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November 23, 2014, 05:50:09 PM
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Speaking only for myself and not for the company I work for (Ripple Labs):

Ripple Labs is a real company with over 60 employees. They are in legitimate business with real investors backing them. They plan to revolutionize the payment industry. They seem to be making deals with banks like Fidor. Is it "premined?" I accept the loose definition of premine - that the creators of the system issued themselves the coins. So yes it is premined (there should be no controversy here).

The difference between Ripple Labs and other alt-coins should be  obvious. I can understand the skepticism when Ripple first came out on the scene about 2 years ago (I was one of the most vocal skeptics). But somehow, some way they are still around, developing the protocol and software ecosystem around it, making deals, growing, distributing XRP either by sale or by giveaway. They don't seem to be going away, rather they are just building up slowly but surely.

Some ask, why did XRP shoot up? I think a better question is why did it go down from its 2013 high of $0.10 in the first place. The Armajeddon likely had a lot to do with it. And TradeFortress running around calling Ripple a scam, along with his sock puppets. There's also the early skepticism.

I admit Ripple can be a difficult concept to get your head around. And bitcointalk is a rough place: anyone with a new idea that doesn't fit the "decentralization" narrative perfectly is going to get a lot of flames. Being closed-minded is the default position towards anything new. But it seems people are starting to connect the dots and seeing Ripple Labs for what it is: a smart, well funded company building a decentralized payment ecosystem for the long term, courting the right players (banks) and being friendly to the establishment with regulator-friendly features such as account freezing or its identity system.

I specifically joined because I believe the approach they are taking is the correct one: A private for-profit corporation has the right economic incentives and operating freedom to take the risks necessary to build the next generation system. Compare this with Bitcoin where developers are tightly constrained by the interests of the largest established, external Bitcoin companies and the Bitcoin foundation. True innovation and risk taking no long occur, and features designed by committee languish for months or years before seeing the light of day if at all. I still believe in Bitcoin the technology, but the development process surrounding it appears broken.
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November 23, 2014, 05:53:12 PM
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Do you really like the Debt idea that we have so far with the current currency ?

I'm not sure I follow, do you mean the current currency of the United States (the U.S. Dollar)?
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November 23, 2014, 06:16:51 PM
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Ripple is a failure. Pure and Simple. Ripple is exactly the thing We Don't Want In Cryptocurrencies.
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November 23, 2014, 06:21:02 PM
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Is it true that CEO Chris Larsen feeds kittens to a ball python in his office, for amusement, while wearing a suit made from the skin of Satoshi Yakamoto?

xrptalk.org :: setup a wallet + trade all currencies :: gateway reviews @ coinist.co :: deposit to buy xrp @ snapswap [now supporting PayPal withdrawls + instant ACH transfer deposits]
CrossCoin Ventures startup accelerator - offering XRP funding up to $50,000 USD equivalent
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November 23, 2014, 06:21:12 PM
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Ripple is a failure. Pure and Simple. Ripple is exactly the thing We Don't Want In Cryptocurrencies.

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anyone with a new idea that doesn't fit the "decentralization" narrative perfectly is going to get a lot of flames. Being closed-minded is the default position towards anything new.
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November 23, 2014, 06:22:19 PM
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Is it true that CEO Chris Larsen feeds kittens to a ball python in his office, for amusement, while wearing a suit made from the skin of Satoshi Yakamoto?

I can't really speak to the activities taking place in the office since I work remotely but that could explain the shed snake skins in the storage room!
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November 23, 2014, 06:23:38 PM
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they use the same centralized Banking model which let us in this chaos we are in right now.

No. The centralized banking model is to use government's threat of violence to force everyone into using a currency and pay taxes in it. In Ripple, you have complete freedom of which currencies to use.
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November 23, 2014, 06:23:43 PM
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anyone with a new idea that doesn't fit the "decentralization" narrative perfectly is going to get a lot of flames. Being closed-minded is the default position towards anything new.

Isn't that the point of why we're all here? Isn't that the point of why Bitcoin was made? What sense are you making?
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November 23, 2014, 06:25:06 PM
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If I own a lot of graphics cards, doesn't that prove that Ripple is centralized and run by the trilateral commission?

SCAM

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November 23, 2014, 06:39:25 PM
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Most of the fudsters here don't even comprehend how it really works.
Stupid loudmouths, look and learn something.
RIPPLE is an example in crypto, of how to do everything right.

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November 23, 2014, 06:45:06 PM
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Ripple is a scam, just on a professional level - if played out well, it might even win the short-mid term.
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November 23, 2014, 07:01:28 PM
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If I own a lot of graphics cards, doesn't that prove that Ripple is centralized and run by the trilateral commission?

SCAM

Bitcoin don't own 51% of their coins to one or five address

Ripple Labs controls a large share of XRP, no doubt. I learned a lot about Ripple from this interview. It may clear up some things for you.

Ripple Labs is working to identify the best means of XRP distribution. Key criteria: distribute XRP in a way that adds value to the network. I, personally, do not see subsidizing graphics card and ASIC manufacturers as an effective means of adding value to the network---but I cannot speak for Ripple Labs. Distribution is a difficult challenge. In the words of JoelKatz (RL team member):

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You can't distribute value until you create it.

Ripple is the antithesis of the regular cryptocurrency hype strategy. It is all about real world value.

If you are interested in creating a startup - try reaching out to the RL funded CrossCoin Ventures. CrossCoin provides funding for new businesses and technologies interested in leveraging Ripple. CoinIst and LibraTax are great examples.

Bitcoin vs. Ripple is a tired and dead line of thinking. Ripple is complementary to Bitcoin and alts. BTC markets on Ripple (click through via the BTC/XRP chart) account for a huge portion of daily volume. Ripple is great for transfer of currency between exchanges, banks, and other money services. Cryptsy is adopting Ripple for a damn good reason.

xrptalk.org :: setup a wallet + trade all currencies :: gateway reviews @ coinist.co :: deposit to buy xrp @ snapswap [now supporting PayPal withdrawls + instant ACH transfer deposits]
CrossCoin Ventures startup accelerator - offering XRP funding up to $50,000 USD equivalent
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November 23, 2014, 07:10:37 PM
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Cryptsy is adopting everything that give them volume....

Correct, but their adoption of Ripple is unique in comparison with most alts.

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Cryptsy is the first eSpend client to integrate with eSpend's Ripple gateway technology, which has been in development since early 2014. After a successful trial period with eSpend's XRP bridge technology, Cryptsy will enter stage two of the gateway integration. Cryptsy customers will then be able to withdraw their Cryptsy balances to their own Ripple wallets and trade those balances against any other asset being traded on Ripple's open order-book, including USD, EUR, CNY, JPY, XAU, XAG, BTC and more.
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They intend to leverage the protocol/network itself, in addition to providing XRP markets directly on their exchange. Ripple is good tech for serious use.

xrptalk.org :: setup a wallet + trade all currencies :: gateway reviews @ coinist.co :: deposit to buy xrp @ snapswap [now supporting PayPal withdrawls + instant ACH transfer deposits]
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November 23, 2014, 07:25:58 PM
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Why did the founder leave Ripple for Stellar?

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November 23, 2014, 07:53:04 PM
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Why did the founder leave Ripple for Stellar?

personal matters?

Every company has its startup problems.
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November 23, 2014, 08:16:40 PM
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Why did the founder leave Ripple for Stellar?

personal matters?

Every company has its startup problems.

I love how ripple brings out the lurkers with 0 activity. Wink

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November 23, 2014, 08:31:43 PM
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but
Why did the founder leave Ripple for Stellar?

personal matters?

Every company has its startup problems.

I love how ripple brings out the lurkers with 0 activity. Wink

Ripple Labs employees prominent on these boards:

  • misterbigg - activity: 574
  • joelkatz - activity: 1218

I am not arguing that their opinion is more valuable than your own. I am intending to question whether or not account activity is the most meaningful criteria for evaluating posts. A majority of the Ripple community does not post on these forums, and so frequently post under new/low activity accounts when/if they feel compelled to comment (xrptalk.org is their main hub).

Useful links for understanding both Ripple and its recent rise in value:


RL is also hiring, for anyone interested in diving in deep.

xrptalk.org :: setup a wallet + trade all currencies :: gateway reviews @ coinist.co :: deposit to buy xrp @ snapswap [now supporting PayPal withdrawls + instant ACH transfer deposits]
CrossCoin Ventures startup accelerator - offering XRP funding up to $50,000 USD equivalent
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November 23, 2014, 08:49:01 PM
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lol ripple bs again  Grin Grin Grin

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November 23, 2014, 08:52:39 PM
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lol so funny to read how stupid people can be. just calling ripple is a scam because you believe altcoins are better shows that you will never be a winner.

a real good investor keeps his eyes open for all new things. if it doesnt fit your way of thinking thats ok but that doesnt mean its a scam!

ripple isnt better or worse then altcoins its just another system which focusses on the legal market. most altcoins and btc only are succesfull due to illegal markets and that will be the reason they will never be big. at least not untill they change it to be able to enter regular markets

 
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November 23, 2014, 08:58:50 PM
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but
Why did the founder leave Ripple for Stellar?

personal matters?

Every company has its startup problems.

I love how ripple brings out the lurkers with 0 activity. Wink

Ripple Labs employees prominent on these boards:

  • misterbigg - activity: 574
  • joelkatz - activity: 1218

I am not arguing that their opinion is more valuable than your own. I am intending to question whether or not account activity is the most meaningful criteria for evaluating posts. A majority of the Ripple community does not post on these forums, and so frequently post under new/low activity accounts when/if they feel compelled to comment (xrptalk.org is their main hub).

Useful links for understanding both Ripple and its recent rise in value:


RL is also hiring, for anyone interested in diving in deep.

This is what I meant....Plus some are lurkers on both...

"A majority of the Ripple community does not post on these forums, and so frequently post uder new/low activity accounts when/if they feel compelled to comment (xrptalk.org is their main hub)."

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