HavocWave - The Revolutionary Bitcoin Game

[Candystripes]

Overview

From my original loaner, I had 5 BTC in escrow, but the developer backed out, so the site never got developed fully. We got refunded and the loaner never wanted to re-fund development. HavocWave is a bitcoin gambling game that is new of it's kind. It is not dice, poker, or anything that has been done. It is innovative in a similar way to Moneypot. In fact, the game idea was brought out with the help of espringe, Moneypot's maker. My goal here is to raise enough funds to develop the big new gambling game.


Escrow

All investors in the development of the site will most obviously have their funds sent to escrow, until the finished work is done. Escrow will be voted upon by investors. It will most likely be Maidak, TheAnon, well-known trusted escrowers, etc.



How It Works

The funds will be gathered into escrow, and held for 30 days until the full amount is gathered. Then, a developer will be contacted and the development will begin. The game itself will be 100% crowd-funded. After development is done, the investors are gradually paid back from the site's profit.


Risks

Investors are paid back from the profit of the site. I realize that sites are not guaranteed profit. For this reason, the bankroll will be crowd-funded. This way, personal profit will never go negative. If all else fails, the finished product will be sold to payback investors. I am sure that a very nice site like this would sell for much more than 15 BTC. If that fails, I will payback investors personally from my own pocket. I am confident this will not happen.


Interested In Investing/Developing?

HavocWave is looking for both investors and a programmer(s) to help build up the site. If you are interested, please contact myself, Candystripes. I am also available on Skype, if you prefer Skype just private message your Skype username. I will explain everything you would want to know about HavocWave, including how the game works, how I will manage it, etc. You MUST show proof of funds before asking me anything related to investing. If you are a developer, you must show your full portfolio and skills. This project is not easy. The game is complicated and may need alot of knowledge.


Funds Raised: 0/15BTC

[AcoinL.L.C]

"I had 5 BTC in escrow"
- Why are you asking for 15BTC now if it was originally 5BTC to develop?

"If that fails, I will payback investors personally from my own pocket"
- Why are you crowdfunding the game then?

3. Bankrolling game
- How do you plan to bankroll / market the game? That will require much more capital than building the actual game.

[Candystripes]

"I had 5 BTC in escrow"
- Why are you asking for 15BTC now if it was originally 5BTC to develop?

"If that fails, I will payback investors personally from my own pocket"
- Why are you crowdfunding the game then?

3. Bankrolling game
- How do you plan to bankroll / market the game? That will require much more capital than building the actual game.

I am asking for 15 BTC simply because multiple users advised me 5 BTC isn't going to get me a good site. Users like espringe and Ryan from Moneypot told me 5 BTC is going to get me an extremely basic functioning site. I am not looking for that. I want this site to be the best it can be, and I think 15 is the most balanced. Some people even told me 15 isn't enough. I have a friend that is more of a VB.Net programmer, and can possibly code a desktop version. I would have to talk to investors about that.

The way crowd-funding works, is that personally I never lose BTC, but gain. Not a great way to present it to investors, but that's how it works. I am crowd-funding it because it's the best way to run a site, and I don't have the personal funds to fund it myself. There are many reasons for this decision.

Bankrolling, will be crowd-funded. Marketing comes out of my own pocket, but I will be marketing it myself. I realize that signature campaigns are expensive, but I am quite confident the site will do well, I am willing to use personal funds each month towards the site. If you understand how the game works, you would say, "wow that's an amazing idea".

[AcoinL.L.C]

"I had 5 BTC in escrow"
- Why are you asking for 15BTC now if it was originally 5BTC to develop?

"If that fails, I will payback investors personally from my own pocket"
- Why are you crowdfunding the game then?

3. Bankrolling game
- How do you plan to bankroll / market the game? That will require much more capital than building the actual game.

I am asking for 15 BTC simply because multiple users advised me 5 BTC isn't going to get me a good site. Users like espringe and Ryan from Moneypot told me 5 BTC is going to get me an extremely basic functioning site. I am not looking for that. I want this site to be the best it can be, and I think 15 is the most balanced. Some people even told me 15 isn't enough. I have a friend that is more of a VB.Net programmer, and can possibly code a desktop version. I would have to talk to investors about that.

The way crowd-funding works, is that personally I never lose BTC, but gain. Not a great way to present it to investors, but that's how it works. I am crowd-funding it because it's the best way to run a site, and I don't have the personal funds to fund it myself. There are many reasons for this decision.

Bankrolling, will be crowd-funded. Marketing comes out of my own pocket, but I will be marketing it myself. I realize that signature campaigns are expensive, but I am quite confident the site will do well, I am willing to use personal funds each month towards the site. If you understand how the game works, you would say, "wow that's an amazing idea".

Right you are. 15BTC will likely get you a mediocre game (depending on how complicated your game is).

So your admitting you can't afford to pay them back if it fails. I don't think you realize how much marketing costs, the only marketing you should be doing on this kind of budget is social media work. Signature campaigns are not only expensive (much more expensive than you realize), but also don't perform well. I ran a signature campaign for CoinFinance who had a $500 a month budget, they closed the campaign early due to terrible results (the campaign was full, pay rates were slightly below "standard"). Most of the views come from the original post for the campaign, we tracked hits through the signatures, and only 78 unique hits (of which ~50 came from the original post) showed from the couple hundred dollars spent on the campaign. A more effective signature campaign would require ~$7,500 a month (20-30BTC) which would get a scale closer to PrimeDice's original campaign. Thats the only way to get enough impressions throughout the forum, even a $1000 a month budget wouldn't get enough impressions to be worth while. Im not sure how you could afford to offer a signature campaign, but not develop your product.

I don't think you did enough research into this for this to be a success. I'd be happy to give you some advise on how to get this up and running. 

Best of luck to you

[Candystripes]

"I had 5 BTC in escrow"
- Why are you asking for 15BTC now if it was originally 5BTC to develop?

"If that fails, I will payback investors personally from my own pocket"
- Why are you crowdfunding the game then?

3. Bankrolling game
- How do you plan to bankroll / market the game? That will require much more capital than building the actual game.

I am asking for 15 BTC simply because multiple users advised me 5 BTC isn't going to get me a good site. Users like espringe and Ryan from Moneypot told me 5 BTC is going to get me an extremely basic functioning site. I am not looking for that. I want this site to be the best it can be, and I think 15 is the most balanced. Some people even told me 15 isn't enough. I have a friend that is more of a VB.Net programmer, and can possibly code a desktop version. I would have to talk to investors about that.

The way crowd-funding works, is that personally I never lose BTC, but gain. Not a great way to present it to investors, but that's how it works. I am crowd-funding it because it's the best way to run a site, and I don't have the personal funds to fund it myself. There are many reasons for this decision.

Bankrolling, will be crowd-funded. Marketing comes out of my own pocket, but I will be marketing it myself. I realize that signature campaigns are expensive, but I am quite confident the site will do well, I am willing to use personal funds each month towards the site. If you understand how the game works, you would say, "wow that's an amazing idea".

Right you are. 15BTC will likely get you a mediocre game (depending on how complicated your game is).

So your admitting you can't afford to pay them back if it fails. I don't think you realize how much marketing costs, the only marketing you should be doing on this kind of budget is social media work. Signature campaigns are not only expensive (much more expensive than you realize), but also don't perform well. I ran a signature campaign for CoinFinance who had a $500 a month budget, they closed the campaign early due to terrible results (the campaign was full, pay rates were slightly below "standard"). Most of the views come from the original post for the campaign, we tracked hits through the signatures, and only 78 unique hits (of which ~50 came from the original post) showed from the couple hundred dollars spent on the campaign. A more effective signature campaign would require ~$7,500 a month (20-30BTC) which would get a scale closer to PrimeDice's original campaign. Thats the only way to get enough impressions throughout the forum, even a $1000 a month budget wouldn't get enough impressions to be worth while. Im not sure how you could afford to offer a signature campaign, but not develop your product.

I don't think you did enough research into this for this to be a success. I'd be happy to give you some advise on how to get this up and running. 

Best of luck to you

1. Never admitted that I can't payback. I took a loan from Eric to buy something, and paid back 1.1 BTC in a month or so just from extra online earnings.
2. I am sorry your signature campaign failed badly, that is not my problem. Signature campaigns are well worth the money.
3. Marketing is cheap, either you are not great at it or you think of it like it is some professional job. SEO and marketing are not hard. I've marketed many things, trust me.
4. It can easily be a success, but it is nothing without funds.

I am looking for coders to talk to, to see if they'd work for it without any pay, so the pressure is on them, not the investors. Would that be a better idea you think?

[AcoinL.L.C]

No, signature campaigns really are not successful. Why do you think PD stopped their campaign, as well as just about every other signature campaign? Im surprised they had it going as long as they did, they should have tracked the amount of users they actually gained from it. The amount of hits generated from signature campaigns is minimal, and most of the hits aren't repeat users. Huge waste of money. As far as marketing, it is possible to do it without a large budget (i.e. SEO, social media etc), but its very slow and time consuming to do it without a budget. You can likely find a coder willing to do part of it for equity, but since Im getting vibes that its a fairly large project, you won't find a quality coder willing to do it without at least 50% of the cost paid in cash.

[Candystripes]

No, signature campaigns really are not successful. Why do you think PD stopped their campaign, as well as just about every other signature campaign? Im surprised they had it going as long as they did, they should have tracked the amount of users they actually gained from it. The amount of hits generated from signature campaigns is minimal, and most of the hits aren't repeat users. Huge waste of money. As far as marketing, it is possible to do it without a large budget (i.e. SEO, social media etc), but its very slow and time consuming to do it without a budget. You can likely find a coder willing to do part of it for equity, but since Im getting vibes that its a fairly large project, you won't find a quality coder willing to do it without at least 50% of the cost paid in cash.

This post is more opinionistic. PD stopped it because people were abusing it by spamming the forum, therefore ruining the forum in whole. NOT because it wasn't getting what they paid for. I ran Moneypot's signature campaign. 0.5 a month got around ~3,000 unique hits from bitcointalk. What does that prove? That proves that what you are saying is not 100% true.

[AcoinL.L.C]

No, signature campaigns really are not successful. Why do you think PD stopped their campaign, as well as just about every other signature campaign? Im surprised they had it going as long as they did, they should have tracked the amount of users they actually gained from it. The amount of hits generated from signature campaigns is minimal, and most of the hits aren't repeat users. Huge waste of money. As far as marketing, it is possible to do it without a large budget (i.e. SEO, social media etc), but its very slow and time consuming to do it without a budget. You can likely find a coder willing to do part of it for equity, but since Im getting vibes that its a fairly large project, you won't find a quality coder willing to do it without at least 50% of the cost paid in cash.

This post is more opinionistic. PD stopped it because people were abusing it by spamming the forum, therefore ruining the forum in whole. NOT because it wasn't getting what they paid for. I ran Moneypot's signature campaign. 0.5 a month got around ~3,000 unique hits from bitcointalk. What does that prove? That proves that what you are saying is not 100% true.

I don't believe that for one second, but goodluck anyways.

[Branny]

No, signature campaigns really are not successful. Why do you think PD stopped their campaign, as well as just about every other signature campaign? Im surprised they had it going as long as they did, they should have tracked the amount of users they actually gained from it. The amount of hits generated from signature campaigns is minimal, and most of the hits aren't repeat users. Huge waste of money. As far as marketing, it is possible to do it without a large budget (i.e. SEO, social media etc), but its very slow and time consuming to do it without a budget. You can likely find a coder willing to do part of it for equity, but since Im getting vibes that its a fairly large project, you won't find a quality coder willing to do it without at least 50% of the cost paid in cash.

This post is more opinionistic. PD stopped it because people were abusing it by spamming the forum, therefore ruining the forum in whole. NOT because it wasn't getting what they paid for. I ran Moneypot's signature campaign. 0.5 a month got around ~3,000 unique hits from bitcointalk. What does that prove? That proves that what you are saying is not 100% true.

I don't believe that for one second, but goodluck anyways.

Who cares about users? What's important is roi.

I ran ads for a gaming campaign as an affiliate, running hundreds of thousands to a few million unique users.  Good campaign might convert 10%, a bad one 0.1%. What does 3,000 visits prove?   Of much unless you have conversion metrics.

[Somekindabitcoin]

Let me tell you why it's going to fail horribly:

First, your reputation. No one's going to invest with that rep and possibility to scam.

second, the amount raised. Sure you're going to get 15 btc for the entire website development and programming the scripts, but that's it. You won't have any money to backup in case you start losing on the house and you fail to payback players. In another way, I think you'd probably just make it so people keep losing and eventually find out you're scamming them so you could raise the bitcoin to pay them back later. You have exactly no bankroll, therefore, you will fail.

third, I don't trust you with my bitcoin. PERIOD.

[Candystripes]

Let me tell you why it's going to fail horribly:

First, your reputation. No one's going to invest with that rep and possibility to scam.

second, the amount raised. Sure you're going to get 15 btc for the entire website development and programming the scripts, but that's it. You won't have any money to backup in case you start losing on the house and you fail to payback players. In another way, I think you'd probably just make it so people keep losing and eventually find out you're scamming them so you could raise the bitcoin to pay them back later. You have exactly no bankroll, therefore, you will fail.

third, I don't trust you with my bitcoin. PERIOD.

Hey man, can I tell you something? Your whole post is based on your opinion, making it useless. I have the same chance of scamming as anyone else.

Thanks.

[Somekindabitcoin]

Let me tell you why it's going to fail horribly:

First, your reputation. No one's going to invest with that rep and possibility to scam.

second, the amount raised. Sure you're going to get 15 btc for the entire website development and programming the scripts, but that's it. You won't have any money to backup in case you start losing on the house and you fail to payback players. In another way, I think you'd probably just make it so people keep losing and eventually find out you're scamming them so you could raise the bitcoin to pay them back later. You have exactly no bankroll, therefore, you will fail.

third, I don't trust you with my bitcoin. PERIOD.

Hey man, can I tell you something? Your whole post is based on your opinion, making it useless. I have the same chance of scamming as anyone else.

Thanks.

Although the first and third are based on Opinion, the middle is based on fact. You won't have enough money to start that casino.

[Candystripes]

Let me tell you why it's going to fail horribly:

First, your reputation. No one's going to invest with that rep and possibility to scam.

second, the amount raised. Sure you're going to get 15 btc for the entire website development and programming the scripts, but that's it. You won't have any money to backup in case you start losing on the house and you fail to payback players. In another way, I think you'd probably just make it so people keep losing and eventually find out you're scamming them so you could raise the bitcoin to pay them back later. You have exactly no bankroll, therefore, you will fail.

third, I don't trust you with my bitcoin. PERIOD.

Hey man, can I tell you something? Your whole post is based on your opinion, making it useless. I have the same chance of scamming as anyone else.

Thanks.

Although the first and third are based on Opinion, the middle is based on fact. You won't have enough money to start that casino.

I do agree with that point.

Hmm, maybe the risk is too big, and although I'd take my chances and have to payout of my pocket if I have to, maybe there's a better option? Sell the idea with the domain and logos, etc. for a good price?

[Somekindabitcoin]

Doubt that would be enough.

[AcoinL.L.C]

Let me tell you why it's going to fail horribly:

First, your reputation. No one's going to invest with that rep and possibility to scam.

second, the amount raised. Sure you're going to get 15 btc for the entire website development and programming the scripts, but that's it. You won't have any money to backup in case you start losing on the house and you fail to payback players. In another way, I think you'd probably just make it so people keep losing and eventually find out you're scamming them so you could raise the bitcoin to pay them back later. You have exactly no bankroll, therefore, you will fail.

third, I don't trust you with my bitcoin. PERIOD.

Hey man, can I tell you something? Your whole post is based on your opinion, making it useless. I have the same chance of scamming as anyone else.

Thanks.

Although the first and third are based on Opinion, the middle is based on fact. You won't have enough money to start that casino.

I do agree with that point.

Hmm, maybe the risk is too big, and although I'd take my chances and have to payout of my pocket if I have to, maybe there's a better option? Sell the idea with the domain and logos, etc. for a good price?

People don't purchase ideas.

[Candystripes]

People don't purchase ideas.

If you have 20 BTC waiting for something interesting with low-risk, why not buy the idea, domain, and logo and start it up? It's great for anyone who has the funds.

[Gronthaing]

No, signature campaigns really are not successful. Why do you think PD stopped their campaign, as well as just about every other signature campaign? Im surprised they had it going as long as they did, they should have tracked the amount of users they actually gained from it. The amount of hits generated from signature campaigns is minimal, and most of the hits aren't repeat users. Huge waste of money. As far as marketing, it is possible to do it without a large budget (i.e. SEO, social media etc), but its very slow and time consuming to do it without a budget. You can likely find a coder willing to do part of it for equity, but since Im getting vibes that its a fairly large project, you won't find a quality coder willing to do it without at least 50% of the cost paid in cash.

This post is more opinionistic. PD stopped it because people were abusing it by spamming the forum, therefore ruining the forum in whole. NOT because it wasn't getting what they paid for. I ran Moneypot's signature campaign. 0.5 a month got around ~3,000 unique hits from bitcointalk. What does that prove? That proves that what you are saying is not 100% true.

I don't believe that for one second, but goodluck anyways.

There are several campaigns that have been running for a long time, and more always showing up. Even PD is apparently about to return, so they can't be that unsuccessful. But I believe they can be hard to manage, and attract the right kind of users to advertise for you. Anyway, good luck with this Candystripes.