If without religion/cristianity we would be ahead 1000 years

[zimmah]

Then why were we so much ahead on the native americans?

[dank]

The native americans would say otherwise.  You think we are ahead because we have fancy toys called technology.  Yet they would say they arr ahead, because they have no need for external technology to be happy or to live.

The first world is truly the third world.  All technology is just a mediocre replication of what we can already do with our mind.

Remove religion, fine, mainstream religions are full of dogma, half truths and many falsities.  They are power structures.

Remove spiritually and you remove love.  A world without love is what you call hell.

[b!z]

Yes, that's true. The Abrahamic religions have destroyed mankind.

Work on your reading comprehension skills.

[luckyluigi]

Can't tell if everyone in this thread is trolling or not.

[b!z]

Yes, that's true. The Abrahamic religions have destroyed mankind.

Work on your reading comprehension skills.

lol he deleted his post

[EternalWingsofGod]

The native americans would say otherwise.  You think we are ahead because we have fancy toys called technology.  Yet they would say they arr ahead, because they have no need for external technology to be happy or to live.

The first world is truly the third world.  All technology is just a mediocre replication of what we can already do with our mind.

Remove religion, fine, mainstream religions are full of dogma, half truths and many falsities.  They are power structures.

Remove spiritually and you remove love.  A world without love is what you call hell.

Interesting I'll go with Dank

They were societally closer to a utopia in the sense they were satisfied with their lives and lived sustainably

On the other hand we would have been much better off in a sense with the tech we have now if we started a 1000 years earlier
This place might be a giant dump...

Or maybe the Robots would invade in the Year 2000 the real Y2K in the alternate universe XD

[b!z]

I'm leaving this thread now before the conspiracy theorists come

[patt0]

Then why were we so much ahead on the native americans?

I think most Native Americans were killed by diseases Europeans carried with them to the new world. : /
Some say that without that the outcome might have been different.

[dank]

Then why were we so much ahead on the native americans?

I think most Native Americans were killed by diseases Europeans carried with them to the new world. : /
Some say that without that the outcome might have been different.

Lets not forget the millions we invaded, destroyed homes of and killed.

[patt0]

^ Yes that's true, but I was answering his question. Some argue that if it wasn't for diseases having killed so many of them first it would have been very difficult for the colonies to have been formed and expand so easily.

[BADecker]

We see much friendship between American Indians and Whites at many different times. The BIG problems came over the understanding of private property, especially as it pertained to land. Indians held all land to be social property, belonging to all. Whites held the same idea for some property, but also held the idea that some of the land would be each individual's own private property.

To the Whites, open range was there to be taken, parceled off for ownership, and held and used by the owner. Indians already owned the land in concert, and they all knew it. For this reason they didn't have any recognizable boundaries and property rights, at least none that the Whites could see.

Because of this, trouble erupted when Whites tried to take private ownership of sections of land, blocking all others, even the Indians, who had been using what they though was their free land for centuries.

[BADecker]

Because of the faith of Abraham, God promised him many descendants. God even promised the Savior to come through Abraham's family line. In the Savior, all the nations of the earth are blessed.

The family line of Abraham turns out to be one of the nicest groups of people ever. They are also some of the most stubborn. Because they are as stubborn as they are, when some of them turned bad, they became some of the worst bad people that existed. God saw to it, because of His promise to Abraham, that there were always those who remained faithful to God... remained nice people.

The Savior has come and done His work. But God, because of His promise to Abraham, is still seeing to it that the good descendants of Abraham are among the most favored people in the world. If they are not favored by being liked, then they are favored by being wise, smart, able to become wealthy, generally nice, usually good looking... simply top people.

God is doing it.

[patt0]

^ Resuming, the colonists stole whatever they wanted and killed those who complained. : /

And I don't think God had anything to do with it. It was more all the wars, and resources stolen from other places that made Europe and then America rich and powerful.

[BADecker]

^ Resuming, the colonists stole whatever they wanted and killed those who complained. : /

And I don't think God had anything to do with it. It was more all the wars, and resources stolen from other places that made Europe and then America rich and powerful.

And, the Indians did the same at times.

It's everybody's fault for not getting down to clear terms ahead of time, before showing and trading your wares.

However, if you as a White happen to be allowed to live on a reservation with the Indians there, until you become top-notch friends with them, keep anything of value under lock and key. If you don't, it will walk.

[Mr Tsoutsounopaiktis]

The American Indian Holocaust, known as the “500 year war” and the “World’s Longest Holocaust In The History Of Mankind And Loss Of Human Lives.”

Death Toll: 95,000,000 to 114,000,000

American Holocaust: D. Stannard (Oxford Press, 1992) - “over 100 million killed” “[Christopher] Columbus personally murdered half a million Natives”

source: http://espressostalinist.com/genocide/native-american-genocide/

[BADecker]

Wow! If Columbus really personally killed 500,000 Indians, working in 8-hour shifts (8 on, 16 off) it would have taken him almost 2 and a half weeks to get the job done. If he had weekends off, and time for lunch and breaks inside the 8-hour shifts, it would have taken over 3 weeks! Fantastic.

He might have said he was Christian. He might have thought he was Christian. But he was not acting the Christianity of the Bible, or of Jesus. If he didn't repent later in life, he will rot in Hell.



EDIT: Sorry. I forgot to mention the part about him killing one a second. Did you figure it out anyway?

EDIT2: Let me also say, if he happens to have repented and been forgiven, probably is position in Heaven will be far less glorious than it would have been if he had been kind and upright with them.

[Gleb Gamow]

Then why were we so much ahead on the native americans?

I'm willing to bet it was Christians who introduced Native Americans to the horse and guns. And, I don't believe they were major whiskey producers prior to being introduced to that.

[patt0]

^ Resuming, the colonists stole whatever they wanted and killed those who complained. : /

And I don't think God had anything to do with it. It was more all the wars, and resources stolen from other places that made Europe and then America rich and powerful.

And, the Indians did the same at times.

It's everybody's fault for not getting down to clear terms ahead of time, before showing and trading your wares.

However, if you as a White happen to be allowed to live on a reservation with the Indians there, until you become top-notch friends with them, keep anything of value under lock and key. If you don't, it will walk.

Yes it's everybody's fault. Who did the Native Americans think they were to be living in the land the colonists wanted to steal? I don't think they came to Europe and tried to steal our land and resources. You're just blaming the victims here. : /

Wow! If Columbus really personally killed 500,000 Indians, working in 8-hour shifts (8 on, 16 off) it would have taken him almost 2 and a half weeks to get the job done. If he had weekends off, and time for lunch and breaks inside the 8-hour shifts, it would have taken over 3 weeks! Fantastic.

He might have said he was Christian. He might have thought he was Christian. But he was not acting the Christianity of the Bible, or of Jesus. If he didn't repent later in life, he will rot in Hell.



EDIT: Sorry. I forgot to mention the part about him killing one a second. Did you figure it out anyway?

EDIT2: Let me also say, if he happens to have repented and been forgiven, probably is position in Heaven will be far less glorious than it would have been if he had been kind and upright with them.

I don't think religion had much to do with it, but looking to the old testament I think God wouldn't have any problem with killing tens or hundreds of thousands of people at least. God certainly did several times. : /
And Columbus was the governor of Hispaniola and atrocities were common while he ruled.

[BADecker]

I don't think religion had much to do with it, but looking to the old testament I think God wouldn't have any problem with killing tens or hundreds of thousands of people at least. God certainly did several times. : /
And Columbus was the governor of Hispaniola and atrocities were common while he ruled.

When God made the world, He did it for His own reasons. Among them were for His own pleasure, and for ours. The world was a thing of strong and delicate balance at the same time. Who can second guess why God made it this way? Perhaps it is the best way to make it.

When man listened to the devil and ate the fruit, he broke the whole base system for the universe - love of God, and love of fellow man. How does that work, breaking the love? Think of how you feel when your kids that you have done everything for and have given everything to, simply rebel and spit in your face, and turn away.

You don't stop loving your kids. You still love them and try to help them out of the messes they get themselves into. God is like this, as well.

This universe is down the tubes because of what man has done... sin. Christianity started back at the beginning to save man, even though it wasn't called by that name back then.

God allowed Himself to be wiped out by the sins of man. He did this through the death of His Son, Jesus, the Christ of Christianity. Some of you may, out of love, have allowed your rebellious kids to wipe you out. God is GOD. He can't be destroyed, even when He is wiped out. Ultimately it is His kids who will wind up destroying themselves when they rebel.

There is going to be a resurrection, and a final judgment for all. Those who remain rebellious towards God will be destroyed. The punishment in that destruction will be meted out according to the amount of rebellion that they perpetrated while they lived this life.

NOW THINK ABOUT THIS. When God destroys a rebellious nation here, a nation that will not turn to Him and to His Christianity - the only way that they can be saved - God is doing them a great big favor. How? He is keeping them from sinning more. This way their punishment in the final judgment will be less. In other words, they are the ones who are really destroying themselves by resisting God, Who cannot be resisted. God is simply making their ultimate pain to be less by destroying them from this life.

Perhaps you never had the opportunity to stand on ice. But if you have and did, you know how slippery it was at times. Sometimes a bunch of kids will pile themselves up on the ice. If you try to push them, you will only move yourself. You will slide rather than the heavy pile of kids. That's what it is like pushing at God in rebellion. He doesn't want or need to fight you off. You can't move Him. You simply destroy yourself. If it appears that you die young because He steps in and squashes you, thank Him tremendously that He didn't let you destroy yourself in the final judgment in a worse way than you are doing, by rebelling against Him even more in this life.

Rather, turn to Him. He doesn't want to see you destroyed, either with or without His added push. He is willing to forgive, any time, anywhere, any way, for any sin, except the sin where you LOCK yourself into not accepting Him, where you can't be changed to faith no matter what. Most unbelievers do this when they die.

Read this slowly, and see how you pass your unbelief in Christianity on to your kids, adding to your rebellion. This is what the Muslims and other religions do.

Christians may use Christianity incorrectly at times. Often they do it without knowing what they are doing. They are people. You can expect it from them just as you might expect it from anyone else.

The answer to the question of what would have happened if there were no Christianity isn't clear, but it is probably one of two answers:
1. There wouldn't be any universe, earth or people;
2. All would have been destroyed in the anger of God right at the time of the fall into sin in the Garden.

[pedrog]

The American Indian Holocaust, known as the “500 year war” and the “World’s Longest Holocaust In The History Of Mankind And Loss Of Human Lives.”

Death Toll: 95,000,000 to 114,000,000

American Holocaust: D. Stannard (Oxford Press, 1992) - “over 100 million killed” “[Christopher] Columbus personally murdered half a million Natives”

source: http://espressostalinist.com/genocide/native-american-genocide/

That's just for North America, right?