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November 03, 2014, 03:15:58 PM
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War. Torture. The NSA. And Jerusalem? The American president's addiction to king-like power must end.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/03/american-president-power-supreme-court-case-jerusalem

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November 03, 2014, 03:19:33 PM
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YES! Down with the kenyan muslim arabic terrorist president who isn't American!
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November 03, 2014, 03:23:14 PM
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Not that I totally disagree with the expanding power of the presidency, but it is ironic that the story comes from a country with an actual monarchy.  Cheesy

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November 03, 2014, 04:12:56 PM
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Not that I totally disagree with the expanding power of the presidency, but it is ironic that the story comes from a country with an actual monarchy.  Cheesy

The author is American, though:

"Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of the School of Law at the University of California, Irvine, is the author of The Case Against the Supreme Court."
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November 03, 2014, 05:44:09 PM
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Not that I totally disagree with the expanding power of the presidency, but it is ironic that the story comes from a country with an actual monarchy.  Cheesy

The author is American, though:

"Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of the School of Law at the University of California, Irvine, is the author of The Case Against the Supreme Court."

There would probably be consequences for any American media publishing an article like this, like restricting access and such. We've seen this Administration be downright hostile with the media.

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November 04, 2014, 01:26:08 AM
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Not that I totally disagree with the expanding power of the presidency, but it is ironic that the story comes from a country with an actual monarchy.  Cheesy

The author is American, though:

"Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of the School of Law at the University of California, Irvine, is the author of The Case Against the Supreme Court."

There would probably be consequences for any American media publishing an article like this, like restricting access and such. We've seen this Administration be downright hostile with the media.

Hell of a thing to say, isn't it?

And to think these shmucks voted the guy in.

Well, some of us warned ya.
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November 04, 2014, 03:13:26 AM
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You halfwits voted in George Bush twice and now Obama, you seriously have no one to blame but yourselves, it's one thing for people who didn't vote to complain about these people because they didn't have anything to do with getting them elected but when you see the same people who were talking about how great these people were then you have to ask yourself whether they really want to fix their own country.

The answer to that is of course, no, they don't, they're happy as long as they get their fucking pensions with money they stole from their own children and grandchildren through debt.
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November 04, 2014, 08:18:58 PM
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YES! Down with the kenyan muslim arabic terrorist president who isn't American!
I can't help but wonder about his legacy, after his 8 years he's out, can we then find out some of the background mystery data?

Kind of like cans of SPAM.  You always wonder, what is that mystery meat?
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November 04, 2014, 08:42:03 PM
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President Andrew Jackson came before Obama.  Jackson was also Democrat  Grin

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November 04, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
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YES! Down with the kenyan muslim arabic terrorist president who isn't American!
I can't help but wonder about his legacy, after his 8 years he's out, can we then find out some of the background mystery data?

Kind of like cans of SPAM.  You always wonder, what is that mystery meat?

Are you referring to where he was born? Because that's such a toothless conspiracy theory.

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November 04, 2014, 11:28:21 PM
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YES! Down with the kenyan muslim arabic terrorist president who isn't American!
I can't help but wonder about his legacy, after his 8 years he's out, can we then find out some of the background mystery data?

Kind of like cans of SPAM.  You always wonder, what is that mystery meat?

Are you referring to where he was born? Because that's such a toothless conspiracy theory.

Where the money for college came from.

Why nobody - nobody - at Columbia remembers him.

What his actual grades were.

Details about his trip to Pakistan during college.

Specific details about his passport.

Why no old girlfriends exist.

You want more?

There is no toothless conspiracy theory here, there is an actual conspiracy to keep personal background secret, of a scale unprecedented in any of the American presidents.
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November 05, 2014, 05:07:29 PM
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YES! Down with the kenyan muslim arabic terrorist president who isn't American!
I can't help but wonder about his legacy, after his 8 years he's out, can we then find out some of the background mystery data?

Kind of like cans of SPAM.  You always wonder, what is that mystery meat?

Are you referring to where he was born? Because that's such a toothless conspiracy theory.

Where the money for college came from.

Why nobody - nobody - at Columbia remembers him.

What his actual grades were.

Details about his trip to Pakistan during college.

Specific details about his passport.

Why no old girlfriends exist.

You want more?

There is no toothless conspiracy theory here, there is an actual conspiracy to keep personal background secret, of a scale unprecedented in any of the American presidents.

There's no teeth in this. All of this is so old, the only people still holding on to it are sad old neo-cons in hopes that the liberal devil is the boogey man they really, really wish super hard for him to be.

'How come no one can find if he ever had a girlfriend, hmmMMMMMM?!

Yeah, that's a real credible concern we should be trying to get to the bottom of straight away!   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

No, I don't want more. I've already seen the quality you've provided so far, and I've had quite enough.

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November 06, 2014, 12:30:18 AM
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YES! Down with the kenyan muslim arabic terrorist president who isn't American!
I can't help but wonder about his legacy, after his 8 years he's out, can we then find out some of the background mystery data?

Kind of like cans of SPAM.  You always wonder, what is that mystery meat?

Are you referring to where he was born? Because that's such a toothless conspiracy theory.

Where the money for college came from.

Why nobody - nobody - at Columbia remembers him.

What his actual grades were.

Details about his trip to Pakistan during college.

Specific details about his passport.

Why no old girlfriends exist.

You want more?

There is no toothless conspiracy theory here, there is an actual conspiracy to keep personal background secret, of a scale unprecedented in any of the American presidents.

There's no teeth in this. All of this is so old, the only people still holding on to it are sad old neo-cons in hopes that the liberal devil is the boogey man they really, really wish super hard for him to be.

'How come no one can find if he ever had a girlfriend, hmmMMMMMM?!

Yeah, that's a real credible concern we should be trying to get to the bottom of straight away!   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

No, I don't want more. I've already seen the quality you've provided so far, and I've had quite enough.
I'm not quite sure what you are saying.  FACT.  Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history.

You can't deny that.  I think what you are saying is "It doesn't matter."  Well, that wouldn't quite qualify someone with your attitude to review backgrounds and qualifications of 20 people for a job in the private sector, or make either reasonable or best decisions on such a matter.
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November 06, 2014, 04:41:48 AM
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YES! Down with the kenyan muslim arabic terrorist president who isn't American!
I can't help but wonder about his legacy, after his 8 years he's out, can we then find out some of the background mystery data?

Kind of like cans of SPAM.  You always wonder, what is that mystery meat?

The Media sent people to check w bush's college scores out, to compare them with kerry's... then silence. He had a higher score than kerry's. That is why they kept quiet.

The weirdest thing is it is impossible to do the same thing now as all of 0bama's school papers from colombia and harvard are sealed. What was he thinking? Was he an exceptional student? The first US black president and none of the media wanted to know. At least for his presidential library? It is as if no one cares.

The dude was doing cocaine while in new york back in the days, according to his own biography. Cocaine back then was not a cheap drug like crack. From whom was he getting all that money from? Colombia and harvard are not cheap.

Time to put my tinfoil hat back on. I will still wonder though.



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November 06, 2014, 05:27:38 AM
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Well the Republicans are celebrating tonight anyways
Won some Senate Seats and gained some House Seats
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29910542

Good old midterm elections

The Republicans have won control of the Senate in the US mid-term elections, increasing their power in the final two years of Barack Obama's presidency.

The Republicans also increased their grip on the House of Representatives and now control both chambers of Congress for the first time since 2006.

Republican Senator Mitch McConnell said the result was a vote against "a government people can no longer trust".

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November 06, 2014, 03:30:19 PM
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YES! Down with the kenyan muslim arabic terrorist president who isn't American!
I can't help but wonder about his legacy, after his 8 years he's out, can we then find out some of the background mystery data?

Kind of like cans of SPAM.  You always wonder, what is that mystery meat?

The Media sent people to check w bush's college scores out, to compare them with kerry's... then silence. He had a higher score than kerry's. That is why they kept quiet.

The weirdest thing is it is impossible to do the same thing now as all of 0bama's school papers from colombia and harvard are sealed. What was he thinking? Was he an exceptional student? The first US black president and none of the media wanted to know. At least for his presidential library? It is as if no one cares.

The dude was doing cocaine while in new york back in the days, according to his own biography. Cocaine back then was not a cheap drug like crack. From whom was he getting all that money from? Colombia and harvard are not cheap.

Time to put my tinfoil hat back on. I will still wonder though.




Right.  Deriding and ridiculing the asking of these questions can only be done by assuming a premise of some wacko conspiratorial theory.  That having actually not been made, that's a strawman argument.

The questions will not stop being asked.
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November 06, 2014, 03:33:38 PM
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I'm not quite sure what you are saying.  FACT.  Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history.

You can't deny that.  I think what you are saying is "It doesn't matter."  Well, that wouldn't quite qualify someone with your attitude to review backgrounds and qualifications of 20 people for a job in the private sector, or make either reasonable or best decisions on such a matter.

I'm saying you're ridiculous. FACT.

See, just because you slap "FACT" on something doesn't make it a fact.

For example, you stated an opinion: "Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history."

Justify this "fact" with sources and evidence, or just stop it.

I have no idea whatever the rest of your response was about, it was wholly unrelated to everything else in this thread.

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November 06, 2014, 03:42:22 PM
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I'm not quite sure what you are saying.  FACT.  Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history.

You can't deny that.  I think what you are saying is "It doesn't matter."  Well, that wouldn't quite qualify someone with your attitude to review backgrounds and qualifications of 20 people for a job in the private sector, or make either reasonable or best decisions on such a matter.

I'm saying you're ridiculous. FACT.

See, just because you slap "FACT" on something doesn't make it a fact.

For example, you stated an opinion: "Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history."

Justify this "fact" with sources and evidence, or just stop it.

I have no idea whatever the rest of your response was about, it was wholly unrelated to everything else in this thread.
Why not respond to the bolded section of my reply?
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November 06, 2014, 04:01:41 PM
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I'm not quite sure what you are saying.  FACT.  Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history.

You can't deny that.  I think what you are saying is "It doesn't matter."  Well, that wouldn't quite qualify someone with your attitude to review backgrounds and qualifications of 20 people for a job in the private sector, or make either reasonable or best decisions on such a matter.

I'm saying you're ridiculous. FACT.

See, just because you slap "FACT" on something doesn't make it a fact.

For example, you stated an opinion: "Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history."

Justify this "fact" with sources and evidence, or just stop it.

I have no idea whatever the rest of your response was about, it was wholly unrelated to everything else in this thread.
Why not respond to the bolded section of my reply?

I did. I bolded my answer to it since you missed it.

Now how about you get back on topic and justify all the opinions you're spouting off as fact.

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I'm not quite sure what you are saying.  FACT.  Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history.

You can't deny that.  I think what you are saying is "It doesn't matter."  Well, that wouldn't quite qualify someone with your attitude to review backgrounds and qualifications of 20 people for a job in the private sector, or make either reasonable or best decisions on such a matter.

I'm saying you're ridiculous. FACT.

See, just because you slap "FACT" on something doesn't make it a fact.

For example, you stated an opinion: "Obama has secreted away personal data to an extent unprecedented in the entire US POTUS history."

Justify this "fact" with sources and evidence, or just stop it.

I have no idea whatever the rest of your response was about, it was wholly unrelated to everything else in this thread.

From the WSJ in 2008:

Barack Obama makes his first campaign visit today to his alma mater, Columbia University. Just don't ask the prolific self-diarist to talk about his undergraduate days in Morningside Heights.

The Columbia years are a hole in the sprawling Obama hagiography. In his two published memoirs, the 47-year-old Democratic nominee barely mentions his experience there. He refuses to answer questions about Columbia and New York -- which, in this media age, serves only to raise more of them. Why not release his Columbia transcript? Why has his senior essay gone missing?

Now in our view, the college years shouldn't normally be used to judge a politician's fitness for office. We're not sure the transcripts of Al Gore, John Kerry and George W. Bush -- which showed them to be C students -- illuminated much for voters. The McCain campaign won't release his records, but we know he graduated at the bottom of his Naval Academy class.

But Mr. Obama is a case apart. His personal story, as told by him, made possible his rise from obscurity four years ago to possibly the White House. He doesn't have a long track record in government. We mainly have him in his own words. As any autobiographer, Mr. Obama played up certain chapters in his life -- perhaps even exaggerating his drug use in adolescence to drive home his theme of youthful alienation -- and ignored others. What's more, as acknowledged in "Dreams From My Father," Mr. Obama reconstructed conversations and gave some people pseudonyms or created "composite" characters.

Voters and the media are now exercising due diligence before Election Day, and they are meeting resistance from Mr. Obama in checking his past. Earlier this year, the AP tracked down Mr. Obama's New York-era roommate, "Sadik," in Seattle after the campaign refused to reveal his name. Sohale Siddiqi, his real name, confirmed Mr. Obama's account that he turned serious in New York and "stopped getting high." "We were both very lost," Mr. Siddiqi said. "We were both alienated, although he might not put it that way. He arrived disheveled and without a place to stay." For some reason the Obama camp wanted this to stay out of public view.

Such caginess is grist for speculation. Some think his transcript, if released, would reveal Mr. Obama as a mediocre student who benefited from racial preference. Yet he later graduated from Harvard Law School magna cum laude, so he knows how to get good grades. Others speculate about ties to the Black Students Organization, though students active then don't seem to remember him. And on the far reaches of the Web can be found conspiracies about former Carter national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, who became the candidate's "guru and controller" while at Columbia in the early 1980s. Mr. Brzezinski laughs, and tells us he doesn't "remember meeting him."

What can be said with some certainty is that Mr. Obama lived off campus while at Columbia in 1981-83 and made few friends. Fox News contacted some 400 of his classmates and found no one who remembered him. He had transferred from Occidental College in California after his sophomore year because, he told the Boston Globe in 1990, "I was concerned with urban issues and I wanted to be around more black folks in big cities." He got a degree in political science without honors. "For about two years there, I was just painfully alone and really not focused on anything, except maybe thinking a lot," he told his biographer David Mendell.

Put that way, his time at Columbia sounds unremarkable. Maybe that's what most pains a young memoirist and an ambitious politician who strains to make his life anything but unremarkable.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB122108881386721289

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The WSJ is not known for conspiracy theories. Maybe he was a very average student. Maybe not. What kind of financial aid did he get? Thousands of other questions. How come all those little details were VERY helpful and HISTORIC for every single president, but not him. All we know from him are what he told us from TWO autobiographies, from whom he won Two Grammy Awards!

Fact: those documents are not available to the public a.k.a. they are sealed...


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