The Origin of Cellular Life on Earth

[protokol]

This looks interesting, will watch when I get some time. I remember a BBC documentary about living cells discussing how abiogenesis may have come about, fascinating stuff.

Here's a very interesting related article in New Scientist: Synthetic enzymes hint at life without DNA or RNA

[Gleb Gamow]

I have watched about half of the first video so far. It isn't impressive.

Having read just the above 2 sentences, I already knew you were a religious fruitcake.

Up until now, atheism has been built purely on blind faith, simply because the "snippets" of science that seemed to point at evolution as being real,

And this is where I stopped reading and clicked your ignore button.

Sorry. I wasn't trying to trample on your religion. I was simply pointing out some things in the beginnings of the first video.

Boy, some of you atheists are touchy ...

And, that's were I quit reading and went directly to MFC to see if any new gals signed up today. 

[BADecker]

Having read just the above 2 sentences, I already knew you were a religious fruitcake.

...

And this is where I stopped reading and clicked your ignore button.

And, that's were I quit reading and went directly to MFC to see if any new gals signed up today. 

Ugh! Cut to the quick. My heart. Rejected (sob) by some atheists who have set themselves and their scientific leaders up as gods... gods who can't even comprehend the complexity of the universe, yet are willing to reject that there might be a real God Who made it all.

Here I am, left out in the cold again. Nobody loves me. Don't you just feel sorry for me?

I was hoping that there would have been a plausible evolution process found. Sounds strange, doesn't it, that a Christian would like to see a plausible evolution process? But if something like that were to be found, it would show just how great God made people... that they could even find a plausible process for evolution. Of course, such a process would only be a plausible one. Until we had at least a time viewer, we wouldn't be able to see for sure what happened. But think of how great of a God God would be, if He had created the universe and gave humankind such great abilities of comprehension that they could find a plausible method for evolution, even if it didn't happen like that! Wow!

Why else might I want to see a plausible evolution process? Because of this. Since scientists are having some success (extremely minor though it is) in almost starting to prove that there is no God, just think of all the success that they would have if they used the same methods, and the same materials, to prove that there IS a God... since the evidence for God abounds all around us in nature. And actually, this is exactly what the scientists are doing, if we simply apply their thinking to the evidence for God we see all around us.

[bl4kjaguar]

No reactions have been described thus far that would produce cytosine at a rate sufficient to compensate for its decomposition. On the basis of this evidence, it appears quite unlikely that cytosine played a role in the origin of life.

If the availability of the Watson–Crick pairs at the start of life appears implausible, then more attention must be given to theories that employ a very different replicator or no replicator at all.

Here is Shapiro's paper on the Cytosine Problem:

http://www.pnas.org/content/96/8/4396.full

And a discussion of Shapiro's paper can be found here:

http://creation.com/origin-of-life-instability-of-building-blocks

There is more discussion of all the related topics at the website of the $1M Origin of Life Prize:
http://www.us.net/life/

[Puppet]

ok Ill bite.

Sounds strange, doesn't it, that a Christian would like to see a plausible evolution process?

Ever heard of antibiotics and bacteria getting increasingly resistant to it?  
Ever seen a dog?
There is evolution for you. Back to ignore you go.

[bl4kjaguar]

[It is possible that] the right ingredients under the right conditions automatically leads to primitive (probably RNA based) "life" that can mutate and start a Darwinian evolution

RNA is NOT how life began.

Where is the proof for common descent?

According to the latest research, to prove common descent would require:

"theories that employ a very different replicator or no replicator at all".

So, where is the evidence for such replicators?

[BADecker]

ok Ill bite.

Sounds strange, doesn't it, that a Christian would like to see a plausible evolution process?

Ever heard of antibiotics and bacteria getting increasingly resistant to it?  
Ever seen a dog?
There is evolution for you. Back to ignore you go.

When a person writes a book, almost never is the first draft also the only and final draft. Usually he rewrites it several times until it gets to the point that it is acceptable to him. This is a form of evolution.

God built into nature extremely complex, sensitive methods for plants and animals to change (evolve) so that they can be protected as a species. There is no evidence for evolution as the method that produced life from inanimate objects. The supposed evidence can ALL be shown to exist for other purposes, or it is a total lab environment fabrication.

One of the strongest evidences for this is cause and effect. There is no pure random. Random and probability are inventions of man for determining certain cause and effect actions that man is too ignorant and unable to determine by observation alone. Since the thought of man is cause and effect operated, consider the complexity of a universe that could produce such powerful cause and effect as this. Whatever the Great First Cause is, it is God Almighty, beyond understanding.

[cellard]

[It is possible that] the right ingredients under the right conditions automatically leads to primitive (probably RNA based) "life" that can mutate and start a Darwinian evolution

RNA is NOT how life began.

Where is the proof for common descent?

According to the latest research, to prove common descent would require:

"theories that employ a very different replicator or no replicator at all".

So, where is the evidence for such replicators?

I think the theory of the asteroid hitting earth containing extraterrestial lifeforms that then developed in the perfect earth conditions is a very legit theory.