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November 18, 2014, 12:25:39 PM
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We all have different definition and perception of freedom. There is no unified "definition" on which everyone agrees. Even if there would have been one then it would have been end of freedom. Pardox!

They say, "Bitcoin is your key to financial freedom. Freedom from corrupt government etc etc etc."

Have you ever thought about your definition of freedom? That is tough question to be answered in real life. At least you can try to define your definition of freedom for money/finance. What it is?

Example: I like freedom of sending money to any part of world without being dependent on anyone. I like holding my money on own etc.

Please, stop and think for a moment as this question is raised to brainstorm 'your' definition of "financial freedom" rather than accepting something actively propagated by organization and people with vested interest.

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November 18, 2014, 12:32:55 PM
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Freedom is the ability to do whatever the hell you want so long as it doesn't physically hurt or criminally deprive anyone else of wealth or property.

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November 18, 2014, 12:43:46 PM
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Freedom is free from initiation of force and violence. The amount of freedom can thus be measured based upon an individuals and their societies respect for the non-aggression principle.

Unfortunately, suggesting as much in today's society is met with derision by many individuals inculcated with statist propaganda. There is nothing extreme about the Non aggression principle, as it is merely a more thoughtful derivation of the golden rule. We aren't trying to impose our beliefs upon anyone and are perfectly happy if you want to create a communist or socialist society with consenting adults and use Bitcoin as an instrument to assist your endeavors. We wish that others would permit the same respect towards us as well.

What if Bitcoin is intruding my freedom?

Bitcoin is merely an open source protocol that you could choose to use , not use , or modify at any moment. How could it possibly be intruding upon your freedom?

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November 18, 2014, 12:48:47 PM
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Freedom is free from initiation of force and violence. The amount of freedom can thus be measured based upon an individuals and their societies respect for the non-aggression principle.

Unfortunately, suggesting as much in today's society is met with derision by many individuals inculcated with statist propaganda. There is nothing extreme about the Non aggression principle, as it is merely a more thoughtful derivation of the golden rule. We aren't trying to impose our beliefs upon anyone and are perfectly happy if you want to create a communist or socialist society with consenting adults and use Bitcoin as an instrument to assist your endeavors. We wish that others would permit the same respect towards us as well.


"Free from initiation of force."

What if that force feeds based on my weakness? What is that force is targeted specially for specific "IQ" and target audience? Because once they're conquered rest would be cake walk.

Can psychological forces be defined as intrusion of freedom?

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November 18, 2014, 12:48:55 PM
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Freedom is the absence of force.

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November 18, 2014, 12:52:03 PM
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Freedom is the absence of force.


OMG! Then Bitcoin is totally opposite of FREEDOM. It is a force that we find impossible to resist once we understand what Bitcoin is.

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November 18, 2014, 12:55:10 PM
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Freedom is the ability to do whatever the hell you want so long as it doesn't physically hurt or criminally deprive anyone else of wealth or property.


Can deceiving someone into doing something based on their weakness your with one's intelligence can be defined as crime?

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November 18, 2014, 12:57:15 PM
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"Free from initiation of force."

What if that force feeds based on my weakness? What is that force is targeted specially for specific "IQ" and target audience? Because once they're conquered rest would be cake walk.

Can psychological forces be defined as intrusion of freedom?


We do not exist in a state of absolute freedom and wishing for such is an effort in futility. We are constrained by the laws of nature and biology.

The Non Aggression Principle does indeed cover psychological coercion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion

Which has specific legal and philosophical definitions.

You will have to be more specific with your questions and define what you mean by "psychological forces" with an example.

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November 18, 2014, 12:57:30 PM
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Freedom is a high mountain that we can never reach top of it. Today when we say "freedom" we mean the path which goes to that mountain.
We can't get freedom together but we can get closer. If theres a one man on world without other living beings(animals,bugs,humans) that man is free.
So its pointless to define what is freedom for everyone. Everyone has their own freedom definition.
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November 18, 2014, 12:58:13 PM
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Bitcoin is freedom from a corrupt and unfair monetary system. Clearly the money should not be issued by those who can just print more of their own volition.
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November 18, 2014, 01:00:03 PM
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Freedom is the ability to do whatever the hell you want so long as it doesn't physically hurt or criminally deprive anyone else of wealth or property.


Can deceiving someone into doing something based on their weakness your with one's intelligence can be defined as crime?

Wut? Can you rephrase that? Are you on about defrauding someone out of money? If so, then yes that is a crime. You've deprived them of wealth via criminal dishonesty.

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November 18, 2014, 01:07:23 PM
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"Free from initiation of force."

What if that force feeds based on my weakness? What is that force is targeted specially for specific "IQ" and target audience? Because once they're conquered rest would be cake walk.

Can psychological forces be defined as intrusion of freedom?


We do not exist in a state of absolute freedom and wishing for such is an effort in futility. We are constrained by the laws of nature and biology.

The Non Aggression Principle does indeed cover psychological coercion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion

Which has specific legal and philosophical definitions.

You will have to be more specific with your questions and define what you mean by "psychological forces" with an example.


Psychological forces that feeds on my weakness:
1. Greed- In any form material or knowledge
2. Contribution: We all wish to contribute in one or other way. No matter tiny judgement we pass but we wish to contribute what if "that's weakness" and can be exploited? Thinking about thousand of charity company and people donating there.
3. Change: We all believe our learning is good, better or best and we wish to bring change in society according to our perception.


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November 18, 2014, 01:08:10 PM
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Freedom is the ability to do whatever the hell you want so long as it doesn't physically hurt or criminally deprive anyone else of wealth or property.


Can deceiving someone into doing something based on their weakness your with one's intelligence can be defined as crime?

Wut? Can you rephrase that? Are you on about defrauding someone out of money? If so, then yes that is a crime. You've deprived them of wealth via criminal dishonesty.

Freedom has nothing to do with law/crime.

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November 18, 2014, 01:10:01 PM
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Freedom is the ability to do whatever the hell you want so long as it doesn't physically hurt or criminally deprive anyone else of wealth or property.


Can deceiving someone into doing something based on their weakness your with one's intelligence can be defined as crime?

Wut? Can you rephrase that? Are you on about defrauding someone out of money? If so, then yes that is a crime. You've deprived them of wealth via criminal dishonesty.

I'm sorry for my english skills. I'll rephrase again:

If you deceive someone into doing something by exploiting their weakness (with your intelligence) be defined as crime?

It those can de categorized as crime then most important question-- how can such crime can be proved to be crime?

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November 18, 2014, 01:12:48 PM
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In reality we are all free to do whatever we want.

And some people choose to use that freedom to oppress others because they can (or because they think it is right, or to get more power).

It all comes down to who has the most power. The most powerful can do whatever they want but are also often not free because in order to maintain that power they have to restrain themselves for fear of losing that power. This is how it has been throughout history.

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November 18, 2014, 01:13:55 PM
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Freedom is the ability to do whatever the hell you want so long as it doesn't physically hurt or criminally deprive anyone else of wealth or property.


Can deceiving someone into doing something based on their weakness your with one's intelligence can be defined as crime?

Wut? Can you rephrase that? Are you on about defrauding someone out of money? If so, then yes that is a crime. You've deprived them of wealth via criminal dishonesty.

Freedom has nothing to do with law/crime.

LOL! Law is circumference  and what happends beyond that is crime and freedom forms core of that circle and you say it has nothing to do. Confused!
If Freedom has nothing to do with law/crime then, freedom has no connection with finance also. Contemplate it! Money curbs freedom more than anything else.

Bitcoin is not FREEDOM Q.E.D

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November 18, 2014, 01:21:51 PM
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freedom= no permission

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Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at
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November 18, 2014, 01:24:48 PM
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LOL! Law is circumference  and what happends beyond that is crime and freedom forms core of that circle and you say it has nothing to do. Confused!
If Freedom has nothing to do with law/crime then, freedom has no connection with finance also. Contemplate it! Money curbs freedom more than anything else.

Bitcoin is not FREEDOM Q.E.D


I can smoke marijuana and that would be considered a crime as it is against the law.  A police officer can exert force against someone smoking marijuana because it is a crime. This is not freedom.

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You can have finances without law.  

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November 18, 2014, 01:26:01 PM
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Wut? Can you rephrase that? Are you on about defrauding someone out of money? If so, then yes that is a crime. You've deprived them of wealth via criminal dishonesty.

Freedom has nothing to do with law/crime.

You're free to murder and steal from people, but that encroaches on other people's freedom and you should be punished fairly for it as you've likely given up your own freedom in doing so.

Freedom is the ability to do whatever the hell you want so long as it doesn't physically hurt or criminally deprive anyone else of wealth or property.


Can deceiving someone into doing something based on their weakness your with one's intelligence can be defined as crime?

Wut? Can you rephrase that? Are you on about defrauding someone out of money? If so, then yes that is a crime. You've deprived them of wealth via criminal dishonesty.

I'm sorry for my english skills. I'll rephrase again:

If you deceive someone into doing something by exploiting their weakness (with your intelligence) be defined as crime?

It those can de categorized as crime then most important question-- how can such crime can be proved to be crime?

Well that depends. If you challenge someone to a bet at a chess match and they lose then fair enough, but if you take advantage of someone by defrauding them then that's a crime. I don't understand the second sentence.

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November 18, 2014, 01:26:27 PM
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Psychological forces that feeds on my weakness:
1. Greed- In any form material or knowledge
2. Contribution: We all wish to contribute in one or other way. No matter tiny judgement we pass but we wish to contribute what if "that's weakness" and can be exploited? Thinking about thousand of charity company and people donating there.
3. Change: We all believe our learning is good, better or best and we wish to bring change in society according to our perception.

You are assuming those are weaknesses. If you think these psychological forces are preventing your freedom than you are abstracting freedom to such a degree it becomes impractical.

Yes, reality isn't fair and some people a born with greater talents and skills, some are born in better environments, and some happen to get lucky with circumstances within their life.

This is unavoidable, and many of the solutions to create a more egalitarian society actually have a negative outcome.

Do you have a specific example instead of generalizing so we can discuss specifics as to what you are referring to.

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