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June 17, 2012, 04:37:19 PM
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NO AUTO UPDATE FOR MAC OSX either please.

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June 17, 2012, 06:04:11 PM
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Lack of auto update, in practice, means lots of people don't update ever. Look at the version skew on the current network for evidence.

Old versions harm the network, are likely to have lower security for their owners, and slow down deployment of new features that can benefit the entire Bitcoin ecosystem. As you should be keeping up to date anyway, you should want a helpful auto update feature. If you don't then you're just going to cause problems later.
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June 17, 2012, 08:21:02 PM
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Auto-update is all fun and games until an update contains a vulnerability or a show-stopper bug. Sooner or later, this WILL happen.

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June 17, 2012, 09:33:46 PM
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And how are users supposed to find out about those bugs in the non-auto scenario? Reading the forums?

Nothing stops an auto update mechanism having gradual rollout strategies, like by allowing the update servers to say "only update if the hash of your first key is < X"
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June 17, 2012, 09:39:10 PM
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What I want is:

1- download bitcoin tgz file, extract the files to a custom folder,  execute the bin.
2- If a new version is released I wouldn't like to have to delete the folder and extract the files again.
 
When a new version is released I just want to be notified and asked if I want to update. (Like Firefox update process)
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June 17, 2012, 09:42:31 PM
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About auto update I prefer not comment. (Maybe only for critical vulnerabilities?)
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June 17, 2012, 09:49:50 PM
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How about auto-cripple?  Where developers can tell old versions to stop functioning, or at least to start overbearingly pester the user to upgrade.  I thought this functionality was already in there from the beginning.

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June 17, 2012, 10:04:10 PM
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I like the idea of the auto-update, I just don't like that it's forced.
- User must know that there is an update.
- User must know what the update does.
- User must able to auto-update Bitcoin with just a click.
- User should not be forced to update

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June 18, 2012, 09:36:24 AM
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Nothing stops an auto update mechanism having gradual rollout strategies
If there's auto-update, it should certainly be rolled out gradually.

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How about auto-cripple?  Where developers can tell old versions to stop functioning
You definitely don't want to tempt an attacker with the chance to cripple everyone else, while they attempt their 51% attack!

The power to deprecate old versions is already available to the network as a whole, since each node can refuse to connect to instances running an outdated version of the protocol. The network is where that power belongs - not with the developers, although developers of course can influence it by releasing new versions that are important enough to the network that it becomes worth deprecating older versions.
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June 18, 2012, 09:49:09 AM
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Nothing stops an auto update mechanism having gradual rollout strategies
If there's auto-update, it should certainly be rolled out gradually.

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How about auto-cripple?  Where developers can tell old versions to stop functioning
You definitely don't want to tempt an attacker with the chance to cripple everyone else, while they attempt their 51% attack!

The power to deprecate old versions is already available to the network as a whole, since each node can refuse to connect to instances running an outdated version of the protocol. The network is where that power belongs - not with the developers, although developers of course can influence it by releasing new versions that are important enough to the network that it becomes worth deprecating older versions.
thats excacly what alert messages does... cripple the clients...

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June 18, 2012, 04:50:55 PM
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thats excacly what alert messages does... cripple the clients...
Before Satoshi disappeared he removed crippling by alert messages. Now they just display the message.

More details here:
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2228
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June 18, 2012, 05:07:18 PM
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thats excacly what alert messages does... cripple the clients...
Before Satoshi disappeared he removed crippling by alert messages. Now they just display the message.

More details here:
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2228

was not aware of that..

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