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December 03, 2014, 02:44:52 PM
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Dooglus,

I feel it necessary to bring to your attention a serious concern regarding your recent behavior, and to bring this issue to the BitcoinTalk Community, as a whole.

I feel your recent posting of 'public' negative trust to my profile, of which I find unwarranted and in no way justified considering the facts, gives me the right to bring my concerns to this public platform for me to voice my response.

The Negative Trust you posted to my account, which you did without us ever doing business, or even exchanging a private message, was as follows:


Attempted to sell a PrimeDice strategy, claiming:
"PrimeDice Strategy - 15 BTC Winnings in 24 Hrs - Limited Release" - "I'll be selling the guide including the Excel Worksheet - which calculates your strategy, bet size, payout factor, and bet size increase- on a Single Release - limited number basis, price based on the number of reasonable offers" - "Lastly, no this is not Martingale"

Not Martingale? Looks very much like it to me: http://s10.postimg.org/57jhwmfx5/image.jpg

Beware. There is no +EV strategy for -EV games.


Now, Considering these facts:

1.) I never sold any copies, took any payments, and NEVER claimed that the product I put together was a "sure fire winner". I stated clearly it was a strategy tool, and a worksheet, and not simple Martingale.

2.) I was open, honest, and replied to comments that the product simply creates alternative betting strategies, customized by the players bankroll, and playing style.

3.) You claim its just Martingale, simple as that, yet you have never seen the product, and are simply making assumptions based of a narrow view of my bets, wherein you gave an example of roughly 30 bets illustrating that Martingale is all I was doing.

4.) That said, I said publicly time and time again I was tuning my worksheet, and deviated from the strategy countless times to test different betting methods and view their outcomes. You've summed up my strategy on 30 bets where I believe Ive made hundreds of thousands of bets in total.

5.) Since you have not seen the product, nor viewed a larger snapshot of my bets, what information are you using to come to the conclusion that it's Martingale or not? I stated clearly it was a tool to create strategies. You could of course use it to devise a Martingale Strategy, but it does so much more. Regardless, you haven't seen it. So how are you providing this community with accurate information which should be trusted in your 'review'?

6.) All That I first offered, which I quickly took off the table and stated was no longer for sale, (within the first or second page) was that I was selling a strategy tool... Is that a crime? Does that constitute wrongdoing? And even if so, I ended up posting I had reconsidered and never took anyones money.

Dooglus, considering the above facts, I respectfully request that you respond and provide myself, and the community as a whole, a response as to why you felt publicly shaming me; by posting in a public forum that I am untrustworthy-- when you hadn't seen the product-- and it was well known I was no longer offering it for sale nor had I made any sales whatsoever to anyone-- that all of this and these facts, warranted or deserved your lashing out at me.

Dooglus, this is a public forum and a community, one which represents in many ways the entire Bitcoin community. If I am not mistaken this is a place where people are free to post ideas, ask questions, offer products for sale, even new products which may or may not be proven effective, a place to collaborate on new ideas, educate each other, and work together, all of us, in building a Bitcoin community we can be proud to be a part of.

I think you need to give serious thought to your behavior and to your approach on how you determine who warrants your Public Negative Trust Review.

While I am sure many bow to your Legendary Status, you are, as far as I know, not the BitcoinTalk Police.

In fact, reading your "Show Posts" under your Trust Profile makes me question whether or not you are even a benefit at all to this community at all. Your Trust Profile is filled with highly negative reviews and accusations of unscrupulous behavior. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3420

Public Trust is something that should be used for real cause, both positive and negative. It is not a platform or sounding board for your expression of free speech or to simply voice your opinion if you don't like or agree with what someone has to say.

Im asking you Dooglus, based first on this incident, which I find highly unprofessional, and secondly, after reviewing all of the negative Trust you yourself have accumulated on your profile, that perhaps it is time to step up and start actually being a Legendary Community Member.

Bitcoin has enough bad press Dooglus.  You of all people should know that. I hope you take this post not as a condemnation but rather a humble request that myself, as well as what I would guess most of the community would ask that you be: A Leader. And a fair one who leads by example, does not pass judgement until such judgement is due, conducts himself responsibly and considers the weight of his actions, and the weight of his words.

It's you who's legendary Dooglus. Perhaps its time to make that legendary with a capital L.

Respectfully,

CD

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December 03, 2014, 06:52:11 PM
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So you say you tried to sell martingale strategy for 15 btc? Just for that you deserved negative trust

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December 03, 2014, 07:03:14 PM
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I think you attempted to sell that strategy, and all along people who used to be on PD saw that you were martingaling so it wasn't only 30 bets. You also posted an analysis of the strategy today in which you implied you were using martingale method. You also mentioned that your method was +EV when it wasn't so.
All in All you did fake advertising to sell a product/service. So you deserved that negative rating
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December 03, 2014, 07:08:49 PM
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You stated is it not martingale while it is, so the negative trust is more than right. I also advise you to delete this topic if you don't want to gain any more negative trust  Cheesy
i see you are now -1.8 btc on PD, nice strategy  Cheesy


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Dooglus,

I feel it necessary to bring to your attention a serious concern regarding your recent behavior, and to bring this issue to the BitcoinTalk Community, as a whole.

I feel your recent posting of 'public' negative trust to my profile, of which I find unwarranted and in no way justified considering the facts, gives me the right to bring my concerns to this public platform for me to voice my response.

The Negative Trust you posted to my account, which you did without us ever doing business, or even exchanging a private message, was as follows:


Attempted to sell a PrimeDice strategy, claiming:
"PrimeDice Strategy - 15 BTC Winnings in 24 Hrs - Limited Release" - "I'll be selling the guide including the Excel Worksheet - which calculates your strategy, bet size, payout factor, and bet size increase- on a Single Release - limited number basis, price based on the number of reasonable offers" - "Lastly, no this is not Martingale"

Not Martingale? Looks very much like it to me: http://s10.postimg.org/57jhwmfx5/image.jpg

Beware. There is no +EV strategy for -EV games.


Now, Considering these facts:

1.) I never sold any copies, took any payments, and NEVER claimed that the product I put together was a "sure fire winner". I stated clearly it was a strategy tool, and a worksheet, and not simple Martingale.

2.) I was open, honest, and replied to comments that the product simply creates alternative betting strategies, customized by the players bankroll, and playing style.

3.) You claim its just Martingale, simple as that, yet you have never seen the product, and are simply making assumptions based of a narrow view of my bets, wherein you gave an example of roughly 30 bets illustrating that Martingale is all I was doing.

4.) That said, I said publicly time and time again I was tuning my worksheet, and deviated from the strategy countless times to test different betting methods and view their outcomes. You've summed up my strategy on 30 bets where I believe Ive made hundreds of thousands of bets in total.

5.) Since you have not seen the product, nor viewed a larger snapshot of my bets, what information are you using to come to the conclusion that it's Martingale or not? I stated clearly it was a tool to create strategies. You could of course use it to devise a Martingale Strategy, but it does so much more. Regardless, you haven't seen it. So how are you providing this community with accurate information which should be trusted in your 'review'?

6.) All That I first offered, which I quickly took off the table and stated was no longer for sale, (within the first or second page) was that I was selling a strategy tool... Is that a crime? Does that constitute wrongdoing? And even if so, I ended up posting I had reconsidered and never took anyones money.

Dooglus, considering the above facts, I respectfully request that you respond and provide myself, and the community as a whole, a response as to why you felt publicly shaming me; by posting in a public forum that I am untrustworthy-- when you hadn't seen the product-- and it was well known I was no longer offering it for sale nor had I made any sales whatsoever to anyone-- that all of this and these facts, warranted or deserved your lashing out at me.

Dooglus, this is a public forum and a community, one which represents in many ways the entire Bitcoin community. If I am not mistaken this is a place where people are free to post ideas, ask questions, offer products for sale, even new products which may or may not be proven effective, a place to collaborate on new ideas, educate each other, and work together, all of us, in building a Bitcoin community we can be proud to be a part of.

I think you need to give serious thought to your behavior and to your approach on how you determine who warrants your Public Negative Trust Review.

While I am sure many bow to your Legendary Status, you are, as far as I know, not the BitcoinTalk Police.

In fact, reading your "Show Posts" under your Trust Profile makes me question whether or not you are even a benefit at all to this community at all. Your Trust Profile is filled with highly negative reviews and accusations of unscrupulous behavior. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3420

Public Trust is something that should be used for real cause, both positive and negative. It is not a platform or sounding board for your expression of free speech or to simply voice your opinion if you don't like or agree with what someone has to say.

Im asking you Dooglus, based first on this incident, which I find highly unprofessional, and secondly, after reviewing all of the negative Trust you yourself have accumulated on your profile, that perhaps it is time to step up and start actually being a Legendary Community Member.

Bitcoin has enough bad press Dooglus.  You of all people should know that. I hope you take this post not as a condemnation but rather a humble request that myself, as well as what I would guess most of the community would ask that you be: A Leader. And a fair one who leads by example, does not pass judgement until such judgement is due, conducts himself responsibly and considers the weight of his actions, and the weight of his words.

It's you who's legendary Dooglus. Perhaps its time to make that legendary with a capital L.

Respectfully,

CD

Bro you first tried to sell a "foolproof" gambling strategy and then you lost all of your btc after. Are you really this mad about dooglus' opinion, or are you mad because he's right and you ended up losing almost everything you had?

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December 03, 2014, 07:11:25 PM
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While you do make well-reasoned points, Dooglus has the right and justification to provide his assessment of not only your trust level, but also other members' trust level. Whether Dooglus is right or wrong, this forum relies on a trust system that is crucial given Bitcoin's anonymity and value. Dooglus can exercise his right to provide a trust rating, and given his immense contribution to the Bitcoin community, his opinions have meaning.  

In my opinion, Dooglus has enormous credibility given he probably has seen a wide range of dishonest behavior in the Bitcoin community.
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December 03, 2014, 07:20:13 PM
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Seems like you got like lucky, any method you used, martingale or not, you had to slightly change it.
I know you made such profit, but still, cashout is the best way when you can afford it to do so.

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December 03, 2014, 07:36:16 PM
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Its pretty simple. There is no +EV strategy for -EV games, as said by dooglus and mathematically proven .
You said, your method beats the system and were attempting to sell it.

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December 03, 2014, 09:29:24 PM
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Why do you type up every post like you're trying to write a god damn deposition?  Sheesh.

3.) You claim its just Martingale, simple as that, yet you have never seen the product, and are simply making assumptions based of a narrow view of my bets, wherein you gave an example of roughly 30 bets illustrating that Martingale is all I was doing.

The 30 bets he captured to illustrate his point is still indicative of the rest of your bets.  I've watched you play.  It's martingale with some random bets diced in here and there.  

I'm going to quote myself now from my response in your last thread, because the point still stands and is still relevant even to this thread.  Bold portion for emphasis.

Look man, I know you have good intentions and all but you're not going to garner any trust or BTC out of anybody on here; especially when you're wanting to charge such an exorbitant amount for a strategic plan on a game that still falls back to 90% luck & intuition.  Everybody already has their own methods that can easily allow them to 4x their deposits, so attempting to sell another one is just ludicrous.  

Regardless of how much work you've put into it, either share it freely with the community or don't share it at all.  Until then, the inflammatory and accusatory replies won't stop.  Also, do you really want to deal with the backlash of 15 people screaming at you that they want their 1 BTC back because they lost their entire bankroll, no thanks to your technique?
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December 03, 2014, 10:35:16 PM
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you deserve that neg rep coz you're claiming that your strategy beats the house? What i know is all strategies are bound to lose in the long run.
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love the drama.

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December 04, 2014, 12:44:46 AM
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Never dealt with Dooglus, but IMO he was definitely right in this situation.

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December 04, 2014, 01:09:39 AM
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I would agree with his rating, it is rather untrustworthy to attempt to sell a supposedly EV+ gambling method for a large amount of money and then refuse an escrowed bet of a much smaller amount that would back up your claims.
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December 04, 2014, 01:47:39 AM
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Everything he posted in his comments was true.

Maybe he could have made it neutral rather than negative feedback, but I think it was obvious to most people that your worksheet and strategy was not worth anything, his feedback just makes it clear to people who might have been taken in.  You should not have been so opportunistic.

Sucks, but if I were you, I'd start a new account.
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December 04, 2014, 01:54:51 AM
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The feedback is legit. He does not need to do business with you, or even speak to you in order for him to do business with you.

He clearly thinks that you were trying to scam (you were) and left you negative feedback as a result.

It is not possible to have a positive expected value gambling strategy (without cheating) as you claim in your "spreadsheet".

If you really did have such a strategy you wold not need to sell it as you could just exploit it and make money yourself.

Dooglus would be untrustworthy in my eyes if he were to remove his feedback.

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December 04, 2014, 02:04:47 AM
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well i guess an apology is not going to cut it.  Undecided
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Never dealt with Dooglus, but IMO he was definitely right in this situation.

Was it right to give negative feedback to someone he didn't really deal with, though?

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December 04, 2014, 04:19:27 AM
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Never dealt with Dooglus, but IMO he was definitely right in this situation.

Was it right to give negative feedback to someone he didn't really deal with, though?

Yes, it clearly states when leaving negative feedback "You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer."'  Doog strongly felt he was a scammer, that simple. You know what, I strongly think so too because I know the "strategy" to be bullshit.

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December 04, 2014, 04:24:23 AM
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Dooglus is one of the most trusted people in the bitcoin world and for good reason. I would suggest deleting this thread or openly apologizing.

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December 04, 2014, 04:40:56 AM
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You could have PM'd him instead of starting a new thread. He is quite rational from what i have seen in my interactions with him. A PM stating the reason why you were disappointed with his -ve trust would have helped you to clear up the issue. Making a big scene out of it without even PM' ing him leads me to believe that this is unprofessional behavior. Please sort these things out through PM instead of making a big scene out of such small things. Smiley

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