NSA - BEHIND BITCOIN???

[egyproductions]

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/nsa-bitcoin-1996/

Well basically this article claims that satoshi was actually a "retired" nsa agent, i put quotations around retired cause i have no clue why the article author is making the assumption that he retired.

Basically i knew this for a long time, that bitcoin is actually made to enslave us even more, and thats the reason i am investing in it... Sounds stupid right?
Well no, the fact that the nsa is behind all this i know that its not going to fail, and yes one day the whole world will be using bitcoin, a currency that does not physically exists and has no intrinsic value.
Isn't it obvious? First human beings used trade using commodities, anything with intrinsic value was regarded as money, then we started using gold, again, it holds physical value. Then the deception began, they took the gold, gave us paper, and told us the value was in the gold we had in the banks, then that disappeared.
So we had valueless paper that we call money, then we slowly started losing the paper, you see, you cant have total control over people if you cannot see their money, they can still hide it. So digital money was introduced, through credit cards and banks, soon the paper will disappear, and we will only have digital currency (this will be the triggered by the dollar collapse) the world will have no solution except digital currency, with break through technology like the blockchain, it will be the only way to go on with the economy, and all that will be done in the name of freedom and privacy.

So what does this mean?
Its too late to do anything...
So invest in bitcoin!!!!

What do you think?

[TinaK]

tattle, staple of jokes

[Billbags]

No, dig deeper.

[egyproductions]

It only makes sense.. Connect the dots

[S.Boxx]

Do your research......

http://originalcontroltheory.tumblr.com/

.....and there is another thread about this stuff going on right now........

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235289.msg9636129#msg9636129

[Melbustus]

First of all, bitcoin is open source code. Satoshi could prove himself to be the NSA, Ben Bernanke, or Bill Cosby and it wouldn't affect my opinion of the technology one way or the other. What matters is how bitcoin works, and how it's going to evolve in the future; not what it's origin is.

Secondly, that NSA system seems much more like a re-hash (har har) of David Chaum's work, than it does a more direct bitcoin pre-cursor. By contrast, early systems such as b-money, RPOW, and Bit gold seem much more bitcoin-like. Adam Back was kind enough to lay some of this out recently:

Expanding beyond Chaum's scheme, let me see if I've got the early attempts right:

eCash:
-- Pioneered digital signatures to do untraceable spending. "Good privacy".
-- Relied on a bank ("weak survivability"), and did not sufficiently solve double-spending

I think there are two things:

online chaum ecash, has central double spending protection.  that works very reliably right up until the central server goes offline (which it did when digicash went out of business).

offline chaum ecash, the double spending protection is weak because its just a deterrent.  all it does is identify who double spent (up to the limits of identification, which can be subject to identity fraud etc), following which presumably some sanction happens - person gets sued? conventional account frozen if assets in it to recoup losses or something.

not really compatible with an identityless model.

Hashcash:
-- Pioneered hashing-based proof-of-work. Built originally as an anti-DoS system that could be incorporated into a variety of projects.
-- Was not designed as a generalized digital-cash/monetary system

right so hashcash stamps are more like on-use stamps (for email postage, prevent server resource abuse etc).

people pretty much immediately after hashcash was released started observing that hashcash was like digital gold, and trying to work out how to control inflation.  No one really figured it out until Satoshi.  I think the difference is he didnt try to fix price inflation to zero (which seems to fail as it seems to require an outside data feed which becomes a point of centralisation or central rate setting policy) but rather controlled the supply inflation instead which is internally achievable without external reference.

b-money:
-- Used Hashcash to generate coins
-- The practical-to-implement version still relied on a collection of authoritative servers to do double-spend protection.

right.  b-money was an idea only.   probably other non-trivial things to work out to make it practical.

Sander & Ta-Shma:
-- Auditable and anonymous cash
-- Still has a bank. From the paper's abstract: "The security of the system relies instead on the ability of the bank to maintain the integrity of a public database", which seems like a fatal survivability issue.

they proposed it in the context of audit of a bank.  but because its keyless it is compatible with p2p use and people noticed that at the time as I recall.  so if you figure out a way to do p2p ecash (which satoshi did) then you can combine it with Sander & Ta-Shma to get cryptographic privacy via ZK set-membership proof, and this is what zerocoin did - use (and optimize) sander & ta-shma with bitcoin.  not fully implemented, but fully specified and practical if a bit inefficient.

RPOW:
-- Used Hashcash (directly, or Hashcash "style"?) proofs-of-work and extended to be "reusable". Double-spend protection done via remote servers operating on trusted-computing platforms.
-- TCs can still have attack vectors pertaining to hardware manufacturers' original keys.

its pretty easy to implement hashcash - I am not sure if he used the reference library (it is quite optimised in assembler so he may have) probably the RPOW code is online.  Hashcash is an algorithm (mathematical description) and there is a library/implementation focused at telnet protocols.  Easy to use the algorithm for non-telnet encoding.

Bit gold:
-- Used a proof-of-work (was it actually Hashcash?) in the definition of coins as a chain of proofs-of-work
-- Described the idea of using distributed secure time-stamping to log these proofs in a "title registry".
-- Never adequately described how the distributed secure time-stamping and title-registry-appending could actually work in practice.

Yes bit-gold proposed to use hashcash (I was unsure, but a while back found a clear reference on one of Nick Szabo's pages about it from a decade plus ago).

And do you have a link to your variant of Brand's work?

no not really.  There is a footnote in the thesis but I was unable to find the manuscript as its a masters thesis.  I could write it up a bit better some time, but for someone familiar with the protocol details they could probably make it work from what was said in OP.  The brands protocol itself is implemented eg http://cypherspace.org/credlib/ and links to papers there, and microsoft (who released the patents under a very open license) has an implementation also.

Adam

[egyproductions]

I understand where you're coming from, but you see, why would okomato write a report for the national security agency?

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/is-the-national-security-agency-behind-bitcoin/

He's also a cryptographer
http://www.iacr.org/cryptodb/data/author.php?authorkey=59


Don't get me wrong, if anything this makes me feel more secure about bitcoin, those people have never failed for hundreds of years.

I am  more certain than ever that Bitcoin will exceed the 100k mark

[Billbags]

^ Why would Gavin go meet with the NSA? If they ask, you do....so he did.

[Beliathon]

^ Why would Gavin go meet with the NSA? If they ask, you do....so he did.

If you say no... you're still getting a meeting with them.

[Melbustus]

I understand where you're coming from, but you see, why would okomato write a report for the national security agency?

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/is-the-national-security-agency-behind-bitcoin/

He's also a cryptographer
http://www.iacr.org/cryptodb/data/author.php?authorkey=59


Don't get me wrong, if anything this makes me feel more secure about bitcoin, those people have never failed for hundreds of years.

I am  more certain than ever that Bitcoin will exceed the 100k mark

I think you need to have some appreciation for the fact that there's a lot of crossover in the intellectual work between top cryptographers and top cryptographer-employers like the NSA. The ideas circulate, get discussed, evolved, partially implemented here and there, poked and prodded, etc. The fact that the NSA was interested in digital cash in 1996 is hardly surprising, nor is the form it took (ie, some evolution of Chaum's ideas, notions of which were popular at the time).

If you're looking for evolutionary ancestors to Bitcoin, Bit gold looks far closer: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2005/12/bit-gold.html.

Not saying it wasn't an NSA project, though. Who knows. Doesn't matter.

[Billbags]

^ Now add this to BitGold:

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2007/06/nanobarter.html?m=

Of course you would need this included also:

http://szabo.best.vwh.net/scarce.html

I do agree that it doesn't really matter, it is an open-source project that's already out in the wild.

[freedombit]

Maybe a division of the CIA. NSA listens to the world, the CIA acts on it.

[freedomno1]

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/nsa-bitcoin-1996/

Well basically this article claims that satoshi was actually a "retired" nsa agent, i put quotations around retired cause i have no clue why the article author is making the assumption that he retired.

What do you think?

Great fiction novel
I can see it being made into a movie
Dig a bit deeper to find the true weapon were building known only to the Hero and Legend members on the forum 
(Were all in on it hehe)

[cbeast]

Bitcoin is an intelligence tool, just not that kind of intelligence tool.

[Mensa]

uhm... nah

[e1ghtSpace]

What if the NSA created bitcoin to catch drug dealers and stuff?

Mind Blown

[albus]

What if the NSA created bitcoin to catch drug dealers and stuff?

Mind Blown

Yup seems to be working quite well these days

[Soros Shorts]

Yes, they are!!! Isn't that cool or what?!?

Next topic ....

[Bitcoin Seller]

I don't think it does matter really , since Bitcoin is an open source and it dosen't need goverments to work. so yeah...

[247casino]

The biggest LIE that all of those that blindly believe in bitcoin is that it is open source

99.9% of the world has no real clue what open source is, and 99% of the bitcoin crowd doesn't either

As a misanthrope I honestly believe 99.99% of humanity is a waste of energy and needs to be exterminated

That all being said I will expound upon the above and show you just how little the experts on bitcoin know

a. the first bitcoin core was not open, it was closed and it generated a ton of coins for very few people

b. bitcoin is open source, but this is what that means, that means anyone that knows how to read code can view the source and pick apart its weaknesses, and bitcoin's core is weak, the reason it is weak is that the whole Snowden affair over NSA documents involves the NSA's ability to issue corrupt seed keys through NIST for ECC style encryption, and Bitcoin uses ECC crypto, the stuff the NSA is know to have corrupted.

c. Guys with no real crypto experience that think bitcoin came from god then say oh no bitcoin uses Koblitz curve ECC, well Koblitz is one of the original movers of all ECC crypto and he has long connections to the NSA and literally three days before the Satoshi white paper came to light Koblitz the guy whose crypto is used by bitcoin, released a paper praising himself, the NSA and ECC as to how secure it was, now today we know that ECC is totally backdoored by the NSA, so if you have even a minor IQ you realize that the crypto bitcoin uses is backdoored as all ECC crypto is.

Now the koolaid believers in crypto refuse to believe these FACTS, so they cry and call names and moan it's all lies, yet the fact is even the name the NSA used shows an intelligence org created btc, Nakamoto Satoshi is loosely translated into CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE.

NSA contros crypto in USA and the WORLD, so they did it and they used Satoshi Nakamoto as inside joke to point to the CIA.

To me, it's a new internet currency and since everything is back doored, so what, all I know is for bitcoin casinos and porn and other adult stuff you can take it and spend it and convert it, so I could care less what it's worth, as long as it has a value I can take it today and buy something or keep some or convert it.

It's not the holy grail to me, it's in my opinion an intelligence operation like TOR is.

Just search on search engines for CIA BITCOIN

Then read the info and you can wiki the names and see these guys in crypto exist they have long ties to the NSA and yes there's a reason no one has ever seen Satoshi, he's what they call a LEGEND in spookland, and a legend is a fake person.

Bitcoin was designed for dark ops, drugs, maybe gambling, child porn and the sex slave trade, IMO.

If you don't think the NSA is involved in massive drug ops or the CIA, then you don't know history.

So the NSA and CIA can now use bitcoin to fund their black op activities and have no banking trace.

Plus the backdoor allows them to bust anyone they want.