Is this forbidden or not ? -Trust

[redsn0w]

Hey guys,

I would like to know if this comportment is forbidden or not ?

[Magic8Ball]

I believe this is tantamount to trust buying. I had loanees who requested me to give positive trust, and not only I refused their request I warned them of the possibility as being marked as trust buyers.

Here is another case I spotted yesterday, the loaner was lending to a member on the default trust list

How much more time would you need...more interested in hard end date than getting any additional fees...

two more weeks? heck, one more even.

Not a problem.  End date of February 15, 2015 then...all other provisions remain the same--save for one more addition...Positive Trust will be left by both lender and borrower upon loan repayment and successful transaction completion.  Trust is of utmost importance.

[conteaza]

Thanks for showing our conversation

I believe this is tantamount to trust buying. I had loanees who requested me to give positive trust, and not only I refused their request I warned them of the possibility as being marked as trust buyers.

Here is another case I spotted yesterday, the loaner was lending to a member on the default trust list

How much more time would you need...more interested in hard end date than getting any additional fees...

two more weeks? heck, one more even.

Not a problem.  End date of February 15, 2015 then...all other provisions remain the same--save for one more addition...Positive Trust will be left by both lender and borrower upon loan repayment and successful transaction completion.  Trust is of utmost importance.

Jeez tantamount to trust buying? I assume you're not known with how hard BB are made.
All I asked was a small favour in return to one of my secrets

[ibminer]

I feel like I am being tricked to look at a signature advertisement  

... it's not very hard to replicate his signature, although I am sure it took a while to setup 

[redsn0w]

I believe this is tantamount to trust buying. I had loanees who requested me to give positive trust, and not only I refused their request I warned them of the possibility as being marked as trust buyers.
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So at the end is it forbidden ?

I feel like I am being tricked to look at a signature advertisement   

... it's not very hard to replicate his signature.

At the moment I would like to know another thing : is it against the forum's rules that type of comportment through PM ?

[conteaza]

At the moment I would like to know another thing : is it against the forum's rules that type of comportment through PM ?

Feel free to ask him https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35

[Magic8Ball]

Jeez tantamount to trust buying? I assume you're not known with how hard BB are made.
All I asked was a small favour in return to one of my secrets

It does not matter if it was hard or easy. You asked for trust in exchange for something. That is equivalent to trust buying.

redsn0w should be commended for bringing it to light instead of agreeing to it.

[redsn0w]

Jeez tantamount to trust buying? I assume you're not known with how hard BB are made.
All I asked was a small favour in return to one of my secrets

It does not matter if it was hard or easy. You asked for trust in exchange for something. That is equivalent to trust buying.

redsn0w should be commended for bringing it to light instead of agreeing to it.

The problem he has asked me a positive feed.  but I'm not in the defaultTrust list so at the end my "feedback" doesn't count anything and especially "it is not seen".

 However thanks for your opinion .

[BadBear]

Not forbidden no, but people tend to distrust those that engage in that sort of behavior though, and neg them for it.

[ibminer]

At the moment I would like to know another thing : is it against the forum's rules that type of comportment through PM ?

There are few things forbidden on this forum, I would venture to guess that the PM itself is not forbidden. But if you actually went through with it, I would think it would be a misuse of the trust system.

[Magic8Ball]

Jeez tantamount to trust buying? I assume you're not known with how hard BB are made.
All I asked was a small favour in return to one of my secrets

It does not matter if it was hard or easy. You asked for trust in exchange for something. That is equivalent to trust buying.

redsn0w should be commended for bringing it to light instead of agreeing to it.

The problem he has asked me a positive feed.  but I'm not in the defaultTrust list so at the end my "feedback" doesn't count anything and especially "it is not seen".

 However thanks for your opinion .

I was pointing out that you could have gotten the code for "free".

What does the wink mean?

[redsn0w]

Not forbidden no, but people tend to distrust those that engage in that sort of behavior though, and neg them for it.

Oh ok , thanks for the reply.

At the moment I would like to know another thing : is it against the forum's rules that type of comportment through PM ?

There are few things forbidden on this forum, I would venture to guess that the PM itself is not forbidden. But if you actually went through with it, I would think it would be a misuse of the trust system.

Yeah you're right.

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I was pointing out that you could have gotten the code for "free".

What does the wink mean?

At the end I don't want anymore the "bb_code"  , and the wink doesn't mean nothing ( it is only an emoticon).

[conteaza]

Jeez tantamount to trust buying? I assume you're not known with how hard BB are made.
All I asked was a small favour in return to one of my secrets

It does not matter if it was hard or easy. You asked for trust in exchange for something. That is equivalent to trust buying.

redsn0w should be commended for bringing it to light instead of agreeing to it.

The problem he has asked me a positive feed.  but I'm not in the defaultTrust list so at the end my "feedback" doesn't count anything and especially "it is not seen".

 However thanks for your opinion .

I was pointing out that you could have gotten the code for "free".

What does the wink mean?

Exactly he tends to get my work almost for "free" .

[redsn0w]

Jeez tantamount to trust buying? I assume you're not known with how hard BB are made.
All I asked was a small favour in return to one of my secrets

It does not matter if it was hard or easy. You asked for trust in exchange for something. That is equivalent to trust buying.

redsn0w should be commended for bringing it to light instead of agreeing to it.

The problem he has asked me a positive feed.  but I'm not in the defaultTrust list so at the end my "feedback" doesn't count anything and especially "it is not seen".

 However thanks for your opinion .

I was pointing out that you could have gotten the code for "free".

What does the wink mean?

Exactly he tends to get my work almost for "free" .

I would rather make a  donation to you , instead of  left you a positive feedback.

[Magic8Ball]

Exactly he tends to get my work almost for "free" .

You still do not get it. You could have asked for monetary compensation, instead you asked for trust. If everybody gives out trust and saves on money then it breaks the trust system.

It may be possible that you have been asking others too for the same.

[hilariousandco]

I believe this is tantamount to trust buying. I had loanees who requested me to give positive trust, and not only I refused their request I warned them of the possibility as being marked as trust buyers.
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So at the end is it forbidden ?

As Badbear said it's not forbidden but most people think trying to buy/encourage/ask for trust is very frowned upon, but you can take each incident on a case by case basis, but what people leave feedback for is largely up to the individual user and this type of behavior is for the community to police. I don't think this is the worst case of trust abuse so I think taking this thread as a warning (or at the most a neutral trust) would suffice and hopefully conteaza has learned where he went wrong.

I believe this is tantamount to trust buying. I had loanees who requested me to give positive trust, and not only I refused their request I warned them of the possibility as being marked as trust buyers.

I think the vast majority of people taking (and sometimes those giving) the loans do so to build up feedback.

Jeez tantamount to trust buying? I assume you're not known with how hard BB are made.
All I asked was a small favour in return to one of my secrets

It does not matter if it was hard or easy. You asked for trust in exchange for something. That is equivalent to trust buying.

redsn0w should be commended for bringing it to light instead of agreeing to it.

The problem he has asked me a positive feed.  but I'm not in the defaultTrust list so at the end my "feedback" doesn't count anything and especially "it is not seen".

Just because someone is not on DefaultTrust doesn't make their feedback discountable and it is still seen under 'untrusted' which doesn't mean 'worthless'. A person can always get put on the default trust at a later date as well which will instantaneously make their feedback 'green'. Feedback is always worth something and can help you make up your mind about a user. If people can see you have done many trades this could also help people in deciding whether to put you on the default trust list themselves.

[conteaza]

Exactly he tends to get my work almost for "free" .

You still do not get it. You could have asked for monetary compensation, instead you asked for trust. If everybody gives out trust and saves on money then it breaks the trust system.

It may be possible that you have been asking others too for the same.

If i'm not wrong positive trust is left when the deal is successful .In our case he could received the code and me positive trust and everybody could be happy instead of this "show"
And you can be sure that this was my first and last time when I'm asking for trust as a favour instead of my services .

[redsn0w]

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Just because someone is not on DefaultTrust doesn't make their feedback discountable and it is still seen under 'untrusted' which doesn't mean 'worthless'. A person can always get put on the default trust at a later date as well which will instantaneously make their feedback 'green'. Feedback is always worth something and can help you make up your mind about a user. If people can see you have done many trades this could also help people in deciding whether to put you on the default trust list themselves.

I know , but a lot of users don't think like you.

Exactly he tends to get my work almost for "free" .

You still do not get it. You could have asked for monetary compensation, instead you asked for trust. If everybody gives out trust and saves on money then it breaks the trust system.

It may be possible that you have been asking others too for the same.

If i'm not wrong positive trust is left when the deal is successful .In our case he could received the code and me positive trust and everybody could be happy instead of this "show"
And you can be sure that this was my first and last time when I'm asking for trust as a favour instead of my services .

I've told you :

I would rather make a  donation to you , instead of  left you a positive feedback.

[conteaza]

Exactly he tends to get my work almost for "free" .

You still do not get it. You could have asked for monetary compensation, instead you asked for trust. If everybody gives out trust and saves on money then it breaks the trust system.

It may be possible that you have been asking others too for the same.

If i'm not wrong positive trust is left when the deal is successful .In our case he could received the code and me positive trust and everybody could be happy instead of this "show"
And you can be sure that this was my first and last time when I'm asking for trust as a favour instead of my services .

I've told you :

I would rather make a  donation to you , instead of  left you a positive feedback.

You didn't mention this when we was chatting

[redsn0w]

Exactly he tends to get my work almost for "free" .

You still do not get it. You could have asked for monetary compensation, instead you asked for trust. If everybody gives out trust and saves on money then it breaks the trust system.

It may be possible that you have been asking others too for the same.

If i'm not wrong positive trust is left when the deal is successful .In our case he could received the code and me positive trust and everybody could be happy instead of this "show"
And you can be sure that this was my first and last time when I'm asking for trust as a favour instead of my services .

I've told you :

I would rather make a  donation to you , instead of  left you a positive feedback.

You didn't mention this when we was chatting

Because you didn't ask me a donation , but a positive feedback.