've uncovered no less than $10M USD that BFL converted to fiat that was deposited into some bank controlled by BFL. BitPay may be able to explain away last year's $1M USD supposedly from HashTrade - which it wasn't - but that's it.

Hell, I'm staring at ~$4M USD missing in only a 30 day period from BFL's coffer. I'm sure so is the IRS and the FBI and the FTC and probably now the CIA, SEC, AAA and NASA (maybe not AAA). BF Labs Inc. has no idea what cans of worms they've opened up due to Sonny, et al.'s, actions. Yet, Josh came here today and tried to quell nerves about BFL's EMC, of which WILL soon be shut down thanks to their former actions.

#ASKFTC

How would bitpay ever know if a merchant is actually selling items to a customer when they process a transaction? I don't think it is possible as a company could simply use their own bitcoin to pay for their own product and then not ship the product to anyone. No one would ever complain about non-receipt of their goods. It would simply look like a large order as far as bitpay is concerned

EDIT: This would probably actually be a good thing considering that the bank accounts that BFL controls are under the control of the FTC receiver now, while it would be impossible/difficult to be able to control all the private keys of BFL with any amount of certainty

To address what's in bold, BitPay could've easily surmised that something's afoot when weekly purchases(?) were made from BFL in nice round BTC figures, unlike most all other purchases in the past, with the exception of the infamous $1M USD from HashTrade that BFL would have had to let BitPay know what it was for otherwise BitPay wouldn't have been able to release the press release espousing such.

Only BitPay and BFL know for sure that the same bank - Harris - was used for all those ~million-dollar transactions.

#ASKFTC

[MineForeman.com]

Instead of calling it FUD, how 'bout just letting me know where I erred?

http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/d8dd8fcafb08ba5c = 1ERVh27gZfPSDaaagL9R3W12xpMJ38ZBA7

What you are looking at are taints, they are coins that can be associated with addresses that have been tagged by someone as belonging to someone (probably someone else, why would you tag your own coins after all).

It is kind of like Chinese whispers with bitcoins.  A good example would be the 20k bitcoin Pizza deal.  A vast majority of bitcoins are now tainted by that transaction, that means that fairly much anyone can trace the inputs of their coins back to that pizza.

It does not mean they ate it though.

Neil

P.S. You going on to using people using the same name-server as some sort of "evidence" shows you have absolutely no idea what your doing.

[HobbzHobbleton]

So, essentially bitpay only performs certain jobs that a full exchange does, and not the full spectrum. This argument brings us to a question.... What truly defines an "exchange"? Surely there are other sites and programs that provide more of the spectrum than others, yet many opf the ones that are lacking are still considered "exchanges". I mean technically isn't it an exchange by definition just by providing the possibility of purchasing goods and services for a currency?  i mean there is an "exchange" happening in that equation.

[Gleb Gamow]

Instead of calling it FUD, how 'bout just letting me know where I erred?

http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/d8dd8fcafb08ba5c = 1ERVh27gZfPSDaaagL9R3W12xpMJ38ZBA7

What you are looking at are taints, they are coins that can be associated with addresses that have been tagged by someone as belonging to someone (probably someone else, why would you tag your own coins after all).

It is kind of like Chinese whispers with bitcoins.  A good example would be the 20k bitcoin Pizza deal.  A vast majority of bitcoins are now tainted by that transaction, that means that fairly much anyone can trace the inputs of their coins back to that pizza.

It does not mean they ate it though.

Neil

P.S. You going on to using people using the same name-server as some sort of "evidence" shows you have absolutely no idea what your doing.

For a person who doesn't know what they're doing, I sure the hell seem to keep getting a lot of traction.

I easily forgave you the first time you tried to shove it up my ass, but there won't be a second time, for you're showing the same fuckin' characteristics as Josh Zerlan, opting to not even get into an intelligent conversation with me showing me where I fucked up, whereupon I would have easily backed down. Now, thanks to your actions, you're on the radar of the dude that has absolutely no idea what he's doing. Well-played! I suggest you quit using Josh Zerlan's playbook while you're still allowed on the field, for it's riddled with errors.

[Gleb Gamow]

So, essentially bitpay only performs certain jobs that a full exchange does, and not the full spectrum. This argument brings us to a question.... What truly defines an "exchange"? Surely there are other sites and programs that provide more of the spectrum than others, yet many opf the ones that are lacking are still considered "exchanges". I mean technically isn't it an exchange by definition just by providing the possibility of purchasing goods and services for a currency?  i mean there is an "exchange" happening in that equation.

BitPay's business model is govern by the laws of the US stating exactly what they can and can not do. Acting as a clearing house for BTC to fiat stemming from the sales of services or products is all they're allowed to do, where they even stated that they CAN NOT exchange BTC for fiat when a service or product is not part of the equation. Hell, even some bitcoiners got arrested doing the Local Bitcoins thing on the street. Since BitPay is in an office, does the exact same practice now make it legal? Of course not. And, we're not takin' several tens of grand here. We're talkin' millions within a 30 day period, easily over ten million over the course of the past year. This is a fact!

#ASKFTC

[MineForeman.com]

I easily forgave you the first time you tried to shove it up my ass, but there won't be a second time, for you're showing the same fuckin' characteristics as Josh Zerlan, opting to not even get into an intelligent conversation with me showing me where I fucked up, whereupon I would have easily backed down. Now, thanks to your actions, you're on the radar of the dude that has absolutely no idea what he's doing. Well-played! I suggest you quit using Josh Zerlan's playbook while you're still allowed on the field, for it's riddled with errors.

You're a fool.

You have absolutely no idea what your doing.

And now you threatening me.

Just make sure any "evidence" you come up with is better than your normal shit.

Neil

[Gleb Gamow]

I easily forgave you the first time you tried to shove it up my ass, but there won't be a second time, for you're showing the same fuckin' characteristics as Josh Zerlan, opting to not even get into an intelligent conversation with me showing me where I fucked up, whereupon I would have easily backed down. Now, thanks to your actions, you're on the radar of the dude that has absolutely no idea what he's doing. Well-played! I suggest you quit using Josh Zerlan's playbook while you're still allowed on the field, for it's riddled with errors.

You're a fool.

You have absolutely no idea what your doing.

And now you threatening me.

Just make sure any "evidence" you come up with is better than your normal shit.

Neil

Jesus motherfuckin' Christ! Listen to yourself. You came here and made a point. I kindly disputed your claim paying it no further mind. You came back here to further stick it up my ass. I replied in kind. Now, you come here and claim I'm threatening you, of which is NOT THE FUCKIN' CASE, but for sake of argument, if I were, how the fuck in your mind would I be able to pull off any threat when I don't know what the fuck I'm doing? Hell, with your logic I shouldn't be able to find the door to leave my home, let alone be able to hunt down the driveway.

I had no issues with you. NADA! Yet you have with me. Over what? Trying to advance Bitcoin to better your position. Your welcome. Now go fuck yourself!

BTW, you're still on my radar.

#ASKFTC

PS: Thanks for bumping the thread that you're logical mind is trying to squash. Well-played! Again, toss out that Josh Zerlan's playbook. It filled with errors as I've already informed you.

[MineForeman.com]

I easily forgave you the first time you tried to shove it up my ass, but there won't be a second time, for you're showing the same fuckin' characteristics as Josh Zerlan, opting to not even get into an intelligent conversation with me showing me where I fucked up, whereupon I would have easily backed down. Now, thanks to your actions, you're on the radar of the dude that has absolutely no idea what he's doing. Well-played! I suggest you quit using Josh Zerlan's playbook while you're still allowed on the field, for it's riddled with errors.

You're a fool.

You have absolutely no idea what your doing.

And now you threatening me.

Just make sure any "evidence" you come up with is better than your normal shit.

Neil

Jesus motherfuckin' Christ! Listen to yourself. You came here and made a point. I kindly disputed your claim paying it no further mind. You came back here to further stick it up my ass. I replied in kind. Now, you come here and claim I'm threatening you, of which is NOT THE FUCKIN' CASE, but for sake of argument, if I were, how the fuck in your mind would I be able to pull off any threat when I don't know what the fuck I'm doing? Hell, we your logic I shouldn't be able to find the door to leave my home, let alone be able to hunt down the driveway.

I had no issues with you. NADA! Yet you have with me. Over what? Trying to advance Bitcoin to better your position. Your welcome. Now go fuck yourself!

BTW, you're still on my radar.

#ASKFTC

Fool

[Gleb Gamow]

I easily forgave you the first time you tried to shove it up my ass, but there won't be a second time, for you're showing the same fuckin' characteristics as Josh Zerlan, opting to not even get into an intelligent conversation with me showing me where I fucked up, whereupon I would have easily backed down. Now, thanks to your actions, you're on the radar of the dude that has absolutely no idea what he's doing. Well-played! I suggest you quit using Josh Zerlan's playbook while you're still allowed on the field, for it's riddled with errors.

You're a fool.

You have absolutely no idea what your doing.

And now you threatening me.

Just make sure any "evidence" you come up with is better than your normal shit.

Neil

Jesus motherfuckin' Christ! Listen to yourself. You came here and made a point. I kindly disputed your claim paying it no further mind. You came back here to further stick it up my ass. I replied in kind. Now, you come here and claim I'm threatening you, of which is NOT THE FUCKIN' CASE, but for sake of argument, if I were, how the fuck in your mind would I be able to pull off any threat when I don't know what the fuck I'm doing? Hell, we your logic I shouldn't be able to find the door to leave my home, let alone be able to hunt down the driveway.

I had no issues with you. NADA! Yet you have with me. Over what? Trying to advance Bitcoin to better your position. Your welcome. Now go fuck yourself!

BTW, you're still on my radar.

#ASKFTC

Fool

Please include an image when you refer to me as such. It has more impact that way.

[MineForeman.com]

I easily forgave you the first time you tried to shove it up my ass, but there won't be a second time, for you're showing the same fuckin' characteristics as Josh Zerlan, opting to not even get into an intelligent conversation with me showing me where I fucked up, whereupon I would have easily backed down. Now, thanks to your actions, you're on the radar of the dude that has absolutely no idea what he's doing. Well-played! I suggest you quit using Josh Zerlan's playbook while you're still allowed on the field, for it's riddled with errors.

You're a fool.

You have absolutely no idea what your doing.

And now you threatening me.

Just make sure any "evidence" you come up with is better than your normal shit.

Neil

Jesus motherfuckin' Christ! Listen to yourself. You came here and made a point. I kindly disputed your claim paying it no further mind. You came back here to further stick it up my ass. I replied in kind. Now, you come here and claim I'm threatening you, of which is NOT THE FUCKIN' CASE, but for sake of argument, if I were, how the fuck in your mind would I be able to pull off any threat when I don't know what the fuck I'm doing? Hell, we your logic I shouldn't be able to find the door to leave my home, let alone be able to hunt down the driveway.

I had no issues with you. NADA! Yet you have with me. Over what? Trying to advance Bitcoin to better your position. Your welcome. Now go fuck yourself!

BTW, you're still on my radar.

#ASKFTC

Fool

Please include an image when you refer to me as such. It has more impact that way.

You have no idea about what you speak, your thread title is an outright lie, and yes, your shit stinks.

[Gleb Gamow]

Instead of calling it FUD, how 'bout just letting me know where I erred?

http://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/d8dd8fcafb08ba5c = 1ERVh27gZfPSDaaagL9R3W12xpMJ38ZBA7

What you are looking at are taints, they are coins that can be associated with addresses that have been tagged by someone as belonging to someone (probably someone else, why would you tag your own coins after all).

It is kind of like Chinese whispers with bitcoins.  A good example would be the 20k bitcoin Pizza deal.  A vast majority of bitcoins are now tainted by that transaction, that means that fairly much anyone can trace the inputs of their coins back to that pizza.

It does not mean they ate it though.

Neil

P.S. You going on to using people using the same name-server as some sort of "evidence" shows you have absolutely no idea what your doing.

The FTC froze ~$1.2M USD in BFL's bank account: http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.23.0.pdf

2. On or about September 19, 2014, BFL’s bank account with BMO Harris Bank N.A. (“BMO Account”) was frozen, along with other assets. The BMO Account contains
approximately $1.2 million.

Let's see if the cash adds up, shall we? Skip to the end of this post to find out and check my maths, otherwise enjoy the screenshots that I've put so much effort into for your viewing pleasure.  

http://www.walletexplorer.com/address/1LBEfBCDrwQyxL4yGxZ14Y3uZ37UdBEzK5



https://blockchain.info/address/1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs


$671,385 USD (1500 BTC) on 2014-09-17 20:17:27 (less than 24 hours prior to the FTC on BFL)


$1,188,650 USD (2500 BTC) on 2014-09-10 01:15:24


$1,219,950 USD (2500 BTC) on 2014-09-04 20:41:25


$765,780 USD (1500 BTC) on 2014-08-26 21:14:52


$1,206,606 USD (2300 BTC) on 2014-08-21 17:57:45


$496,000 USD (1000 BTC) on 2014-08-15 19:10:14


$293,032 USD (499 BTC) on 2014-08-07 18:03:04

I only screenshot the 1LBEfBCDrwQyxL4yGxZ14Y3uZ37UdBEzK5 BWA, a known BitPay BWA, ignoring the other addresses surpassing $2M USD that BF Labs Inc. liquidated during the same time period, ALSO along with the millions of dollars liquidated prior to the last tx depicted above, thus only checking if the sum in BFL's bank account is close to what was converted to fiat approximately a month prior to the FTC raid forward. Please, I beg you, check my maths, for I've been known to error.  

$671,385
$1,188,650
$1,219,950
$765,780
$1,206,606
$496,000
$293,032  
$1.2M(+change)

Well, that was a total waste of time! The figures add up and most every penny/satoshi is accounted for. I would have sworn that the figure would've been $5,841,403 thus providing an argument for money laundering on BFL's part, but guess I was mistaken. Apologies!  

#ASKFTC

When I'm wrong, I admit I'm wrong. Ergo, I was wrong. It didn't occur to me that what I uncovered were only TAINTS. Millions of dollars worth of TAINTS, some of which transacted on the weekend and late at night when most TAINTS occur oppose during normal business hours when Jody Drake, et al., are in the office. It's those types of transactions I should be looking for.

I sure the hell am glad you're on my side and duly hope you accept my apology with thinking that you're an asshole.

PS: Sometimes I pen shit that TAINT real.  

PSS: And, thanks again for the bumps. This is an excellent game when you play by the same rules that BFL plays by. If only I knew what the fuck I was doing instead of being a fool and all.

#ASKFTC

[HobbzHobbleton]

LOL well now, that escalated quickly.

[Gleb Gamow]

I easily forgave you the first time you tried to shove it up my ass, but there won't be a second time, for you're showing the same fuckin' characteristics as Josh Zerlan, opting to not even get into an intelligent conversation with me showing me where I fucked up, whereupon I would have easily backed down. Now, thanks to your actions, you're on the radar of the dude that has absolutely no idea what he's doing. Well-played! I suggest you quit using Josh Zerlan's playbook while you're still allowed on the field, for it's riddled with errors.

You're a fool.

You have absolutely no idea what your doing.

And now you threatening me.

Just make sure any "evidence" you come up with is better than your normal shit.

Neil

Jesus motherfuckin' Christ! Listen to yourself. You came here and made a point. I kindly disputed your claim paying it no further mind. You came back here to further stick it up my ass. I replied in kind. Now, you come here and claim I'm threatening you, of which is NOT THE FUCKIN' CASE, but for sake of argument, if I were, how the fuck in your mind would I be able to pull off any threat when I don't know what the fuck I'm doing? Hell, we your logic I shouldn't be able to find the door to leave my home, let alone be able to hunt down the driveway.

I had no issues with you. NADA! Yet you have with me. Over what? Trying to advance Bitcoin to better your position. Your welcome. Now go fuck yourself!

BTW, you're still on my radar.

#ASKFTC

Fool

Please include an image when you refer to me as such. It has more impact that way.

You have no idea about what you speak, your thread title is an outright lie, and yes, your shit stinks.

Excuse me, but if you would've read the OP you would've realized that the title is not necessarily a lie but sarcasm thanks to a Bitcoiner using the same playbook trying to stick it up my ass in another thread. Apologies for trying to drive the point home and garner media attention, the same media attention that's still trying to be garnered pertaining to KnC's bogus $100,000 USD payment to TBF, making this claim ten times worse. In fact, now 100 times worse we're easily pass the $10M mark that BFL laundered through BitPay.

I have an excellent idea. Why don't you take the time to disprove that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA does indeed belong to HashTrade and not BFL, ergo wasn't being used for money laundering and I will leave this forum for good. I've already offered up the same proposal to SLok and Josh Zerlan, but so far they've opted to not take up the mantle, thus giving you the unique opportunity to outshine them two assholes.

Deal?

#ASKFTC

[Gleb Gamow]

LOL well now, that escalated quickly.

Thanks for the bump. You're now on my radar!  Only kidding, bud.

[MineForeman.com]

I have an excellent idea. Why don't you take the time to disprove that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA does indeed belong to HashTrade and not BFL, ergo wasn't being used for money laundering and I will leave this forum for good. I've already offered up the same proposal to SLok and Josh Zerlan, but so far they've opted to not take up the mantle, thus giving you the unique opportunity to outshine them two assholes.

Deal?

#ASKFTC

Your an idiot.

Why do I have to go around proving meaningless stuff to you?  Your the one making unfounded allegations, prove your own stuff.  You will find me a lot more agreeable that way.

I particularly dislike how you mislead newbies with this stuff, how many people have gone away with the erroneous thoughts you have expressed in this thread.

[Gleb Gamow]

I have an excellent idea. Why don't you take the time to disprove that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA does indeed belong to HashTrade and not BFL, ergo wasn't being used for money laundering and I will leave this forum for good. I've already offered up the same proposal to SLok and Josh Zerlan, but so far they've opted to not take up the mantle, thus giving you the unique opportunity to outshine them two assholes.

Deal?

#ASKFTC

Your an idiot.

Why do I have to go around proving meaningless stuff to you?  Your the one making unfounded allegations, prove your own stuff.  You will find me a lot more agreeable that way.

I particularly dislike how you mislead newbies with this stuff, how many people have gone away with the erroneous thoughts you have expressed in this thread.

What the fuck are you talkin' 'bout? You dislike me misleading newbies with factual stuff, whatever the fuck that's suppose to mean, but you're 100% comfortable with BFL's actions to date. One of us is 100% fucked up in the head, and it ain't the dude penning this post.

I've already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA truly does belong to BFL and not HashTrade, with your and mine - OUR - peers more-or-less verifying such.


Sonny Vleisides' personal site, and not BFL's: https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/

It's also a 100% fact that the above was gleaned by Sonny Vleisides' site and the address depicted goes to the 1QAH... BWA that was misrepresented by HashTrade as paying BFL via BitPay $1M USD last October 21, 2013, for Monarchs that HashTrade stated in the press release would be available by the end of the year, 2103, and not 2014, now never, hence the FTC's actions.

BTW, the house depicted is the one purchased by BFL of which Sonny Vleisides lives in. If this is not 100% factual, I will leave this forum and never return.

I say that's pretty fuckin' good detective work stemming from a fool such as I, but sadly you've positioned yourself in the opposing camp, which makes everything you're involved in at risk. Of which to that I say makes you the fuckin' idiot for trying to paint me in some unfavorable light oppose to keeping your fuckin' trap shut or, at the very least, of which I kindly requested, engage in an intelligent debate, in which I would have easily backed down.

That said, now about that threatening aspect you mentioned earlier that didn't occur. You can now safely assume that I'm threatening any endeavor you're involved in because you, my friend, are proving yourself untrustworthy due to the simple fact you have aligned yourself with the wrong crowd - BFL, et al. Again, well-played and genius!

#ASKFTC

PS: Where the fuck did you go? You were doing so well and almost had me and my newbie friends convinced that you were right and that I was wrong. SO FUCKIN' CLOSE, BUT NO CIGAR!

[MineForeman.com]

I have an excellent idea. Why don't you take the time to disprove that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA does indeed belong to HashTrade and not BFL, ergo wasn't being used for money laundering and I will leave this forum for good. I've already offered up the same proposal to SLok and Josh Zerlan, but so far they've opted to not take up the mantle, thus giving you the unique opportunity to outshine them two assholes.

Deal?

#ASKFTC

Your an idiot.

Why do I have to go around proving meaningless stuff to you?  Your the one making unfounded allegations, prove your own stuff.  You will find me a lot more agreeable that way.

I particularly dislike how you mislead newbies with this stuff, how many people have gone away with the erroneous thoughts you have expressed in this thread.

What the fuck are you talkin' 'bout? You dislike me misleading newbies with factual stuff, whatever the fuck that's suppose to mean, but you're 100% comfortable with BFL's actions to date. One of us is 100% fucked up in the head, and it ain't the dude penning this post.

I've already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA truly does belong to BFL and not HashTrade, with your and mine - OUR - peers more-or-less verifying such.


Sonny Vleisides' personal site, and not BFL's: https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/

It's also a 100% fact that the above was gleaned by Sonny Vleisides' site and the address depicted goes to the 1QAH... BWA that was misrepresented by HashTrade as paying BFL via BitPay $1M USD last October 21, 2013, for Monarchs that HashTrade stated in the press release would be available by the end of the year, 2103, and not 2014, now never, hence the FTC's actions.

BTW, the house depicted is the one purchased by BFL of which Sonny Vleisides lives in. If this is not 100% factual, I will leave this forum and never return.

I say that's pretty fuckin' good detective work stemming from a fool such as I, but sadly you've positioned yourself in the opposing camp, which makes everything you're involved in at risk. Of which to that I say makes you the fuckin' idiot for trying to paint me in some unfavorable light oppose to keeping your fuckin' trap shut or, at the very least, of which I kindly requested, engage in an intelligent debate, in which I would have easily backed down.

That said, now about that threatening aspect you mentioned earlier that didn't occur. You can now safely assume that I'm threatening any endeavor you're involved in because you, my friend, are proving yourself untrustworthy due to the simple fact you have aligned yourself with the wrong crowd - BFL, et al. Again, well-played and genius!

#ASKFTC

PS: Where the fuck did you go? You were doing so well and almost had me and my newbie friends convinced that you were right and that I was wrong. SO FUCKIN' CLOSE, BUT NO CIGAR!

You haven't proved squat, all you have is a circumstantial chain of hearsay.

[Gleb Gamow]

I have an excellent idea. Why don't you take the time to disprove that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA does indeed belong to HashTrade and not BFL, ergo wasn't being used for money laundering and I will leave this forum for good. I've already offered up the same proposal to SLok and Josh Zerlan, but so far they've opted to not take up the mantle, thus giving you the unique opportunity to outshine them two assholes.

Deal?

#ASKFTC

Your an idiot.

Why do I have to go around proving meaningless stuff to you?  Your the one making unfounded allegations, prove your own stuff.  You will find me a lot more agreeable that way.

I particularly dislike how you mislead newbies with this stuff, how many people have gone away with the erroneous thoughts you have expressed in this thread.

What the fuck are you talkin' 'bout? You dislike me misleading newbies with factual stuff, whatever the fuck that's suppose to mean, but you're 100% comfortable with BFL's actions to date. One of us is 100% fucked up in the head, and it ain't the dude penning this post.

I've already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 1QAHVyRzkmD4j1pU5W89htZ3c6D6E7iWDs BWA truly does belong to BFL and not HashTrade, with your and mine - OUR - peers more-or-less verifying such.


Sonny Vleisides' personal site, and not BFL's: https://web.archive.org/web/20130625050854/http://sonofodi.weebly.com/

It's also a 100% fact that the above was gleaned by Sonny Vleisides' site and the address depicted goes to the 1QAH... BWA that was misrepresented by HashTrade as paying BFL via BitPay $1M USD last October 21, 2013, for Monarchs that HashTrade stated in the press release would be available by the end of the year, 2103, and not 2014, now never, hence the FTC's actions.

BTW, the house depicted is the one purchased by BFL of which Sonny Vleisides lives in. If this is not 100% factual, I will leave this forum and never return.

I say that's pretty fuckin' good detective work stemming from a fool such as I, but sadly you've positioned yourself in the opposing camp, which makes everything you're involved in at risk. Of which to that I say makes you the fuckin' idiot for trying to paint me in some unfavorable light oppose to keeping your fuckin' trap shut or, at the very least, of which I kindly requested, engage in an intelligent debate, in which I would have easily backed down.

That said, now about that threatening aspect you mentioned earlier that didn't occur. You can now safely assume that I'm threatening any endeavor you're involved in because you, my friend, are proving yourself untrustworthy due to the simple fact you have aligned yourself with the wrong crowd - BFL, et al. Again, well-played and genius!

#ASKFTC

PS: Where the fuck did you go? You were doing so well and almost had me and my newbie friends convinced that you were right and that I was wrong. SO FUCKIN' CLOSE, BUT NO CIGAR!

You haven't proved squat, all you have is a circumstantial chain of hearsay.

http://sonnyvleisides.wordpress.com/author/sonofodi/

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You haven't proved squat, all you have is a circumstantial chain of hearsay.

http://sonnyvleisides.wordpress.com/author/sonofodi/

I could make a wordpress site saying that Obama was the man on the moon.  Would you believe me?

Fool