Could this be Satoshi back in 2002

[Nerazzura]

The idea of a peer to peer banking system isn't new, many people had dreamed about it or tried to make it and Satoshi probably wasn't the first one think about it. So there is little chance he could be Satoshi.

if only there was someone with influence in this world that fight might dream would come true. so, more precisely its need someone who gives it a chance.

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[247poker]

Watch how th NSA assassinates the poor shmuck now using his IP

http://whois.domaintools.com/213.84.232.11

It's probably the professor in NL that created ECC, and he used Neal Koblitz to hide it was him (reason to use Koblitz curves).

So Satoshi was the original professor from 1970's that really created ECC.

Hmmm

Anyone can read the thread and see bitcoin seed thoughts in this post and how the public reacted.

Great find, it's the professor in the NL that created ECC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Lenstra

That was Lenstra's IP in 2002 right from the NL

The grand daddy of ECC crypto

[TippingPoint]

Not significant by itself, but may provide further leads, his public email addresses from May 2000

hwl@math.leidenuniv.nl.
hwl@math.berkeley.edu

[1anonymous]

Not significant by itself, but may provide further leads, his public email address from May 2000

hwl@math.leidenuniv.nl.

That's Lenstra's email, are you saying that was the email of the guy in 2002 that put out the idea that some think is Satoshi?

Or are you saying yeah this is Lenstra's known email from 2000 era?

Lenstra is a major figure in crypto and that is a good reason to implicate him as Satoshi in that post above saying the main crypto guy in ECC that may have posted that 2002 post was in NL as the post to usenet came from there.

When you start looking at major crypto guys you have

USA Koblitz (curves used in btc)
NL Lenstra (created ECC)
Canada (several guys)
A few euro countries (several guys)

[L.Detweiler]

Thread from 2002

https://groups.google.com/d/topic/uk.finance/-Ko72tv170I/discussion


I probably think it's Satoshi
reddit discussion: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2nicip/found_this_gem_newsgroups_from_2002/

FOr some reasons I don't think it's him :p and let's say it's him , did Bitcoin took him over 7 years to develop it ? (guessing that he started in 2002)

Bitcoin took a lot longer than 7 years to create:

-1992 The Cypherpunks create an anonymous mailer for like-minded users to share ideas.(Eric Hughes, Tim May, Hal Finney, Wei Dai, Nick Szabo, Adam Back, Ray Dillenger, Zooko, etc….)
https://www.cypherpunks.to/faq/cyphernomicron/cyphernomicon.txt

-1995 Tim May posts a call to the Cypherpunks to create a decentralised electronic currency.
http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1995/09/msg00964.html

-1995 Nick Szabo answers Tim’s call(He also has smart contracts to include once it gets going)
http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1995/09/msg01303.html

-1996 Wei Dai PipeNet 1.1
http://www.weidai.com/pipenet.txt

-1997 Tim Mays Anonymous Digital Cash paper.
http://osaka.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/tcmay.htm

-1997 Adam Backs “Hashash”
http://www.hashcash.org/

- 1998 Wei Dai elaborates on Tim’s idea for a digital currency and called it “Bmoney”.(It reads like the beginning idea of BitGold/Bitcoin)
http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt

-1998 Szabo had a simular more detailed idea “BitGold” soon after Dai’s paper and he worked relentlessly on making that idea work.
http://szabo.best.vwh.net/intrapoly.html
http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1995/09/msg00988.htmle

-1999 Szabo mentions bitgold and talk of a special “ASIC” type chip that could be used for mining.
http://szabo.best.vwh.net/intrapoly.html

- 2004 Hal Finney’s “RPOW” was the missing piece of the puzzle. “RPOW” was added on top of Adam Back’s “HashCash”. (The solution for the Byzantine General’s Problem which allows BitGold/Bitcoin to be completed)
http://cryptome.org/rpow.htm

-2004 Wei Dai’s c++ library

-2005 Nick Szabo publishes BitGold paper.
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2005/12/bit-gold.html?m=1

2007 Satoshi says he started putting Bitcoin together.

2007 Szabo & Zooko put ideas together.
Zooko: "I want to invent something else: a truly decentralized economic mechanism.  Research that points in this direction includes the sub-field of "algorithmic mechanism design" within economic game theory, some peer-to-peer research such as GNUnet, Wei Dai's and Nick Szabo's ideas about "bit gold", Nick Szabo's "smart contracts", and much more.Another inspiration is BitTorrent's tit-for-tat mechanism, which is decentralized and minimal, but gets the job done within its limited problem domain."
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2007-June/000022.html
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2007-June/000025.html

2007 Szabo Blogging about two ideas. BitGold and Scarce Objects(finite supply like Bitcoin) plus “Nanobarter”
Note: These ideas put together with Zooko’s “p2p with nodes” (Nanobarter) is Bitcoin
http://web.archive.org/web/20070625154046/http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/
http://web.archive.org/web/20070618142414/http://szabo.best.vwh.net/scarce.html

-2008 Szabo calls out to the cypherpunks for help to finalize coding BitGold and run a test net a few months before the white paper gets published online.
https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/

*Szabo’s post for assistance:
“Bitgold would greatly benefit from a demonstration, an experimental market (with e.g. a trusted third party substituted for the complex security that would be needed for a real system). Anybody want to help me code one up?”

-Satoshi Nakamoto appears out of thin air and introduces Bitcoin right in the middle of the economic crisis that was saturated in the news at that time and then disappears.

More info:
http://originalcontroltheory.tumblr.com/

[TippingPoint]

Not significant by itself, but may provide further leads, his public email address from May 2000

hwl@math.leidenuniv.nl.

That's Lenstra's email, are you saying that was the email of the guy in 2002 that put out the idea that some think is Satoshi?

Or are you saying yeah this is Lenstra's known email from 2000 era?

It might be useful in comparing known Lenstra writings with the vocabulary and sentence structure used by "x".

I have this idea of a future with virtual peer to peer banking. A kind of
decentralized and secured system. Gone would be the times that governments
and banks can track and interfere with our money transfers. Or even
interfere with the total amount of money on earth. My envisioned sytem would
have a fixed total amount of money. But each money unit (say virtual coin)
is divisable indefinitely. So a kind of deflation would replace inflation.
The total value of the money in the world would be a fixed number. It poses
no problem for liquidity, because the currency can be divided anytime.
However maybe people will not spend their money much, because it's value
will increase often. Other problems raise in the areas of security,
malicious use, and how to come towards such system from current systems?
These are just ideas, I like to hear comments or about net resources on this
subject.

Maybe the community can bypass the old powers (countries and governments).
It wouldn't be a revolution, but rather evolution. Slowly a new p2p system
might take over. The current monetary systems were mainly backed with gold
(not anymore now, to my knowledge). Maybe the underlying values of a virtual
peer to peer system could be other scarce resources, relatively easy to
exchange via internet. Examples are: computer processing power, bandwith and
data storage. These resources would make a limited peer to peer money
exchange system possible. Limited to the total real life value of all these
resources. However from that point other resources could back up the virtual
currency...

It is a step in the right direction indeed. Now replace the system operator
by a secure peer to peer system. And replace the underlying currency with
something else, or slowly uncouple the underlying currency. Then it would be
the system of my ideas...

For example, two posts end with elipses, two uses of the phrase "a kind of", three uses of the word "idea", in a brief sample of writing.

[Taras]

Let's see if x steps forward to confirm or deny is satoshi-ness ^/s

[bf4btc]

The idea of a peer to peer banking system isn't new, many people had dreamed about it or tried to make it and Satoshi probably wasn't the first one think about it. So there is little chance he could be Satoshi.

Paypal had semi-recently launched when this post was made, so I would think that the author of the post likely got the idea from p2p banking from paypal.

One major thing the post does not include that Bitcoin does have is the nodes checking the timestamp of transactions and only including the transaction that has the earliest timestamp.

[247poker]

Not significant by itself, but may provide further leads, his public email address from May 2000

hwl@math.leidenuniv.nl.

That's Lenstra's email, are you saying that was the email of the guy in 2002 that put out the idea that some think is Satoshi?

Or are you saying yeah this is Lenstra's known email from 2000 era?

It might be useful in comparing known Lenstra writings with the vocabulary and sentence structure used by "x".

I have this idea of a future with virtual peer to peer banking. A kind of
decentralized and secured system. Gone would be the times that governments
and banks can track and interfere with our money transfers. Or even
interfere with the total amount of money on earth. My envisioned sytem would
have a fixed total amount of money. But each money unit (say virtual coin)
is divisable indefinitely. So a kind of deflation would replace inflation.
The total value of the money in the world would be a fixed number. It poses
no problem for liquidity, because the currency can be divided anytime.
However maybe people will not spend their money much, because it's value
will increase often. Other problems raise in the areas of security,
malicious use, and how to come towards such system from current systems?
These are just ideas, I like to hear comments or about net resources on this
subject.

Maybe the community can bypass the old powers (countries and governments).
It wouldn't be a revolution, but rather evolution. Slowly a new p2p system
might take over. The current monetary systems were mainly backed with gold
(not anymore now, to my knowledge). Maybe the underlying values of a virtual
peer to peer system could be other scarce resources, relatively easy to
exchange via internet. Examples are: computer processing power, bandwith and
data storage. These resources would make a limited peer to peer money
exchange system possible. Limited to the total real life value of all these
resources. However from that point other resources could back up the virtual
currency...

It is a step in the right direction indeed. Now replace the system operator
by a secure peer to peer system. And replace the underlying currency with
something else, or slowly uncouple the underlying currency. Then it would be
the system of my ideas...

For example, two posts end with elipses, two uses of the phrase "a kind of", three uses of the word "idea", in a brief sample of writing.

Lenstra is Dutch on the wiki page

This person had a few major spelling errors not found in Lenstra's published papers, so maybe it's Lenstra making bad spelling errors since he is Dutch. His papers would be edited heavily. So you need to find examples of him with no editors.

Here's one of his papers, well done and probably heavily edited.

http://www.ams.org/notices/200202/fea-lenstra.pdf

[BitCoinDream]

Not significant by itself, but may provide further leads, his public email address from May 2000

hwl@math.leidenuniv.nl.

That's Lenstra's email, are you saying that was the email of the guy in 2002 that put out the idea that some think is Satoshi?

Or are you saying yeah this is Lenstra's known email from 2000 era?

Lenstra is a major figure in crypto and that is a good reason to implicate him as Satoshi in that post above saying the main crypto guy in ECC that may have posted that 2002 post was in NL as the post to usenet came from there.

When you start looking at major crypto guys you have

USA Koblitz (curves used in btc)
NL Lenstra (created ECC)
Canada (several guys)
A few euro countries (several guys)

Maybe Lenstra was part of the group Satoshi.

[TippingPoint]

Looking at the hypothesis from the opposite direction, what comments has Hendrik Lenstra ever made about Bitcoin? 

[247poker]

One of the big pushers of bitcoin got his doctorate under him I read on another site, haven't seen him say boo on it.

All these crypto guys are inbred to each other like hillbillies

It's a small world, crypto

[hilariousandco]

This person had a few major spelling errors not found in Lenstra's published papers, so maybe it's Lenstra making bad spelling errors since he is Dutch. His papers would be edited heavily. So you need to find examples of him with no editors.

Here's one of his papers, well done and probably heavily edited.

There's a big difference between writing a forum post and an academic paper.

Looking at the hypothesis from the opposite direction, what comments has Hendrik Lenstra ever made about Bitcoin?  

If he was satoshi surely he wouldn't say anything or at least try to distance himself from it?

[TippingPoint]

So far, I have not found any statement from him on Bitcoin, which might be conspicuous in its absence considering his background.

He also has three brothers who are distinguished mathematicians.

So who are the known Dutch people in this forum?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=79.0
And which ones have considerable mathematical knowledge?

[BillyBobZorton]

God damn that type of thing really plays with my mind. It could perfectly be him, just being a pioneer missunderstood genius.

[doof]

See how they mocked him? Who got the last laugh, though?

EDIT:Lol, see how one person who mocked him is called 'Miner'? Oh, the irony!!!

I had the same thoughts!  Sounds like him / her / them..

[Remember remember the 5th of November]

So far, I have not found any statement from him on Bitcoin, which might be conspicuous in its absence considering his background.

He also has three brothers who are distinguished mathematicians.

So who are the known Dutch people in this forum?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=79.0
And which ones have considerable mathematical knowledge?

Silence speaks VOLUMES in this case...

I think we all just found Satoshi

Funny you google Lenstra and Bitcoin the #1 site

SOL ADONI or 247 News

haha

Now I can see people saying SOL ADONI is Satoshi

haha

https://www.google.com/search?q=lenstra+bitcoin

This is all you need to know about Crypto and all the main guys that invented all the crypto

And right in the middle of it all is Dr. Adoni calling them all thieves for stealing his 30 Mod Prime Algorithm which is what a student of Dr. Lenstra did he stole part of 30 Mod or the Ennisa Formula released in 1995 that had 30/60/90 mod prime theory fully explained, yet ten years later you had one of Lenstra PHD grad projects stealing 60Mod with the Atkin Sieve

http://247news.net/news/nsa-controls-wiki-professor/

So there you have it, Dr. Adoni is GOD OF CRYPTO and he pulls the stings

Page1 = Sol Adoni = 247news = 247poker. You are fooling nobody with that spelling, a sentence on each line. This is simple analysis of your writing style, the same type we use on Satoshi.

[cryptworld]

This is an incredible document,and it is really concrete

[junglist.massive]

meh
another satoshi

[J3VVL]

Probably just a good pipedream someone had a while back and is likely just circumstantial / coincidental to bitcoin, but I suppose it's possible he later developed the ideas, but without a detailed explanation of the technology behind it I'm sure many people have proposed the idea of a digital peer-to-peer currency before, but it does have the hallmarks of bitcoin. Maybe it took him all this time to come up with a workable solution? Who knows. Interesting anyway.

the unlimited divisible part is striking you must admit!