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[dzimbeck]

Also diabolic makes up this retarded lie quote ("Pay me first and I'll do whatever it takes to make more money")

never once did i say anything at all like that ever. nice try.

[506b5075]

Oh and looks like Diabolic is Gekko. Hi Gekko. N00B account only came on Bitcointalk to discuss this. lol yeah and Gekko was even worse than Bob in so many mays. There is already more than enough proof of that. I doubt you guys need me to state the obvious even further.

So Gekko, if you want to really clear your name then come out into the light and try(that might be cryptos funniest joke of all time). Give out your full name, start being open about your involvement.

Without the risk of turning bitcointalk into 4chan

I think Gekko deservers a little bit of attention too, don't you guys?
https://m.facebook.com/ryanw2k

[Diabolic]

Also diabolic makes up this retarded lie quote ("Pay me first and I'll do whatever it takes to make more money")

never once did i say anything at all like that ever. nice try.

Zimbeck has entered "panic mode" and is now pointing random people as being shills and paid by Bob. What's next David? I've been in talks with a lot of members from Bob's team, including Gekko and other top players. None of the conversations need to be posted as you keep burying yourself. I've had people who refuse the reward I posted just because they want to see the truth out in public. Keep the logs coming.

[digicidal]

if you had read the logs, you will notice there was more than one long conversation where they assure me that it was not going to be a pump. Ive got at least 10 more just like the one you saw. I was talking to Steven for weeks before that. So dont tell me about the narrative. I asked many, many times about wether or not they were going to do this. If you mean by early one then yeah i started noticing once the ICO had already started. But each day got progressively worse.

OK... that's just making it worse then.  If you were so anti-pump... then basically you're saying you knew the investors were going to get the shaft and not even get an initial boost of value (artificial or otherwise).  Sorry man, I know you got played - but you got played while thinking it would be OK to play others the same way around - and you leveraged BC in the process - which is like kicking a horse that's already been turned into glue after being skinned alive.  You had the chance to walk (in early logs that you posted)... but you didn't.  You can't call that "protecting the investors" because we knew the risks when we bought in to a non-transparent ICO (and incidentally why I only lost handful of BTC on and it's not like I bought BTC ever).  On the other hand, some people have actually dumped their life savings into this crap... so for them it's not a high-risk gamble/game of chicken... it's deadly serious.

Who you were protecting was Bob, Gekko, Lin, Steven, and most importantly yourself.  

Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.    As a bit of advice however, I probably wouldn't keep posting logs - despite what I posted in the new thread, which got deleted immediately.  I guess a few BTCs and a lot of blind faith in you and "the team" still aren't worth even addressing any concerns from the people you took them from?   I do (though less every day I'm afraid) believe in the idea that decentralized currencies and markets offer.  However, I can't see backing anything you're involved in again - even if the only 'crime' you were guilty of was being stupid (which it wasn't).  Sorry about that.

[interstellar]

I think Gekko deservers a little bit of attention too, don't you guys?
https://m.facebook.com/ryanw2k

Hey what is Gekko's name on this forum?

[interstellar]

if you had read the logs, you will notice there was more than one long conversation where they assure me that it was not going to be a pump. Ive got at least 10 more just like the one you saw. I was talking to Steven for weeks before that. So dont tell me about the narrative. I asked many, many times about wether or not they were going to do this. If you mean by early one then yeah i started noticing once the ICO had already started. But each day got progressively worse.

Hey want some sympathy? Answer this:

How much bay do you have? Post the actual addresses so we can see if you sold any off?

How much BTC did you get from this in total? Screenshots of transactions for proof please.

Why is it you were okay with everyone getting 500-600BTC but only a small amount of that (a few hundred or whatever), going to actual development? No one should have been pocketing money for their own personal use. But you were fine with carving it up like a thanksgiving turkey. All of that is clear from the logs. This money was pegged for the development of BitBay, not whores, coke, weed, booze, cigarettes, penthouses in the sky, debt repayment, loan to mommy, BitHalo developers or whatever else you guys decided to use it for. YOU WERE COMPLICIT IN EVERYTHING. If the robbery goes bad and someone gets murdered, guess what, the driver in the car is going down for murder too.

[digicidal]

I think Gekko deservers a little bit of attention too, don't you guys?
https://m.facebook.com/ryanw2k

Hey what is Gekko's name on this forum?

"Mud" 

[dzimbeck]

if you had read the logs, you will notice there was more than one long conversation where they assure me that it was not going to be a pump. Ive got at least 10 more just like the one you saw. I was talking to Steven for weeks before that. So dont tell me about the narrative. I asked many, many times about wether or not they were going to do this. If you mean by early one then yeah i started noticing once the ICO had already started. But each day got progressively worse.

OK... that's just making it worse then.  If you were so anti-pump... then basically you're saying you knew the investors were going to get the shaft and not even get an initial boost of value (artificial or otherwise).  Sorry man, I know you got played - but you got played while thinking it would be OK to play others the same way around - and you leveraged BC in the process - which is like kicking a horse that's already been turned into glue after being skinned alive.  You had the chance to walk (in early logs that you posted)... but you didn't.  You can't call that "protecting the investors" because we knew the risks when we bought in to a non-transparent ICO (and incidentally why I only lost handful of BTC on and it's not like I bought BTC ever).  On the other hand, some people have actually dumped their life savings into this crap... so for them it's not a high-risk gamble/game of chicken... it's deadly serious.

Who you were protecting was Bob, Gekko, Lin, Steven, and most importantly yourself.  

Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.    As a bit of advice however, I probably wouldn't keep posting logs - despite what I posted in the new thread, which got deleted immediately.  I guess a few BTCs and a lot of blind faith in you and "the team" still aren't worth even addressing any concerns from the people you took them from?   I do (though less every day I'm afraid) believe in the idea that decentralized currencies and markets offer.  However, I can't see backing anything you're involved in again - even if the only 'crime' you were guilty of was being stupid (which it wasn't).  Sorry about that.

notice how i said each day got progressively worse? And trust me, there is no reason for me to post more on it. You dont want this to turn into 4chan lol.

I was protecting literally everyone. Mostly, i was unsure about how exactly to protect investors other than PEGGING the coin.

Going to elaborate here. Many logs already show my interest in protecting investors before the coin started. I asked as many questions i could. I should have used Halo hahahhaa if anything its proof my software should be used even in my own negotiations.

Which i still intend to do. The real question is, how to pick up those broken pieces, its a big distraction indeed from my coding.

[interstellar]

I think Gekko deservers a little bit of attention too, don't you guys?
https://m.facebook.com/ryanw2k

Hey what is Gekko's name on this forum?

"Mud" 

lol, everyone's name is mud. There need's to be a list somewhere at the top of the page of users to never do business with on this forum. And everyone involved in this coin should be at the top of that list.

[interstellar]

if you had read the logs, you will notice there was more than one long conversation where they assure me that it was not going to be a pump. Ive got at least 10 more just like the one you saw. I was talking to Steven for weeks before that. So dont tell me about the narrative. I asked many, many times about wether or not they were going to do this. If you mean by early one then yeah i started noticing once the ICO had already started. But each day got progressively worse.

OK... that's just making it worse then.  If you were so anti-pump... then basically you're saying you knew the investors were going to get the shaft and not even get an initial boost of value (artificial or otherwise).  Sorry man, I know you got played - but you got played while thinking it would be OK to play others the same way around - and you leveraged BC in the process - which is like kicking a horse that's already been turned into glue after being skinned alive.  You had the chance to walk (in early logs that you posted)... but you didn't.  You can't call that "protecting the investors" because we knew the risks when we bought in to a non-transparent ICO (and incidentally why I only lost handful of BTC on and it's not like I bought BTC ever).  On the other hand, some people have actually dumped their life savings into this crap... so for them it's not a high-risk gamble/game of chicken... it's deadly serious.

Who you were protecting was Bob, Gekko, Lin, Steven, and most importantly yourself.  

Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.    As a bit of advice however, I probably wouldn't keep posting logs - despite what I posted in the new thread, which got deleted immediately.  I guess a few BTCs and a lot of blind faith in you and "the team" still aren't worth even addressing any concerns from the people you took them from?   I do (though less every day I'm afraid) believe in the idea that decentralized currencies and markets offer.  However, I can't see backing anything you're involved in again - even if the only 'crime' you were guilty of was being stupid (which it wasn't).  Sorry about that.

notice how i said each day got progressively worse? And trust me, there is no reason for me to post more on it. You dont want this to turn into 4chan lol.

I was protecting literally everyone. Mostly, i was unsure about how exactly to protect investors other than PEGGING the coin.

Which i still intend to do. The real question is, how to pick up those broken pieces, its a big distraction indeed from my coding.

Stop with the bull and give some real answers:

How much bay do you have? Post the actual addresses so we can see if you sold any off?

How much BTC did you get from this in total? Screenshots of transactions for proof please.

You realize everything you keep from this venture is basically theft from the investors right?

[dzimbeck]

if you had read the logs, you will notice there was more than one long conversation where they assure me that it was not going to be a pump. Ive got at least 10 more just like the one you saw. I was talking to Steven for weeks before that. So dont tell me about the narrative. I asked many, many times about wether or not they were going to do this. If you mean by early one then yeah i started noticing once the ICO had already started. But each day got progressively worse.

Hey want some sympathy? Answer this:

How much bay do you have? Post the actual addresses so we can see if you sold any off?

How much BTC did you get from this in total? Screenshots of transactions for proof please.

Why is it you were okay with everyone getting 500-600BTC but only a small amount of that (a few hundred or whatever), going to actual development? No one should have been pocketing money for their own personal use. But you were fine with carving it up like a thanksgiving turkey. All of that is clear from the logs. This money was pegged for the development of BitBay, not whores, coke, weed, booze, cigarettes, penthouses in the sky, debt repayment, loan to mommy, BitHalo developers or whatever else you guys decided to use it for. YOU WERE COMPLICIT IN EVERYTHING. If the robbery goes bad and someone gets murdered, guess what, the driver in the car is going down for murder too.

The bay question has been stated many times, ive got 10%. Ive already shown that it has not been sold. There was no way in hell i was going to sell it. If anything it only made sense to pay bounties. But paying bounties in Bay was a slippery slope considering people might just sell it which is why i didnt consider it.

I wasnt comfortable with it. If you at the time of the chats you can see that i questioned them many times about that. They kept saying whatever they could to get me in the door.

And ive got lots more proof of me asking for devs on a daily basis.

What Gekko did do good was coordinate their contacts. We were in communication quite a bit and he was very responsive. There was actually some work being done on his end.

However, my requests for devs and project managers were ignored and i was told "only marketing matters" and other things later that seriously rang some alarms.

This was all after the fact. The ico had already started and i had to work with what i was given.

And as for complicity, the get away driver doesnt get in trouble when the robbers lie to get into his car and they all hold guns.

But, instead i utilized my own contacts to try and get those things. But it left me absolutely no free time at all. There wasnt a minute i was able to sit down and have free time. Not a single minute. In fact, it interfered with my eating and sleep.

[dzimbeck]

if you had read the logs, you will notice there was more than one long conversation where they assure me that it was not going to be a pump. Ive got at least 10 more just like the one you saw. I was talking to Steven for weeks before that. So dont tell me about the narrative. I asked many, many times about wether or not they were going to do this. If you mean by early one then yeah i started noticing once the ICO had already started. But each day got progressively worse.

OK... that's just making it worse then.  If you were so anti-pump... then basically you're saying you knew the investors were going to get the shaft and not even get an initial boost of value (artificial or otherwise).  Sorry man, I know you got played - but you got played while thinking it would be OK to play others the same way around - and you leveraged BC in the process - which is like kicking a horse that's already been turned into glue after being skinned alive.  You had the chance to walk (in early logs that you posted)... but you didn't.  You can't call that "protecting the investors" because we knew the risks when we bought in to a non-transparent ICO (and incidentally why I only lost handful of BTC on and it's not like I bought BTC ever).  On the other hand, some people have actually dumped their life savings into this crap... so for them it's not a high-risk gamble/game of chicken... it's deadly serious.

Who you were protecting was Bob, Gekko, Lin, Steven, and most importantly yourself.  

Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.    As a bit of advice however, I probably wouldn't keep posting logs - despite what I posted in the new thread, which got deleted immediately.  I guess a few BTCs and a lot of blind faith in you and "the team" still aren't worth even addressing any concerns from the people you took them from?   I do (though less every day I'm afraid) believe in the idea that decentralized currencies and markets offer.  However, I can't see backing anything you're involved in again - even if the only 'crime' you were guilty of was being stupid (which it wasn't).  Sorry about that.

notice how i said each day got progressively worse? And trust me, there is no reason for me to post more on it. You dont want this to turn into 4chan lol.

I was protecting literally everyone. Mostly, i was unsure about how exactly to protect investors other than PEGGING the coin.

Which i still intend to do. The real question is, how to pick up those broken pieces, its a big distraction indeed from my coding.

Stop with the bull and give some real answers:

How much bay do you have? Post the actual addresses so we can see if you sold any off?

How much BTC did you get from this in total? Screenshots of transactions for proof please.

You realize everything you keep from this venture is basically theft from the investors right?

Your questions were answered many times, go read all of the logs, i talked to a journalist already too. People knew during the ICO what i had because Bobs team came to me explaining he lied to them and didnt pay them. I showed them the rest of my Bay addresses. I'm happy to prove this moving forward.

What i would like to ask from you is a little bit of patience. I'm trying to pick up the pieces and its still my goal to peg the coin and protect investors. Its not an overnight process. I was preparing an official statement.

... AND if you look on the main thread you will see it was posted clearly chat log describing what everyone got. (This was learned after the ICO had finished and at that point I had no clue how to handle it)

[dzimbeck]

If you want those addresses made public, thats fine, but the question is where you want that posted. Otherwise im going to be babysitting bitcointalk which is an enormous waste of time.

Better i put something in r/Bitbay

[Diabolic]

As I see this mess after a quick reading, in short:

Bob and his merry bunch got out with scammed BTCs, BTER got their transaction fees? while David has been left holding the BitBay bag.

You are quite wrong indeed. Here is the breakdown:

Step 1: Steve knew David for over one year, they decided to make coin together to helps pay for David's debt. Steven (Chinese) has connections to Bter.

Step 2: Clone BlackCoin and copy BlackHalo to get investors money.

Step 3: They contacted Bob and his team to make their plan a success.

Step 4: Try to "protect the partners involved" to hide the scheme created by Zimbeck. Maybe nobody will find out?

Step 5: Pump the price and exit with all the free BitBay. Bobs revelation has prevented David from unloading, but he still will and plans to (or has he already?).

To anyone keeping track, David has been clearly lying and doing anything to cover his tracks, misleading words, and deception. Nobody should feel bad for him. He is the ring leader here and now he's upset because Bob made faster "moves" on the chess board. Zimbeck, the FUD is real this time. You have implicated yourself and have been clearly deceptive over the entire process. Many were burned in this scheme, including all of Bob's puppets (gekko, investors, your supporters, and most of the shills here). Whenever you try to point the finger is when it is time to look in the mirror. The "grand chess master" has been exposed for his greed.

BULLSHIT


[11/3/2014 6:14:44 PM] crypto.gekko: a coin is just a coin without a good developer.
[11/3/2014 6:14:52 PM] David Zimbeck: not at all good for my reputation
[11/3/2014 6:15:24 PM] crypto.gekko: This is what an investor is banking his money on. Your skills.
[11/3/2014 6:15:36 PM] David Zimbeck: yeah but somebody else profits
[11/3/2014 6:15:37 PM] crypto.gekko: Otherwise it's best to pay you for the work only.
[11/3/2014 6:15:39 PM] David Zimbeck: by using my name
[11/3/2014 6:15:51 PM] crypto.gekko: you are not the only one behind the coin.
[11/3/2014 6:16:04 PM] crypto.gekko: There will be an entire team behind you.
[11/3/2014 6:16:22 PM] David Zimbeck: yeah but that doesnt matter in the ICO phase
[11/3/2014 6:16:33 PM] crypto.gekko: That doesn't make sense to me
[11/3/2014 6:16:34 PM] David Zimbeck: you guys can just make a lot of BTC off the hype
[11/3/2014 6:16:48 PM] crypto.gekko: we could, sure. but that's not what this is about
[11/3/2014 6:16:53 PM] David Zimbeck: yes it is
[11/3/2014 6:17:00 PM] crypto.gekko: im sorry to hear that
[11/3/2014 6:17:19 PM] David Zimbeck: my name was used in the past by another coin
[11/3/2014 6:17:33 PM] David Zimbeck: and it was just to profit off my name
[11/3/2014 6:17:43 PM] crypto.gekko: The goal is bring this coin into the top 10 marketcap. We have the money and connections to do that.
[11/3/2014 6:17:49 PM] David Zimbeck: those kind of things are bad for me if I ever decide to start my own coin
[11/3/2014 6:18:06 PM] crypto.gekko: I would personally like this to be your coin.
[11/3/2014 6:18:52 PM] David Zimbeck: ok so i can attach my name to the coin if i get the btc up front
[11/3/2014 6:19:19 PM] crypto.gekko: Surely. And I'm willing to work with you in any way to make you happy.
[11/3/2014 6:19:25 PM] David Zimbeck: ok
[11/3/2014 6:20:13 PM] crypto.gekko: 30k is a lot of money, but I know your tech and support is worth every penny. Working together, the development is real and the money is real too.
[11/3/2014 6:20:26 PM] David Zimbeck: i believe my tech is worth a lot more
[11/3/2014 6:20:36 PM] David Zimbeck: i have turned down 30K before
[11/3/2014 6:21:03 PM] crypto.gekko: That's why our continued relationship would only bring more rewards.
[11/3/2014 6:21:07 PM] David Zimbeck: yeah
[11/3/2014 6:21:11 PM] David Zimbeck: thats the point
[11/3/2014 6:21:16 PM] David Zimbeck: im loyal everyone knows that
[11/3/2014 6:21:34 PM] crypto.gekko: The coin will have a large development pool. As you spend time to develop into the future, that money goes to you of course.
[11/3/2014 6:21:36 PM] David Zimbeck: you get more than you pay for
[11/3/2014 6:21:45 PM] David Zimbeck: since i can help your entire team
[11/3/2014 6:21:57 PM] crypto.gekko: indeed
[11/3/2014 6:22:21 PM] crypto.gekko: So what is the best way to move forward in your opinion?
[11/3/2014 6:22:45 PM] David Zimbeck: that all depends on you guys
[11/3/2014 6:22:57 PM] David Zimbeck: you know your schedule
[11/3/2014 6:23:14 PM] David Zimbeck: I can give you guys an address
[11/3/2014 6:24:09 PM] crypto.gekko: If you have trust in Lin and Steve and you are truly interested in making BitBay your "baby". I see no reason why you sholdnt take the bull by the horns.
[11/3/2014 6:24:36 PM] crypto.gekko: Otherwise, I will need to hire multiple devs and pay them as needed. You being one of them for your technology.
[11/3/2014 6:25:00 PM] David Zimbeck: I'm already doing that
[11/3/2014 6:25:13 PM] David Zimbeck: I work on Halo every day
[11/3/2014 6:25:33 PM] crypto.gekko: I think I have a better grip on the situation now.
[11/3/2014 6:26:04 PM] David Zimbeck: Basically when I wake up, I code. Then eat and sleep.
[11/3/2014 6:26:07 PM] David Zimbeck: lmao
[11/3/2014 6:26:27 PM] David Zimbeck: i also am training devs here in cambodia
[11/3/2014 6:26:28 PM] crypto.gekko: I do the same, but basically help other coins to make their tech a reality.
[11/3/2014 6:26:36 PM] David Zimbeck: i can train any of Lin or Steves devs
[11/3/2014 6:27:04 PM] crypto.gekko: Is the cost of that included in your initial payment?
[11/3/2014 6:27:20 PM] David Zimbeck: depends on what they ask me Cheesy
[11/3/2014 6:27:31 PM] crypto.gekko: So we will need to create a contract.
[11/3/2014 6:27:45 PM] David Zimbeck: A real contract on paper?
[11/3/2014 6:27:59 PM] crypto.gekko: Digital contract or smartcontract if needed.
[11/3/2014 6:28:21 PM] crypto.gekko: The details of which I will discuss when I meet with Steve and Lin in China next week.
[11/3/2014 6:28:53 PM] David Zimbeck: Just draft a contract on paper
[11/3/2014 6:29:07 PM] crypto.gekko: Sure, I'm fine with a simple record of notary.
[11/3/2014 6:29:18 PM] David Zimbeck: most important, i dont want my name attached to the project until the btc funds
[11/3/2014 6:29:30 PM] David Zimbeck: once it funds you can use my name
[11/3/2014 6:29:38 PM] crypto.gekko: that seems more a matter of trust to me
[11/3/2014 6:29:40 PM] David Zimbeck: i just wanted to make sure my name is not used for profit
[11/3/2014 6:30:03 PM] David Zimbeck: because it could harm my reputation otherwise

I read it. Looks like Gekko was trying to do something legit and Zimbeck says "Pay me first and I'll do whatever it takes to make more money".Zimbeck was quick to put a btc addy and take money upfront, shows how much he "cared" about the project. Such complete bullshit, agreed. Keep posting more logs, it adds fuel to the Christmas fire.

The thread above tells the tale for all those wondering what's going on with Zimbecks scheme.

[interstellar]

If you want those addresses made public, thats fine, but the question is where you want that posted. Otherwise im going to be babysitting bitcointalk which is an enormous waste of time.

Better i put something in r/Bitbay

Might as well post them here for public review like the logs and everything else. If you really never touched them then it will only strengthen your case. Because when it comes down to it, people are still suspicious that this is a money grab for you (it seems to be all about the money with these things and not the coin or the tech), so anything you can do to prove otherwise will help you perhaps improve your reputation and help you pick up the pieces.

[digicidal]

If you want those addresses made public, thats fine, but the question is where you want that posted. Otherwise im going to be babysitting bitcointalk which is an enormous waste of time.

Better i put something in r/Bitbay

Might as well post them here for public review like the logs and everything else. If you really never touched them then it will only strengthen your case. Because when it comes down to it, people are still suspicious that this is a money grab for you (it seems to be all about the money with these things and not the coin or the tech), so anything you can do to prove otherwise will help you perhaps improve your reputation and help you pick up the pieces.

This.

[interstellar]

As I see this mess after a quick reading, in short:

Bob and his merry bunch got out with scammed BTCs, BTER got their transaction fees? while David has been left holding the BitBay bag.

You are quite wrong indeed. Here is the breakdown:

Step 1: Steve knew David for over one year, they decided to make coin together to helps pay for David's debt. Steven (Chinese) has connections to Bter.

Step 2: Clone BlackCoin and copy BlackHalo to get investors money.

Step 3: They contacted Bob and his team to make their plan a success.

Step 4: Try to "protect the partners involved" to hide the scheme created by Zimbeck. Maybe nobody will find out?

Step 5: Pump the price and exit with all the free BitBay. Bobs revelation has prevented David from unloading, but he still will and plans to (or has he already?).

To anyone keeping track, David has been clearly lying and doing anything to cover his tracks, misleading words, and deception. Nobody should feel bad for him. He is the ring leader here and now he's upset because Bob made faster "moves" on the chess board. Zimbeck, the FUD is real this time. You have implicated yourself and have been clearly deceptive over the entire process. Many were burned in this scheme, including all of Bob's puppets (gekko, investors, your supporters, and most of the shills here). Whenever you try to point the finger is when it is time to look in the mirror. The "grand chess master" has been exposed for his greed.

BULLSHIT


[11/3/2014 6:14:44 PM] crypto.gekko: a coin is just a coin without a good developer.
[11/3/2014 6:14:52 PM] David Zimbeck: not at all good for my reputation
[11/3/2014 6:15:24 PM] crypto.gekko: This is what an investor is banking his money on. Your skills.
[11/3/2014 6:15:36 PM] David Zimbeck: yeah but somebody else profits
[11/3/2014 6:15:37 PM] crypto.gekko: Otherwise it's best to pay you for the work only.
[11/3/2014 6:15:39 PM] David Zimbeck: by using my name
[11/3/2014 6:15:51 PM] crypto.gekko: you are not the only one behind the coin.
[11/3/2014 6:16:04 PM] crypto.gekko: There will be an entire team behind you.
[11/3/2014 6:16:22 PM] David Zimbeck: yeah but that doesnt matter in the ICO phase
[11/3/2014 6:16:33 PM] crypto.gekko: That doesn't make sense to me
[11/3/2014 6:16:34 PM] David Zimbeck: you guys can just make a lot of BTC off the hype
[11/3/2014 6:16:48 PM] crypto.gekko: we could, sure. but that's not what this is about
[11/3/2014 6:16:53 PM] David Zimbeck: yes it is
[11/3/2014 6:17:00 PM] crypto.gekko: im sorry to hear that
[11/3/2014 6:17:19 PM] David Zimbeck: my name was used in the past by another coin
[11/3/2014 6:17:33 PM] David Zimbeck: and it was just to profit off my name
[11/3/2014 6:17:43 PM] crypto.gekko: The goal is bring this coin into the top 10 marketcap. We have the money and connections to do that.
[11/3/2014 6:17:49 PM] David Zimbeck: those kind of things are bad for me if I ever decide to start my own coin
[11/3/2014 6:18:06 PM] crypto.gekko: I would personally like this to be your coin.
[11/3/2014 6:18:52 PM] David Zimbeck: ok so i can attach my name to the coin if i get the btc up front
[11/3/2014 6:19:19 PM] crypto.gekko: Surely. And I'm willing to work with you in any way to make you happy.
[11/3/2014 6:19:25 PM] David Zimbeck: ok
[11/3/2014 6:20:13 PM] crypto.gekko: 30k is a lot of money, but I know your tech and support is worth every penny. Working together, the development is real and the money is real too.
[11/3/2014 6:20:26 PM] David Zimbeck: i believe my tech is worth a lot more
[11/3/2014 6:20:36 PM] David Zimbeck: i have turned down 30K before
[11/3/2014 6:21:03 PM] crypto.gekko: That's why our continued relationship would only bring more rewards.
[11/3/2014 6:21:07 PM] David Zimbeck: yeah
[11/3/2014 6:21:11 PM] David Zimbeck: thats the point
[11/3/2014 6:21:16 PM] David Zimbeck: im loyal everyone knows that
[11/3/2014 6:21:34 PM] crypto.gekko: The coin will have a large development pool. As you spend time to develop into the future, that money goes to you of course.
[11/3/2014 6:21:36 PM] David Zimbeck: you get more than you pay for
[11/3/2014 6:21:45 PM] David Zimbeck: since i can help your entire team
[11/3/2014 6:21:57 PM] crypto.gekko: indeed
[11/3/2014 6:22:21 PM] crypto.gekko: So what is the best way to move forward in your opinion?
[11/3/2014 6:22:45 PM] David Zimbeck: that all depends on you guys
[11/3/2014 6:22:57 PM] David Zimbeck: you know your schedule
[11/3/2014 6:23:14 PM] David Zimbeck: I can give you guys an address
[11/3/2014 6:24:09 PM] crypto.gekko: If you have trust in Lin and Steve and you are truly interested in making BitBay your "baby". I see no reason why you sholdnt take the bull by the horns.
[11/3/2014 6:24:36 PM] crypto.gekko: Otherwise, I will need to hire multiple devs and pay them as needed. You being one of them for your technology.
[11/3/2014 6:25:00 PM] David Zimbeck: I'm already doing that
[11/3/2014 6:25:13 PM] David Zimbeck: I work on Halo every day
[11/3/2014 6:25:33 PM] crypto.gekko: I think I have a better grip on the situation now.
[11/3/2014 6:26:04 PM] David Zimbeck: Basically when I wake up, I code. Then eat and sleep.
[11/3/2014 6:26:07 PM] David Zimbeck: lmao
[11/3/2014 6:26:27 PM] David Zimbeck: i also am training devs here in cambodia
[11/3/2014 6:26:28 PM] crypto.gekko: I do the same, but basically help other coins to make their tech a reality.
[11/3/2014 6:26:36 PM] David Zimbeck: i can train any of Lin or Steves devs
[11/3/2014 6:27:04 PM] crypto.gekko: Is the cost of that included in your initial payment?
[11/3/2014 6:27:20 PM] David Zimbeck: depends on what they ask me Cheesy
[11/3/2014 6:27:31 PM] crypto.gekko: So we will need to create a contract.
[11/3/2014 6:27:45 PM] David Zimbeck: A real contract on paper?
[11/3/2014 6:27:59 PM] crypto.gekko: Digital contract or smartcontract if needed.
[11/3/2014 6:28:21 PM] crypto.gekko: The details of which I will discuss when I meet with Steve and Lin in China next week.
[11/3/2014 6:28:53 PM] David Zimbeck: Just draft a contract on paper
[11/3/2014 6:29:07 PM] crypto.gekko: Sure, I'm fine with a simple record of notary.
[11/3/2014 6:29:18 PM] David Zimbeck: most important, i dont want my name attached to the project until the btc funds
[11/3/2014 6:29:30 PM] David Zimbeck: once it funds you can use my name
[11/3/2014 6:29:38 PM] crypto.gekko: that seems more a matter of trust to me
[11/3/2014 6:29:40 PM] David Zimbeck: i just wanted to make sure my name is not used for profit
[11/3/2014 6:30:03 PM] David Zimbeck: because it could harm my reputation otherwise

I read it. Looks like Gekko was trying to do something legit and Zimbeck says "Pay me first and I'll do whatever it takes to make more money".Zimbeck was quick to put a btc addy and take money upfront, shows how much he "cared" about the project. Such complete bullshit, agreed. Keep posting more logs, it adds fuel to the Christmas fire.

The thread above tells the tale for all those wondering what's going on with Zimbecks scheme.

Yeah yeah yeah. Enough logs. They are tedious now. No more distractions. Time to follow the money. We want to see where the bay is and where the bitcoin is from all the players left. Might as well start with David since he is the one looking for redemption.

[arloseb]

Sometimes i'm surprise about this world.

I really missed early altcoins like dogecoin,just fun,nothing special,just fun,with great attractive for non crypto-user. Just a word mouth. And good value.

We have to go back to thoose days.

Every months there are new "trends" and investor jump in.
First funny coin
Then country coin (auroracoin,africacoin,usdecoin,russiacoin,portugalcoin)
Then number coin (42 coin,666coin,12coin)
Then anon coin(dark,black etc etc)
Now new trend is to make a coin with spaceship integrated control, to make transaction between planets. Within human to aliens.

Next?

[interstellar]

Fellow investors, I'm off to bed. Please make sure David follows through with his promise to disclose the bay addresses and screenshot of bitcoin received and spent in this venture. This is what we really need to be focused in on and not all that other distracting stuff like the logs or the personal attacks between conspirators.

This should be the one and only question on everyone's mind now. Time to follow the money.

[dzimbeck]

If you want i can elaborate on that chat.

IF you take it out of context or are a complete retard. I was asking them if they were going to use my name for a bullshit scheme and Gekko denied that.

[11/3/2014 6:03:54 PM] crypto.gekko: in order for us to get you the money upfront before work is complete, we need the public to know you are the man involved.
[11/3/2014 6:04:13 PM] David Zimbeck: that doesnt make sense to me
[11/3/2014 6:04:21 PM] crypto.gekko: please explain
[11/3/2014 6:04:47 PM] David Zimbeck: because if this is a long term project it doesnt matter what the public thinks right now
[11/3/2014 6:04:57 PM] crypto.gekko: the public = investors.
[11/3/2014 6:04:59 PM] David Zimbeck: RZR tried to use my name for a pump
[11/3/2014 6:05:14 PM] crypto.gekko: this is no pump. this is YOUR coin


SO stop taking it out of context. Gekko was trying to shove the coin down my throat. And lied through his teeth to get me on it.

My negotiations were with Steven for two weeks prior. Gekko just strolled in right before the ANN.

[11/3/2014 6:13:58 PM] crypto.gekko: through investors buying on the exchange.
[11/3/2014 6:14:07 PM] crypto.gekko: direct distribution
[11/3/2014 6:14:08 PM] David Zimbeck: they but the premined coin
[11/3/2014 6:14:14 PM] David Zimbeck: because my name is attached?
[11/3/2014 6:14:19 PM] crypto.gekko: yes
[11/3/2014 6:14:36 PM] David Zimbeck: yeah then you could raised 200,000 USD (notice how i didnt know the details yet... I had no idea it was 3000BTC  if i had known in this convo, my fee would have been higher and my requirements much more stringent)
[11/3/2014 6:14:39 PM] David Zimbeck: and I get 30K
[11/3/2014 6:14:40 PM] David Zimbeck: lol
[11/3/2014 6:14:44 PM] crypto.gekko: a coin is just a coin without a good developer.
[11/3/2014 6:14:52 PM] David Zimbeck: not at all good for my reputation
[11/3/2014 6:15:24 PM] crypto.gekko: This is what an investor is banking his money on. Your skills.
[11/3/2014 6:15:36 PM] David Zimbeck: yeah but somebody else profits (I was expressing my concerns)
[11/3/2014 6:15:37 PM] crypto.gekko: Otherwise it's best to pay you for the work only.
[11/3/2014 6:15:39 PM] David Zimbeck: by using my name
[11/3/2014 6:15:51 PM] crypto.gekko: you are not the only one behind the coin.
[11/3/2014 6:16:04 PM] crypto.gekko: There will be an entire team behind you.
[11/3/2014 6:16:22 PM] David Zimbeck: yeah but that doesnt matter in the ICO phase
[11/3/2014 6:16:33 PM] crypto.gekko: That doesn't make sense to me
[11/3/2014 6:16:34 PM] David Zimbeck: you guys can just make a lot of BTC off the hype
[11/3/2014 6:16:48 PM] crypto.gekko: we could, sure. but that's not what this is about

The gist is this, i was accusing Gekko of trying to use my name to hype the coin. But he insisted otherwise. I was trying to make sure he was not lying to me. But in reality he was lying.

He was absolutely trying to make money off my name.

[12/6/2014 5:32:31 PM] Gekko: As funny as it is to fuck with your ego, I've got other fish to fry. It's been a pleasure to rape you. Glad I could make a few bucks on your head

Dont get me started on Gekko/Ryan.  He is arguably worse than Bob.

My convos with him were to try and find out if he was telling the truth. I never liked the guy. But Steven assured me he was just overzealous. I have private convos with Steven expressing my concern. But it was too late. Gekko already threw my name all over the coin. They already started the ICO.