no charges for cop who killed man with choke hold

[WEB slicer]

this man lost his life for selling loose cigarettes. it is illegal for officers to use a choke hold as a method to restrain citizens

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/justice/new-york-grand-jury-chokehold/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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[spazzdla]

Pigs... they can do what ever they like whenever however then wonder why they are called pigs..

Rape, murder, torture... and nothing ever happens to them..

He should be hung.

[pedrog]

Burn New York!

This shit is out of control in that side of the pond...

[jaysabi]

Not surprised there were no charges. It seems people are rarely inclined to hold a cop accountable for excessive force, and the Thin Blue Line will bend over backwards to protect their own from being equal under the law like the citizens they "protect and serve."

[TECSHARE]

Let more riots ensue to give the police more job security. Win win for police.

[solid12345]

The man was choked for only 10 seconds, blaming the chokehold is a convenient excuse to ignore he was 300 lbs. overweight and had asthma and diabetes....If the cops had tackled him to the ground he'd still probably died.

Btw I still think the police went overboard but i've seen pro wrestlers give better chokeholds than what that cop did.

[WEB slicer]

blaming his health is a convenient excuse to ignore the fact that choke holding citizens is illegal.

the coroner ruled his death a homicide due to compression of the neck. that is the official cause of death.

[solid12345]

blaming his health is a convenient excuse to ignore the fact that choke holding citizens is illegal. end of story.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/de-blasio-opposes-anti-choke-hold-law-article-1.2009254

With a City Councilman poised to introduce legislation that would criminalize police use of a choke hold, Mayor de Blasio reiterated his belief that existing NYPD policy is sufficient.

Choke holds, or any move that restricts a person’s windpipe, have been banned under the NYPD patrol guide since 1993.

It's banned under the NYPD patrol guide but not illegal in a court of law.

But even if he did illegally choke him, there is no nexus between the chokehold and his death. His infamous cry "I can't breathe!" occurred after the chokehold was no longer applied.

If you blame "compression of the neck" which is a euphemism for a pinched nerve, for his death then that means no 300 lb. man should ever be taken to the ground because a normal, healthy man would not have perished from such a simple manuever.

[TECSHARE]

blaming his health is a convenient excuse to ignore the fact that choke holding citizens is illegal. end of story.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/de-blasio-opposes-anti-choke-hold-law-article-1.2009254

With a City Councilman poised to introduce legislation that would criminalize police use of a choke hold, Mayor de Blasio reiterated his belief that existing NYPD policy is sufficient.

Choke holds, or any move that restricts a person’s windpipe, have been banned under the NYPD patrol guide since 1993.

It's banned under the NYPD patrol guide but not illegal in a court of law.

But even if he did illegally choke him, there is no nexus between the chokehold and his death. His infamous cry "I can't breathe!" occurred after the chokehold was no longer applied.

If you blame "compression of the neck" for his death then that means no 300 lb. man should ever be taken to the ground because a normal, healthy man would not have perished from such a simple manuever.

So what you are saying is choking someone has no affect on their ability to resperate and deliver oxygen to the brain? Additionally his frail health was his own doing therefore his family has no right to justice for his death even though it still wouldn't have happened if he want choked? I will remember this for the future, maybe I will hit an old man with my car and can get off because he was already really old and probably would have died anyway.

[solid12345]

So what you are saying is choking someone has no affect on their ability to respirate and deliver oxygen to the brain?

He was choked for only 10 seconds. I guarantee most people can hold their breath for 10 seconds and not die or go into a coma...

[WEB slicer]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/de-blasio-opposes-anti-choke-hold-law-article-1.2009254

good find, another one slipped through the cracks. let's be honest though, even if it was "officially" illegal he still would have gotten away with it.

you better pray to your god that you don't ever have a group of cops on top of you cause zero fucks will be given about your cries for help.

[solid12345]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/de-blasio-opposes-anti-choke-hold-law-article-1.2009254

good find, another one slipped through the cracks. let's be honest though, even if it was "officially" illegal he still would have gotten away with it.

Because violating police protocol is a different charge from murdering a man.

If Garner decided to run from the police and had a heart attack, is it murder 1 on the police for chasing him?

[Lethn]

So what you are saying is choking someone has no affect on their ability to respirate and deliver oxygen to the brain?

He was choked for only 10 seconds. I guarantee most people can hold their breath for 10 seconds and not die or go into a coma...

If he died he wasn't choked for 10 seconds and you're also forgetting that these cops have shit for brains they won't necessarily know properly about the windpipe and jugular vein or that there are certain pressure points along the neck you can actually kill someone with so if you're actually pinning someone down with enough force yes you could kill them in 10 seconds if you're being a jackass and not watching what you're doing.

[onewiseguy]

this man lost his life for selling loose cigarettes. it is illegal for officers to use a choke hold as a method to restrain citizens

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/justice/new-york-grand-jury-chokehold/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

we all know what ever cops do is not illegal in the eyes of the law.

[WEB slicer]

here's another one for all you folks that defend cops. if she had a heart attack and died while getting punched in the face is that assault or murder?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6c3_1404544864

[solid12345]

If he died he wasn't choked for 10 seconds and you're also forgetting that these cops have shit for brains they won't necessarily know properly about the windpipe and jugular vein or that there are certain pressure points along the neck you can actually kill someone with so if you're actually pinning someone down with enough force yes you could kill them in 10 seconds if you're being a jackass and not watching what you're doing.

The video clearly shows they applied force on the neck for 10 seconds and then let go of that area.

Garner was just as much being a jackass for wildly throwing himself around and refusing arrest. Let's use this scenario, let's say a police officer tries to arrest a perp at the foot of a stairway, the perp resists, they tangle and wrestle around and fall down the stairs and the perp breaks his neck, is that the officer's fault?

Look i'm sympathetic to the police in this instance mainly because I have family who work in the medical industry. You won't believe how many idiots sue the hospital and the doctor because their 70 year-old 300 lb. grandmother goes in four a routine hip implant or something else and ends up dead on the operating table. Somehow it is the hospital's fault that their elderly overweight grandmother died, it is absurd. Unhealthy people die because they are unhealthy, not the actions of the world around them.

The same goes for this case, the police were no more "wild" with him than they could be with any other suspect but because the man was obese and probably near death as it is, it's a bit drastic to charge with murder because a normal healthy human being would have gotten up and dusted themselves off. Is it the job of the police now to evaluate a perpetrator's health before they decide to take action?

[TECSHARE]

So what you are saying is choking someone has no affect on their ability to respirate and deliver oxygen to the brain?

He was choked for only 10 seconds. I guarantee most people can hold their breath for 10 seconds and not die or go into a coma...

This shows your lack of understanding of human anatomy. A headlock usually cuts off the oxygen supply to the brain by stopping the blood flow DIRECTLY in the neck. Holding ones breath you still have all the oxygen in your lungs and in your blood flowing to the brain. Not the same thing AT ALL.

If he died he wasn't choked for 10 seconds and you're also forgetting that these cops have shit for brains they won't necessarily know properly about the windpipe and jugular vein or that there are certain pressure points along the neck you can actually kill someone with so if you're actually pinning someone down with enough force yes you could kill them in 10 seconds if you're being a jackass and not watching what you're doing.

The video clearly shows they applied force on the neck for 10 seconds and then let go of that area.

Garner was just as much being a jackass for wildly throwing himself around and refusing arrest. Let's use this scenario, let's say a police officer tries to arrest a perp at the foot of a stairway, the perp resists, they tangle and wrestle around and fall down the stairs and the perp breaks his neck, is that the officer's fault?

Look i'm sympathetic to the police in this instance mainly because I have family who work in the medical industry. You won't believe how many idiots sue the hospital and the doctor because their 70 year-old 300 lb. grandmother goes in four a routine hip implant or something else and ends up dead on the operating table. Somehow it is the hospital's fault that their elderly overweight grandmother died, it is absurd. Unhealthy people die because they are unhealthy, not the actions of the world around them.

The same goes for this case, the police were no more "wild" with him than they could be with any other suspect but because the man was obese and probably near death as it is, it's a bit drastic to charge with murder because a normal healthy human being would have gotten up and dusted themselves off. Is it the job of the police now to evaluate a perpetrator's health before they decide to take action?

The difference is police are not medical professionals. They are not there to treat health conditions. They are there to collect revenue for the state via arrests. People VOLUNTEER for medical treatment, they don't volunteer to be arrested.

[CoinCidental]

here's another one for all you folks that defend cops. if she had a heart attack and died while getting punched in the face is that assault or murder?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6c3_1404544864

It would be manslaughter because murder must have intent to kill

[solid12345]

So what you are saying is choking someone has no affect on their ability to respirate and deliver oxygen to the brain?

He was choked for only 10 seconds. I guarantee most people can hold their breath for 10 seconds and not die or go into a coma...

This shows your lack of understanding of human anatomy. A headlock usually cuts off the oxygen supply to the brain by stopping the blood flow DIRECTLY in the neck. Holding ones breath you still have all the oxygen in your lungs and in your blood flowing to the brain. Not the same thing AT ALL.

Regardless most healthy human beings can survive a lenghty period of time in a chokehold, it wouldn't be taught as a basic martial arts or police maneuver all around the world if the expected outcome was death. And the chokehold applied to Garner was very brief and from the looks of it not very tight either. I'm just contending it's not murder because a normal healthy human being would not have been killed by this.

[TECSHARE]

So what you are saying is choking someone has no affect on their ability to respirate and deliver oxygen to the brain?

He was choked for only 10 seconds. I guarantee most people can hold their breath for 10 seconds and not die or go into a coma...

This shows your lack of understanding of human anatomy. A headlock usually cuts off the oxygen supply to the brain by stopping the blood flow DIRECTLY in the neck. Holding ones breath you still have all the oxygen in your lungs and in your blood flowing to the brain. Not the same thing AT ALL.

Regardless most healthy human beings can survive a lenghty period of time in a chokehold, it wouldn't be taught as a basic martial arts or police maneuver all around the world if the expected outcome was death. And the chokehold applied to Garner was very brief and from the looks of it not very tight either. I'm just contending it's not murder because a normal healthy human being would not have been killed by this.

So now you can see with your eyes how much oxygen was going to his brain?