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November 07, 2014, 05:11:46 PM
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November 07, 2014, 06:31:13 PM
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Fund managers need to have control of the funds in order to invest them where they think it's profitable.
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November 07, 2014, 07:16:48 PM
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Fund managers need to have control of the funds in order to invest them where they think it's profitable.

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November 08, 2014, 06:19:52 AM
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Fund managers need to have control of the funds in order to invest them where they think it's profitable.
This is exactly the problem with the OP's proposial. The reason people pay so much to hedge fund managers (via fees) is to allow people who have a lot of experience investing money to invest their money. If someone wanted to let the "community" invest their money for them then they would handle their investments themselves

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November 08, 2014, 08:15:40 AM
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There is an asset or two that do that on NXT Asset Exchange right now, and it's decentralized in the sense that the technology they run on is decentralized. However, that particular asset issuer is still a person or a company and could be thought of as a single point of failure.

The good news is they are working on a multisig solution now, which I think is scheduled to be included in the 1.5 release some time in January-February, which will at the very least function like it does in Bitcoin, but there is an ambitious plan to code a more advanced function to allow shareholders to exercise control over funds that go to the asset issuer account, so that the asset issuer could not spend those funds arbitrarily, but only after shareholders' majority vote to authorize this or that transaction (this can stop scammers to run with the funds they collected). Not sure how this function would be beneficial for a hedge fund use case which needs to execute trades on a regular basis, because voting on each trade is not practical, but for other assets this Phasing feature will be quite useful.
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November 08, 2014, 08:25:37 AM
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The folks at bithalo (http://bithalo.org/) are developing Python Contracts and automatic trading; eventually they expect features that will allow for "basically any agreement imaginable".

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November 09, 2014, 09:01:23 AM
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Instead of investing with fiat, you could use https://1broker.com to invest in stocks with bitcoin.

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November 09, 2014, 09:12:35 AM
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There is an asset or two that do that on NXT Asset Exchange right now, and it's decentralized in the sense that the technology they run on is decentralized. However, that particular asset issuer is still a person or a company and could be thought of as a single point of failure.

The good news is they are working on a multisig solution now, which I think is scheduled to be included in the 1.5 release some time in January-February, which will at the very least function like it does in Bitcoin, but there is an ambitious plan to code a more advanced function to allow shareholders to exercise control over funds that go to the asset issuer account, so that the asset issuer could not spend those funds arbitrarily, but only after shareholders' majority vote to authorize this or that transaction (this can stop scammers to run with the funds they collected). Not sure how this function would be beneficial for a hedge fund use case which needs to execute trades on a regular basis, because voting on each trade is not practical, but for other assets this Phasing feature will be quite useful.
Anything that mentions NXT (or any other PoS scamcoin) is almost certainly a bad investment.

The problem with the OP's proposal is that there is no reason to allow "the community" to decide which investments should be invested in. The reason why hedge fund managers are paid a lot of money is because they know what they are doing and have a lot of experience
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November 09, 2014, 10:07:27 AM
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There is an asset or two that do that on NXT Asset Exchange right now, and it's decentralized in the sense that the technology they run on is decentralized. However, that particular asset issuer is still a person or a company and could be thought of as a single point of failure.

The good news is they are working on a multisig solution now, which I think is scheduled to be included in the 1.5 release some time in January-February, which will at the very least function like it does in Bitcoin, but there is an ambitious plan to code a more advanced function to allow shareholders to exercise control over funds that go to the asset issuer account, so that the asset issuer could not spend those funds arbitrarily, but only after shareholders' majority vote to authorize this or that transaction (this can stop scammers to run with the funds they collected). Not sure how this function would be beneficial for a hedge fund use case which needs to execute trades on a regular basis, because voting on each trade is not practical, but for other assets this Phasing feature will be quite useful.
Anything that mentions NXT (or any other PoS scamcoin) is almost certainly a bad investment.

I can guesstimate you're a miner and/or early bitcoin adopter.
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November 10, 2014, 01:56:07 AM
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Fund managers need to have control of the funds in order to invest them where they think it's profitable.
This is exactly the problem. If everyone were to invest in the same investments then each of the investments then there would be no "edge" that the hedge fund could potentially earn from doing due dilligance into potential investments
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November 10, 2014, 03:49:43 AM
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I don't think OP knows what a hedge fund is.

Why is it that bitcoiners think "decentralized" is some magic word that makes everything better?
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November 12, 2014, 05:31:39 AM
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I don't think OP knows what a hedge fund is.

Why is it that bitcoiners think "decentralized" is some magic word that makes everything better?
I am not 100% sure, however I think it has something to do with the fact that bitcoin is both decentralized and has seen a huge amount of success.

I have seen a number of people post really crazy suggestions as to what they want to be decentralized that would really end up being disastrous 
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