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August 16, 2012, 11:32:42 PM
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I'm always willing to test new platforms, this brings me once again say, give me back my Bitcoins

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August 16, 2012, 11:33:09 PM
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There are a bunch of sockpuppets on reddit accusing BDT of being the thief responsible for the Kronos hack.  One previously promoted Yoon Yeonghwa's launch of posadoll.  Could MNW (a known sockpuppeter) be trying to sling mud on BDT?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/yc6rf/we_demand_a_public_apology_from_uthezenpadguy/c5ua667

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Is MNW responsible for the Kronos hack, and sees the BDT hack as an opportunity to shift the blame?
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August 17, 2012, 12:17:46 AM
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My name is Alberto Armandi, i was born in Italy, 19/09/1983. I'm an internet entrepreneur who got caught in the Bitcoin phenomena about one and a half year ago.
Before Bitcoin, i have tried to launch several startups on my own, Wozad being one, a system for targeting digital ads based on your browsing history. It was doing well until Google Inc decided
to include the same type of targeting into their pervasive Adsense. The next effort was an hardware startup, Enso Limited, with which i've launched the highly controversial Zenpad. An early 5 inches
tablet powered by Android operating system. Enso managed to fail too, because of lack of funding but my failed endeavours did not leave a trail of destruction behind as i had and still have the determination to face any kind of trouble.
This is s short background, for those who missed it earlier, it can be easily found on the Official Bitcoin forum, in the Securities/BDT thread.
Now, fast forward to around April/May 2012 : I happened to get in touch with Jonathan Ryan Owens, who since the start of our relationship pictured himself as a sort of "Mr. Big" in the Bitcoin world and
shown to be able to use language fluenty, and to be able to convince anybody that he's actually skilled and a serious business man.
Since i did not have a real clue of who's who in this crazy, messed up community (do no take this as an insult, i'm referring to people who don't have exitation in runing other people lifes) i believed him,
and his claims of big success and profits and have developed trust on him and the group of people he was working with, again, i'm not trying to involve other people in this debacle, let's focus on Mr. Jonathan Ryan Owens.
We chatted extensively for a while and one day he came up with the ZipConf idea, inspired by some of my inputs and brainstorming. He started working on that and soon enough a site was online with that name.
Site's scope was allowing instant bitcoin transfers, without waiting confirmation from the network, as in classical bitcoin transactions. Business proposition seemed nice initially and Mr. JRO worked out
a lot of words to convince me and others it was so. He went ahead and held an IPO for this, as he said he needed lots of coins to make this happen. I was so convinced of the genuinity of this operation
that i have put Mr.JRO in touch with a guy i happened to know earlier, which is an important internet business man and investor. I valued highly my relationship with this guy, as he was funding my operations
and showing a lot of trust in me. I was hesitant, but finally made that mistake, i've procured about 2000 bitcoin in funds for the ZipConf endeavour, funded by this guy, which will go unnamed for privacy reasons.
Mr. JRO managed to put in place a written contract between him and this guy, the deal was that Mr.Jro would pay some interest over the 2000 bitcoin loan. I have later learned that this contract was never
signed and everything remained in the form of a legal agreement, bringing in even more liabilites for me, since i was the one to introduce the investor to JRO.
Everything seemed to be taking a great turn and I have then let Mr.JRO join the project i was working on, a custom Bitcoinica clone, coded entirely by me. It was intended to launch under the domain name btcxchange.net, which i own since July 2011, at that time Mr. JRO
said the brand name wasn't going places, and we agreed to call it Kronos.io. I went ahead, completed the coding work and deployed the site onto Mr. JRO controlled servers. The user interface i had
deployed was exactely the same i have in place at bitdaytrade, but Mr. JRO wanted a new design, so he hired someone to work out another skin, that took a couple of days. Please note that Mr.JRO managed
some very talented developers at that time, those who worked on ZipConf, but he never delegated them to have a check on Kronos.io source code, i've only later realized how much this is in contrast
with his claims of operating with high security standards and didn't link it directly to any malice backed act.
Almost At the same time, i was working on an unrelated project  Bitcoinrebate. After having shown Mr. JRO business plans and financial projections for said business, we decided to hold an IPO for it, to gather additional funds to be used on both rebate and Kronos.io.
At that time i demanded a payment for all the time and efforts i was putting in our projects and i was sent about 1000 bitcoin by Mr. JRO, claiming they were coming from a "trusted big lender".
I wasn't aware of how glbse worked at that time, nor i had realized the impact it might have had on my reputation, if things didn't go the way I expected. I have later learned that Bitcoinrebate IPO
was able to raise about 5000 bitcoin. I was never informed about this, not even a word.Mr JRO monopolized it all so i don't have a clue of where those coins (minus the 1000 i have received) ended up.
After Bitcoinrebate IPO i was instructed by JRO ( who always acted like a dictator and a boss ) to complete the work for Kronos ( implementing the new skin ) and prepare it for launch.
I have executed my duties and the site was launched. About one week later, Mr. JRO came up that he didn't need the coins initially funded by the unnamed investor and asked to return them back, to avoid
paying useless interests. Stupidly enough, i told him to just send him back in a mtgox account i was sharing with the investor, for different kind of operations, without asking him confirmation first.
I thought it was safe to do so and really didn't have a clue of what would be going to happen shortly.
I have made another mistake in this context, i have used this mtgox account for testing the Kronos.io hedging bot without asking direct confirmation from the investor, just assuming he would be ok with it
since my agreement with the investor was about generating profits from the coins he lend to me. I was managing money for this guy for a while and so i thought it was ok doing so.
The mtgox account passwords were know only to me and the investor, but Kronos.io had an automatic withdrawal feature, so the mtgox account was configured to allow bitcoin withdrawals via API.
Some days passed and apparently everything was going well, but one morning i woke up to find the mtgox account emptied and Kronos.io hacked.
I freaked out for a while then went ahead trying to track down what happened. It turned out that someone with knowledge of how the site worked internally (someone who was in possession of the source code)
had exploited it, exactely like it happened today with Bitdaytrade, but unfortunately, the mtgox account was emptied too, because of the automatic withdrawal feature.
I still have full logs of what happened then, with IP addresses and bitcoin addresses that received the loot.
Mr.JRO reaction to this was controversial, first he disappeared for days, claiming he was in a confused mental state, and dutied other people to deal with me. I was obviously trying to get in touch with him
like crazy, i couldn't get a hold of him on the phone at that time and i've tried for weeks. Then after some weeks he re-appeared online and blamed me harshly of incompentence and stupidity. Just like
it's happening now with Bitdaytrade, he deemed Kronos.io project dead, and gave me advice to work on different things and forget about Bitcoin.
Obviously i felt deeply ripped off, i had the investor who lost thousands of coins out of this big mess asking me what was my plan to recover the loss and going forward, with our relationship completely
destroyed on a trust level, and on the other hand i had Mr.JRO blaming me in a unmeaningful way about stupidity, incompetence, and such.I had determined at that time that my only choice was going forward with
the project, alone, i had high hopes that i would be able to repay the cumulated debt with profits i would be making from it. I then decided on another brand name, Bitdaytrade, asked support from some trusted
community members for holding an IPO to raise the necessary funds for its operations and went ahead modifying
the source code to allow Gold trading, finally launched a beta with this limited service, to avoid thousands of users flocking in, and keeping the risk level at a minimum while i ironed out all the kinks left.
Sometime passed, some users reported bugs and other problems, i had worked hard to fix all the issues and get the service to an acceptable level for the community. A lot of hack attempts where attempted
but the site did not suffer any major breach, and it was deemed safe by me.
I had initially implemented the blowfish/bcrypt algorithm for storing passwords safely but because of some recent technical problems i had to swith back temporarely to MD5. I had setup the site in way so that
when a user logged in, his password would be recovered and stored in MD5, you could have seen that by looking at the javascript files used in the login page.
Bitdaytrade IPO was held and necessary funds raised, for doing this i had to leverage the trust of other community Members, which Mr.JRO tried to block from putting trust in me, banking on the Kronos hack
story, and telling them all that i was obviously a thief. He didn't succeed as all of you noticed and Bitdaytrade started operating, i've first allowed BTC/USD margin trading feature privately for a week
and then opened it to the public, on Monday 13 of August.
Mr. JRO got in touch with me about a week ago, trying a last approach to block me, he demanded a "rapid prototype of a margin trading site" and in exchange he would not have made the Kronos.io hack public.
He added that i was losing out a great opportunity of working with him on a realworld exchange for virtual currencies and a sort of startup incubator
for bitcoin related projects.I have then understood where the funds from ZipConf, Rebate and Kronos.io ended up and obviously passed on this offer and went ahead with my plans.
What happened today is a reiteration of this blackmailing attempts, but with a more evil and criminal plan.
I strongly believe, and what i wrote in this explainative post gives a clear evidence of, that behind everything that was posted on reddit.com against bitdaytrade there is Mr. Jonathan Ryan Owens.
He used the previously stolen from him Kronos.io source code to orchestrate all of that you witnessed today, and managed apparently to have the community believe his story.
Not even one bitcoin was withdrawn from Bitdaytrade.com under today's attacks, and all funds are safe. Server will be kept offline for further investigation, and gathering of evidences to be presented upon
filing a criminal deposition with all the legal authorities i am/will be able to. Stay tuned for developments.
I'm deeply sorry and i publicly apologize to everyone for the mistakes i made in this mess but it will be sorted out and in a elegant way.

Best Regards
Alberto Armandi

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August 17, 2012, 02:11:56 AM
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Not even one bitcoin was withdrawn from Bitdaytrade.com under today's attacks, and all funds are safe. Server will be kept offline for further investigation, and gathering of evidences to be presented upon
filing a criminal deposition with all the legal authorities i am/will be able to. Stay tuned for developments.
I'm deeply sorry and i publicly apologize to everyone for the mistakes i made in this mess but it will be sorted out and in a elegant way.

This leaves us people testing / evaluating this new service with the hope that this incident will be handled professionally --

It would be desirable that restoring the site or shutting it down as a task should be kept separate from the resolution of this business related controversy between Jonathan Ryan Owens and Alberto Armandi.


In hindsight, what turned Bitcoinica into a real debacle was the lack of professionalism in handling the initial incidents

Thus may I please urge all participants to "hold on their breath" and act rationally
  • to the operators of the Site: please keep us informed
  • to the business partners or opponents: please don't settle your dispute in public
  • to the community: please don't start conjuring conspiracy theories.
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August 17, 2012, 04:27:37 AM
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Are you going to refund those 3,000 BTC stolen with bitscalper?

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August 17, 2012, 08:32:31 AM
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My name is Alberto Armandi, i was born in Italy, 19/09/1983. I'm an internet entrepreneur who got caught in the Bitcoin phenomena about one and a half year ago.

[...snip... blah blah blah]

1. Lear to use paragraphs when posting.
2. You didn't do your homework, and is now suffering from it.

As a general comment. If someone creates a service that's supposed to keep a lot of client funds, then security is vitally important. If the developer or team is unable to secure the site themselves, then it's better to pay someone that has the competence to do so, than to suffer a huge loss.

I don't have the time or the energy to follow this particular case closely, but I understand 4K BTC was already lost ? That amounts to 59K USD at the moment. How much would a code and security review by some professional cost ? Perhaps a few K's ?

Let this be a warning to all future bitcoin enterprises.

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August 17, 2012, 12:35:54 PM
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[...snip... blah blah blah]

1. Lear to use paragraphs when posting.
2. You didn't do your homework, and is now suffering from it.

As a general comment. ....  [blah blah blah]

I don't have the time or the energy to follow this particular case closely, but I understand 4K BTC was already lost ? ...


As a general comment
1. switch on your brain before you have "opinions"
2. stop guessing and read the information right below your nose


According to the text you couldn't effort to read, in this particular case no funds were lost, only the operation of the service was disrupted
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August 17, 2012, 03:42:27 PM
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According to the text you couldn't effort to read, in this particular case no funds were lost, only the operation of the service was disrupted

Says otherwise on reddit. But I'll leave it to the incompetent guys to figure out.
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August 17, 2012, 07:08:22 PM
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According to the text you couldn't effort to read, in this particular case no funds were lost, only the operation of the service was disrupted

Says otherwise on reddit. But I'll leave it to the incompetent guys to figure out.

The people on reddit who are claiming 4k was stolen are all sockpuppets smearing FUD.  It looks to me like the other Kronos guys who share responsibility for being hacked are trying to push all of the blame onto Alberto to make themselves look less guilty.
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August 20, 2012, 06:48:42 AM
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According to the text you couldn't effort to read, in this particular case no funds were lost, only the operation of the service was disrupted

Says otherwise on reddit. But I'll leave it to the incompetent guys to figure out.

The people on reddit who are claiming 4k was stolen are all sockpuppets smearing FUD.  It looks to me like the other Kronos guys who share responsibility for being hacked are trying to push all of the blame onto Alberto to make themselves look less guilty.

Im starting to agree with this.

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August 21, 2012, 05:38:31 AM
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According to the text you couldn't effort to read, in this particular case no funds were lost, only the operation of the service was disrupted

Says otherwise on reddit. But I'll leave it to the incompetent guys to figure out.

The people on reddit who are claiming 4k was stolen are all sockpuppets smearing FUD.  It looks to me like the other Kronos guys who share responsibility for being hacked are trying to push all of the blame onto Alberto to make themselves look less guilty.

Alberto did just come up with 4kbtc for Meni https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93445.msg1114170#msg1114170


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August 21, 2012, 06:04:30 AM
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The people on reddit who are claiming 4k was stolen are all sockpuppets smearing FUD.  It looks to me like the other Kronos guys who share responsibility for being hacked are trying to push all of the blame onto Alberto to make themselves look less guilty.

Im starting to agree with this.

The linked pastie and JRO's post confirms thousands of BTC were stolen from Kronos' mtgox account (nowhere clearly stated exactly how much). Charlie of BitInstant confirms that Alberto is jjfarren aka bitscalper, an estimated 1000 BTC scam.


Not even surprised. Expect anything from this site.

They claim to hedge trades on instaforex, but that's a lie since instaforex doesn't provide an API for their customers. Its a crude bucket shop.

Take it lightly, as said, we're in beta and some issues are still being worked out, moreover we're adding bitcoin margin trading to the offer, with realtime hedging on mtgox. As per Instaforex, they do provide an API, and it's used for gold quotes, for actual hedging we use a custom tool developed to work with our preferred trading platform.

I don't believe that bitdaytrade hedged any gold trades, maybe Alberto did some manually but certainly not automatically. I don't think he has the skill to create a "custom tool" that actually hedges gold trades (he claimed to use Instaforex, then backpedaled and claimed trades are hedged on a "preferred trading platform"). Who knows whether bitcoin trades are hedged on mtgox.

I suspect that Alberto creates crude (buggy and insecure) front-end scam-sites, which don't function as advertised. If anyone who has the bitscalper code (from here MiningBuddy, Chaang Noi (Goat), teek) will share it with me, I'd like to take a look at its arbitrage capabilities. Even though MNW said that Alberto had someone else write the bitscalper arbitrage bot (who?), to whatever extent it had one. (I'm late to the bitscalper threads, didn't follow them at the time).



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August 27, 2012, 01:05:30 PM
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Any updates on bitdaytrade.com?

Bitcoinica still has not given me 50% of my claim of 600 BTC
INTERSANGO can go down with bitcoinica for abandoning customers
Alberto Armandi is a SCAMMER
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August 27, 2012, 01:15:47 PM
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Any updates on bitdaytrade.com?

I still waiting that reimburse me my deposit made to test this nonsense(shit) platform

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August 27, 2012, 02:26:05 PM
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Any updates on bitdaytrade.com?

I still waiting that reimburse me my deposit made to test this nonsense(shit) platform


Yes, that would be nice.

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August 27, 2012, 04:39:37 PM
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"I told you so"

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they keep laughing, then they start choking on their laughter, and then they go and catch their breath. Then they start laughing even more.
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August 28, 2012, 07:23:07 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93445.msg1139370#msg1139370

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August 30, 2012, 11:41:48 PM
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Can anyone confirm they got there deposit back?

Bitcoinica still has not given me 50% of my claim of 600 BTC
INTERSANGO can go down with bitcoinica for abandoning customers
Alberto Armandi is a SCAMMER
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Please refund my bitcoins now, or at least reply to my emails...

Bitcoinica still has not given me 50% of my claim of 600 BTC
INTERSANGO can go down with bitcoinica for abandoning customers
Alberto Armandi is a SCAMMER
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