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December 11, 2014, 06:48:53 PM
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If the US economy is based in consumerism (i.e. everyone telling us to get out shopping) then are investments in the US stock market essentially an investment in oil?  If oil drops what happens to US stock market?

I ask because I've been questioning my ecosystem lately.  Do my values all line up?  If I'm of anti-consumer mindset, should I be invested in the US stock market?  As a US citizen, what does a lack of faith in my country's economy say?

The signs to go all in on bitcoin are high these days.
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December 12, 2014, 04:04:59 AM
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If the US economy is based in consumerism (i.e. everyone telling us to get out shopping) then are investments in the US stock market essentially an investment in oil?  If oil drops what happens to US stock market?

I ask because I've been questioning my ecosystem lately.  Do my values all line up?  If I'm of anti-consumer mindset, should I be invested in the US stock market?  As a US citizen, what does a lack of faith in my country's economy say?

The signs to go all in on bitcoin are high these days.

It doesn't matter if you are anti-consumer mindset; what you should be thinking about is what a majority of the others think. If you think the US economy is based on consumerism and that the stock market is going to rise because a majority share this mindset, then you should invest in the stock market.

In my opinion, the stock market is far more broad based these days. A lot of companies stand to benefit when oil goes down.
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December 12, 2014, 05:23:53 AM
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No.
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December 12, 2014, 09:41:47 PM
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Some stocks may be related to oil, but every company out there produces something different for the world, so it's not only the basics of our economy that drives the markets. If you have a moral and you want to stand by that, choose companies that contribute to our world meaningfully, there are plenty of them out there.
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December 12, 2014, 10:54:09 PM
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No.

buying stock is buying stock. Investing in oil is investing in oil. There are companies in the exploration, energy and automobile sectors that may be effected but would your 200 shares in Johnson & Johnson be effected? probably not

you really shouldn't be investing in anything, the system is set up against you. Brokerage firms, investment firms all of these are just bucket shops. the only thing you should be doing with your money is buying land or buying revenue streams.

the only thing you can do with money is spend it so wealth isn't money, wealth is your ability to make money
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December 13, 2014, 07:39:12 PM
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Oil price is going up and down in a worldmarket and also in USA market. Oil price can have some effect on end buyers ( if you use jeep with 4.5 L engine,for example ), but I think not in USA, which is developed and large market. Oil price have effect on car manufacturers, as they try to make cars with use less fuel.
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December 13, 2014, 11:22:10 PM
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Oil is not going to make everything go down or up so its separate entities. There are a lot of things related but most really arent.
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December 14, 2014, 02:09:35 AM
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If the US economy is based in consumerism (i.e. everyone telling us to get out shopping) then are investments in the US stock market essentially an investment in oil?  If oil drops what happens to US stock market?

I ask because I've been questioning my ecosystem lately.  Do my values all line up?  If I'm of anti-consumer mindset, should I be invested in the US stock market?  As a US citizen, what does a lack of faith in my country's economy say?

The signs to go all in on bitcoin are high these days.
The US economy is primarily a service based economy while an investment in oil is essentially a bet that more goods will be produced. While people do need to travel in order to "consume" services the amount of oil required to consume additional services is much less then the oil required to consume additional goods.

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December 14, 2014, 02:36:02 AM
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in the American stock market is certainly not dominated by the stocks of petroleum, there are many other products besides Minya earth in the American stock market, ranging from food products, automotive, heavy machinery and others, also dominate the American stock market, so if the price of crude oil fell, of course, not much affect the movement of the American stock market ...  Roll Eyes
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December 14, 2014, 05:22:34 AM
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I think most people here have pretty good advices and understand the general idea.

First, let me add something not discussed. You can also make money on a collapsing market. It doesn't need to go up to make money. Google "Short Stocks". Traders make money all the time on plunging stocks and markets. Every day.

Second, why wouldn't you want to invest in oil?! Some really good companies are at their 5 year lows including oil itself. Why wouldn't you buy at rock bottom prices? Because the world is coming to an end and oil will never be used ever again?

At the time of this post, I have not seen or heard of new technology that will take over the oil kingdom. Oil is not dead, it is beaten to the ground, and it may head to low 50s or 40s. That's fine. When you invest in oil, you want to get on the low cycle. Make $100k from $10k in 5 years.

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December 15, 2014, 04:38:54 PM
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Since most firms have costs linked to the price of energy/oil, low oil prices are actually good for the economy.
Low and stable oil prices will let companies concentrate on managing other variables in the operating environment.
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December 16, 2014, 12:16:39 AM
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If the US economy is based in consumerism (i.e. everyone telling us to get out shopping) then are investments in the US stock market essentially an investment in oil?  If oil drops what happens to US stock market?

I ask because I've been questioning my ecosystem lately.  Do my values all line up?  If I'm of anti-consumer mindset, should I be invested in the US stock market?  As a US citizen, what does a lack of faith in my country's economy say?

The signs to go all in on bitcoin are high these days.

There are many stocks on the stock market that are involved in the energy sector, however in the United States oil is just a commodity. Thus, if you decide to take an airplane trip, the profit should be higher for the airlines since the fuel is cheaper.  They may have to lower ticket prices to compete.  If they do that stock prices might drop 5%, but if things are 10% cheaper the investor wins.

Russians might chose to trust bitcoin over the Ruble, if we can increase users there, bitcoin will rise and become more solid of a currency.

That might be the future as more government ry to rip off their citizens,the citizens will slowly move to bitcoin building a critical mass.  From that point, bitcoin will rise in value every year.
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December 17, 2014, 06:13:04 AM
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Russians might chose to trust bitcoin over the Ruble, if we can increase users there, bitcoin will rise and become more solid of a currency.

If that happens on a large scale, the price of bitcoin will sky rocket.
The uncertainty in Cyprus was one of the reasons for the bull run in 2013. Russia being a much larger market can propel bitcoin to insane levels very quickly.
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December 17, 2014, 09:10:17 AM
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Russians might chose to trust bitcoin over the Ruble, if we can increase users there, bitcoin will rise and become more solid of a currency.

If that happens on a large scale, the price of bitcoin will sky rocket.
The uncertainty in Cyprus was one of the reasons for the bull run in 2013. Russia being a much larger market can propel bitcoin to insane levels very quickly.

However, they have to lift the ban first. Russian can make bitcoin by mining it with cheap energy.
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December 17, 2014, 11:34:34 AM
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If the US economy is based in consumerism (i.e. everyone telling us to get out shopping) then are investments in the US stock market essentially an investment in oil?  If oil drops what happens to US stock market?

I ask because I've been questioning my ecosystem lately.  Do my values all line up?  If I'm of anti-consumer mindset, should I be invested in the US stock market?  As a US citizen, what does a lack of faith in my country's economy say?

The signs to go all in on bitcoin are high these days.
The price of oils will continue to fall.
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December 18, 2014, 06:29:09 AM
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If the US economy is based in consumerism (i.e. everyone telling us to get out shopping) then are investments in the US stock market essentially an investment in oil?  If oil drops what happens to US stock market?

I ask because I've been questioning my ecosystem lately.  Do my values all line up?  If I'm of anti-consumer mindset, should I be invested in the US stock market?  As a US citizen, what does a lack of faith in my country's economy say?

The signs to go all in on bitcoin are high these days.

There are many stocks on the stock market that are involved in the energy sector, however in the United States oil is just a commodity. Thus, if you decide to take an airplane trip, the profit should be higher for the airlines since the fuel is cheaper.  They may have to lower ticket prices to compete.  If they do that stock prices might drop 5%, but if things are 10% cheaper the investor wins.

Russians might chose to trust bitcoin over the Ruble, if we can increase users there, bitcoin will rise and become more solid of a currency.

That might be the future as more government ry to rip off their citizens,the citizens will slowly move to bitcoin building a critical mass.  From that point, bitcoin will rise in value every year.
Exactly. There are many other similar examples to this. Shipping companies are in the same boat, as are car manufacturers (as consumers will probably be willing to buy more expensive cars that consume more fuel), as are retailers (as consumers will have more discretionary income as a result of lower fuel prices).....the list goes on

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December 19, 2014, 02:56:28 AM
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If the US economy is based in consumerism (i.e. everyone telling us to get out shopping) then are investments in the US stock market essentially an investment in oil?  If oil drops what happens to US stock market?

I ask because I've been questioning my ecosystem lately.  Do my values all line up?  If I'm of anti-consumer mindset, should I be invested in the US stock market?  As a US citizen, what does a lack of faith in my country's economy say?

The signs to go all in on bitcoin are high these days.

There are many stocks on the stock market that are involved in the energy sector, however in the United States oil is just a commodity. Thus, if you decide to take an airplane trip, the profit should be higher for the airlines since the fuel is cheaper.  They may have to lower ticket prices to compete.  If they do that stock prices might drop 5%, but if things are 10% cheaper the investor wins.

Russians might chose to trust bitcoin over the Ruble, if we can increase users there, bitcoin will rise and become more solid of a currency.

That might be the future as more government ry to rip off their citizens,the citizens will slowly move to bitcoin building a critical mass.  From that point, bitcoin will rise in value every year.
Exactly. There are many other similar examples to this. Shipping companies are in the same boat, as are car manufacturers (as consumers will probably be willing to buy more expensive cars that consume more fuel), as are retailers (as consumers will have more discretionary income as a result of lower fuel prices).....the list goes on

Companies which are in renewable/alternate energy sectors will be negatively impacted by the falling price of oil. Investment in solar power technologies / fuel cell technologies will decrease, as these sectors will not be able to compete with cheap crude.

From a point of energy conservation and development of sustainable sources of energy, falling crude prices are a negative. There is less incentive to be energy efficient when oil is so cheap.
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December 19, 2014, 04:02:56 AM
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If the US economy is based in consumerism (i.e. everyone telling us to get out shopping) then are investments in the US stock market essentially an investment in oil?  If oil drops what happens to US stock market?

I ask because I've been questioning my ecosystem lately.  Do my values all line up?  If I'm of anti-consumer mindset, should I be invested in the US stock market?  As a US citizen, what does a lack of faith in my country's economy say?

The signs to go all in on bitcoin are high these days.

There are many stocks on the stock market that are involved in the energy sector, however in the United States oil is just a commodity. Thus, if you decide to take an airplane trip, the profit should be higher for the airlines since the fuel is cheaper.  They may have to lower ticket prices to compete.  If they do that stock prices might drop 5%, but if things are 10% cheaper the investor wins.

Russians might chose to trust bitcoin over the Ruble, if we can increase users there, bitcoin will rise and become more solid of a currency.

That might be the future as more government ry to rip off their citizens,the citizens will slowly move to bitcoin building a critical mass.  From that point, bitcoin will rise in value every year.
Exactly. There are many other similar examples to this. Shipping companies are in the same boat, as are car manufacturers (as consumers will probably be willing to buy more expensive cars that consume more fuel), as are retailers (as consumers will have more discretionary income as a result of lower fuel prices).....the list goes on

Companies which are in renewable/alternate energy sectors will be negatively impacted by the falling price of oil. Investment in solar power technologies / fuel cell technologies will decrease, as these sectors will not be able to compete with cheap crude.

From a point of energy conservation and development of sustainable sources of energy, falling crude prices are a negative. There is less incentive to be energy efficient when oil is so cheap.
These companies rely heavily on government subsidies and are not profitable even when oil/energy prices are high. These kinds of companies really are not a very big part of the US economy and likely never will be

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