Russia Changes Law to Allow Guns for Self Defense?

[BADecker]

From http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/167021-2014-11-26-russia-changes-law-to-allow-guns-for-self-defense.htm :

In 2013, it was reported that the Russian organization, The Right to Bear Arms, had only 1,000 members.  It was founded by Maria Butina, the 24 year old redhead pictured in the video and above.

Now we learn that Russian law has been changed to allow the civil population to carry lethal weapons for self defense.  From sputnicknews.com, on 18 November, 2014:

MOSCOW, November 18 (Sputnik) — Russia has updated its legislation to allow civilians to carry firearms for self-defense, according to an amended decree on lethal weapons that appeared Tuesday on the official database of Russian laws and legal documents.

It is not clear who exactly will be able to qualify to own pistols, for example.  It is not impossible to obtain a license to own a shotgun in Russia, but a person has to be a shotgun owner for several years before they may purchase a rifle.

More info at http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/11/no_author/all-citizens-may-now-carry-firearms-for-self-defense/ .

Or watch the video "Maria Butina, Chairman of the Russian organization The Right to Bear Arms" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blEiQHy3_gw .

[b!z]

interesting news

[Balthazar]

This law was under discussion during last year... Passed and became active since 18th Nov. Some people are afraid arguing that this law can result with massacres... But other people see no problem here, saying that it's just another step on the way to liberalization and returning to old values... They mention that there were no limitations policy during the imperial times, it was allowed to hold and carry any amount of weapons until bolsheviks came to power in 1917.

[Lauda]

This law was under discussion during last year... Passed and became active since 18th Nov. Some people are afraid arguing that this law can result with massacres... But other people see no problem here, saying that it's just another step on the way to liberalization and returning to old values... They mention that there were no limitations policy during the imperial times, it was allowed to hold and carry any amount of weapons until bolsheviks came to power in 1917.

Well disallowing guns can lead to massacres anyways. I mean how hard is it to obtain a gun?
Almost as hard as buying bubblegum in the store, a bit easier maybe.

[Balthazar]

I mean how hard is it to obtain a gun?

Licensing process is still in force at the moment. Rules are very similar to german or australian, but procedure is a bit more bureaucratized.

Basic algo is:

1. Get a certificate confirming that you're 1) neither drug addict nor alcoholic, 2) not suffering from mental disorders;
2. Buy a gun safe;
3. Pass an exam on rules for safe gun handling. It's not required if you have a hunting license;
4. Local police officer should conduct an inspection of your storage facilities and that you are storing your firearm correctly;
5. Pay a small fee, it's 110 rubles now;
6. Provide a report on the inspection and certificate from the doctors to department of licensing at the local police station;
7. Buy a weapon;
8. Come back to the police department to register your weapon;
9. Now you're happy owner of shotgun.

However it's actually not a problem because you're allowed to get a license even if you were convicted in the past. Entire process usually takes from 4 to 6 weeks.

P.S. Steps 1-4 are required only if you're buying the weapon for the first time.

[BADecker]

The biggest gun massacres happen when the government forces slavery on its unarmed populace. The ONLY reason Russia is offering any semblance of freedom is because they have seen in the past that, practically speaking, the Bolshevik way doesn't work.

A second reason might be that they are trying to make Russia look SOOOO good to outsiders that people will become willing slaves of Russia rather than remaining willing slaves of the United States or some other nation.

[pandher]

Nice, should be like this in every country

[spinf]

funny that at the same time the US is moving (slowly) in the opposite direction

[spinf]

Nice, should be like this in every country

not sure I would like my weird neighbor to have a gun...

[BADecker]

Nice, should be like this in every country

not sure I would like my weird neighbor to have a gun...

He's not sure he wants to tell you he has one.   

[Balthazar]

Nice, should be like this in every country

not sure I would like my weird neighbor to have a gun...

1. Get a certificate confirming that you're 1) neither drug addict nor alcoholic, 2) not suffering from mental disorders;

I think that weird guy won't pass this step.

[TaunSew]

The biggest gun massacres happen when the government forces slavery on its unarmed populace. The ONLY reason Russia is offering any semblance of freedom is because they have seen in the past that, practically speaking, the Bolshevik way doesn't work.

A second reason might be that they are trying to make Russia look SOOOO good to outsiders that people will become willing slaves of Russia rather than remaining willing slaves of the United States or some other nation.

If they offered 40 acres and a Svetlana then a lot of men will move to Russia.

[Lauda]

I mean how hard is it to obtain a gun?

Licensing process is still in force at the moment. Rules are very similar to german or australian, but procedure is a bit more bureaucratized.
Basic algo is:

1. Get a certificate confirming that you're 1) neither drug addict nor alcoholic, 2) not suffering from mental disorders;
2. Buy a gun safe;
3. Pass an exam on rules for safe gun handling. It's not required if you have a hunting license;
4. Local police officer should conduct an inspection of your storage facilities and that you are storing your firearm correctly;
5. Pay a small fee, it's 110 rubles now;
6. Provide a report on the inspection and certificate from the doctors to department of licensing at the local police station;
7. Buy a weapon;
8. Come back to the police department to register your weapon;
9. Now you're happy owner of shotgun.

However it's actually not a problem because you're allowed to get a license even if you were convicted in the past. Entire process usually takes from 4 to 6 weeks.

P.S. Steps 1-4 are required only if you're buying the weapon for the first time.

Wait a minute, this is not what I meant. I was talking in a scenario where it was not allowed to own a gun. Getting one by illegal means.

[Balthazar]

Wait a minute, this is not what I meant. I was talking in a scenario where it was not allowed to own a gun. Getting one by illegal means.

That's not a problem at all... Just one example, Nagant M1895 costs from $20 to $50 depending on the condition... It's a pretty old device but still very usable.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh1mojMaEtM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIePW1wYZds

[LeoN147]

According so much bullsh*t happening in my country and I'm myself afraid simply anyone to kick my door and kill me then steal my stuff, I bought a gun (Everything is alright when it comes to paper lol), I live in Egypt.
It had been a mess in the past few years and I walk with my gun to work daily and won't mind using it anytime in the sake of my safety or my family's safety.
If this will make people more safe, Then I'm giving a thumbsup for this law.

[BADecker]

In America, in the State of Arizona, concealed carry without registration or permit is legal. This means that any time people want to have a pistol concealed on their person, under their clothing, they can do it legally, in Arizona. No registration. Not even notification. Anybody can have a gun, and it can be a very powerful gun, with nobody knowing about it. If they can hide it well, you will never know.

Cody Wilson has shown how people can print working plastic guns at home with a computer printer. Some people have. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5fhBBipU3w

Cody Wilson also makes a $1200 table-top CNC milling machine that can make the lower receiver for different kinds of guns. You buy the rest of the parts of the gun, separately. You make the important part at home. Virtually untraceable guns. Nobody knows you have them. Nobody knows they exist. http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/163972-2014-10-01-the-1-200-machine-that-lets-anyone-make-a-metal.htm