House of Chance - a Game of Thrones inspired game with no house edge!

[dooglus]

Never watched house of thrones. Assuming I never get any questions right, whats the house edge? Seems quite high.

If you get all the questions right I think the house edge is actually negative!

[alequo]

Never watched house of thrones. Assuming I never get any questions right, whats the house edge? Seems quite high.

If you get all the questions right I think the house edge is actually negative!

Yup, Doog is correct. If you have a lot of knowledge the house edge you can achieve is negative 1%. That is, you have an edge over the house, in your favor, and should win money in the long term. If you know quite a bit about the Game of Thrones but not everything, my estimation (it really depends on how much you know), is that the house edge is about 1%. If you know a moderate amount about the series (e.g., you've only watched the TV series), I think the house edge will be about 1.5% to 2%. If you know absolutely nothing about the Game of Thrones, the house edge will be quite a bit worse. For folks who know nothing about the Game of Thrones, I could potentially suggest that you shouldn't play at the House of Chance and find better odds elsewhere. However, I have a better suggestion: You should go watch the TV series and read the books. They are awesome!

May the odds be good!

[sickhouse]

How are you going to profit if you have no house edge?

[Itsumo]

Pretty boring and complicated site.

[Watoshi-Dimobuto]

I have trouble with the game.
I made 15000 bet. I got double. My balance was around 19000. So, I can make just 1 spin?
It came, I don't have enough balance


EDIT: I checked. It is not so. At least in free play. You don't have to pay for additional spin on double. So, I think I lost it because a bug?

Hi Watoshi, I'm back and am looking into your problem. The bets and payouts seem correct to me. Is there a bet in particular you think didn't payout correctly? The bets are listed here:

https://houseofchance.net/bets

The payout table is here:

https://houseofchance.net/faq#a9_1

Also, if you want to verify the correctness of the spins that you saw, you can go to the main slot machine page and open up the fairness window by pressing 'f', or by pressing on the tick icon in the betting box. Then click "randomize" on the server seed. This will allow you to verify the correctness of all past sequence of spins that you saw.

I hope that helps, but if there is still confusion please let me know, I'm happy to help. And thanks so much for playing!

Sorry, I think the mistake is on my part. I thought I got a double. ie type 2.
But when I verified I got type 0.

[dooglus]

Sorry, I think the mistake is on my part. I thought I got a double. ie type 2.
But when I verified I got type 0.

No, I think you're right.

I just bet 10k with a balance of 12k. My spin came up as a double, but when I went to respin (which should be free) it told me I didn't have enough in my balance.

Now I expect it had already decided that I had lost, but it should still let me make my 2nd and possibly 3rd spins and let me see the loss happen.

I'll stop playing, so the spin I'm talking about was the last one on the 'dooglus' account.

[Watoshi-Dimobuto]

Sorry, I think the mistake is on my part. I thought I got a double. ie type 2.
But when I verified I got type 0.

No, I think you're right.

I just bet 10k with a balance of 12k. My spin came up as a double, but when I went to respin (which should be free) it told me I didn't have enough in my balance.

Now I expect it had already decided that I had lost, but it should still let me make my 2nd and possibly 3rd spins and let me see the loss happen.

I'll stop playing, so the spin I'm talking about was the last one on the 'dooglus' account.

yes, I had exactly the same experience.

Mine is the second last one I made. account: watoshi

Edit: I made the 15k bet, it showed up type 2, ie. two same houses. The text showed something like, you need 2 more doubles to win. I tried to play again, but it showed error on lack of balance.

It has not decided you had lost the second spin. The second spin was simply not made.

Edit2: Oh sorry, I get what you mean. There is no system to check each individual spin?

[dooglus]

Edit2: Oh sorry, I get what you mean. There is no system to check each individual spin?

The game is kind of weird in how it works. You might imagine that a game like this would randomly pick the symbols, and from that calculate whether you've won or not, but it's not like that here.

Here, the provably fair system works out your result first (quads, two trips, three doubles, or a loss) and then makes up the symbols to give you that result. It's kind of backwards.

The reasoning behind it makes sense: if the symbols were random you'd almost never see four-of-a-kind, and people would get bored of playing. So the game gives you relatively many wins, but pays you relatively little for them.

Sometimes when the provably fair system determines that you're due to lose, the game will show you a single triple, or two sets of doubles, which I'm guessing is what happened to us. It decided we were going to lose, but it was going to show us a single double first, and then a bug stopped it from letting us spin again and see our loss. But maybe I'm wrong, and we should have won. I don't know - but I'm sure we'll know soon enough...

[alequo]

Sorry, I think the mistake is on my part. I thought I got a double. ie type 2.
But when I verified I got type 0.

No, I think you're right.

I just bet 10k with a balance of 12k. My spin came up as a double, but when I went to respin (which should be free) it told me I didn't have enough in my balance.

Now I expect it had already decided that I had lost, but it should still let me make my 2nd and possibly 3rd spins and let me see the loss happen.

I'll stop playing, so the spin I'm talking about was the last one on the 'dooglus' account.

Thanks Doog, will look into this asap. Will try to have an answer by tomorrow.

[Watoshi-Dimobuto]

Edit2: Oh sorry, I get what you mean. There is no system to check each individual spin?

The game is kind of weird in how it works. You might imagine that a game like this would randomly pick the symbols, and from that calculate whether you've won or not, but it's not like that here.

Here, the provably fair system works out your result first (quads, two trips, three doubles, or a loss) and then makes up the symbols to give you that result. It's kind of backwards.

The reasoning behind it makes sense: if the symbols were random you'd almost never see four-of-a-kind, and people would get bored of playing. So the game gives you relatively many wins, but pays you relatively little for them.

Sometimes when the provably fair system determines that you're due to lose, the game will show you a single triple, or two sets of doubles, which I'm guessing is what happened to us. It decided we were going to lose, but it was going to show us a single double first, and then a bug stopped it from letting us spin again and see our loss. But maybe I'm wrong, and we should have won. I don't know - but I'm sure we'll know soon enough...

yes, I noticed that.

Code:

4,4,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

Yeah, you are right.
It seems the best explanation.


Well, anyway, I am sad since I lost it.
I was hoping it was a buggy win.

[WhatsBitcoin]

Honestly just feel overwhelmed when I play this game. I'm so confused on how to win and the site doesn't explain in-game at all.

[alequo]

How are you going to profit if you have no house edge?

There is only no house edge if the player knows a lot about Game of Thrones. If the player knows a moderate amount, the house will have a slight edge over the player, which should be competitive with the edge used by most dice sites. If the player knows very little or nothing about Game of Thrones, the house will have a bigger edge. In a way you can think of it as a wealth transfer mechanism from people who don't care about game of thrones to people who are fans Although people who don't care about Game of Thrones at all probably won't be very interested in playing I'm guessing - although it would be cooler if the potential for a positive house edge inspired them to watch the TV series and/or read the books

[alequo]

Edit2: Oh sorry, I get what you mean. There is no system to check each individual spin?

The game is kind of weird in how it works. You might imagine that a game like this would randomly pick the symbols, and from that calculate whether you've won or not, but it's not like that here.

Here, the provably fair system works out your result first (quads, two trips, three doubles, or a loss) and then makes up the symbols to give you that result. It's kind of backwards.

The reasoning behind it makes sense: if the symbols were random you'd almost never see four-of-a-kind, and people would get bored of playing. So the game gives you relatively many wins, but pays you relatively little for them.

This is exactly right. It was a conscious decision to make the game work this way rather than as a standard slot machine with independent slot reels. Imagine if you only had three slot reels and you got some kind of bonus for your house appearing three times. With 9 houses, the probability of that event is (1/9)^3. I.e., it would only happen once in 729 spins. I really wanted the game to be a fun mixture of gambling and knowledge, and unless I made it so that winning patterns occurred more frequently, the trivia nature of the site would almost never show up and really not play any factor at all in the edge the player has.

But this is an open question that I would love to get the community's feedback on: is the trivia part worth having at all? Some users seem to really love it. But if the slot machine was simply themed as a Game of Thrones slot machine with no trivia would it be as fun to play? If I built another one for a TV show or book series you really cared about - e.g., Sopranos or Breaking Bad or Lord of the Rings - would you care if it had trivia mixed in with luck, or would you only care that the graphics were nicely themed?

My thinking on this was that if I had only themed it, it would basically be like every other slot game and wouldn't be very interesting or fun. I really wanted to create something new, and something that I hoped would bring people from outside of our bitcoin community into it.

Sometimes when the provably fair system determines that you're due to lose, the game will show you a single triple, or two sets of doubles, which I'm guessing is what happened to us. It decided we were going to lose, but it was going to show us a single double first, and then a bug stopped it from letting us spin again and see our loss. But maybe I'm wrong, and we should have won. I don't know - but I'm sure we'll know soon enough...

This is also correct. You both did get the win_type 0 (and you can use the verification system to show how it derived this - please let me know if any clarification of how it works is needed). The problem was that it rendered the win_type of 0 in a way that was incorrect and confusing. I need to figure out if this is a corner case which only occurs when your balance is becoming low.

I do want to emphasize that this doesn't change the odds of the game at all or make it more in favor of the house. It means that on spins where you lose, it (occasionally) seems to render it in a confusing way. Really sorry you guys both experienced this. I want to get to the bottom of it

[alequo]

Honestly just feel overwhelmed when I play this game. I'm so confused on how to win and the site doesn't explain in-game at all.

Sorry that the explanations aren't adequate, WhatsBitcoin; that's definitely my fault. The FAQ goes deeper into explaining how to win:

https://houseofchance.net/faq#a3

And while you're playing the merchant speaks to you saying things like "You spun a double, spin two more to win". I would love to get your advice on how I might be able to create clearer messaging. I would really like to make it clear so that anyone could pick it up easily; especially folks who don't yet know about bitcoin.

[uki]

the idea is very nice, but it seems the game got a bit overcomplicated to start with. Has anyone played longer to say that you need some time to learn and then things go smoothly?

[alequo]

the idea is very nice, but it seems the game got a bit overcomplicated to start with. Has anyone played longer to say that you need some time to learn and then things go smoothly?

One player played over 800 times. He seems to be a big fan of the shows, has been doing really well on the trivia questions and has contributed several questions to the collection of trivia too.

I would love to read your thoughts on what ways the game could/should be simplified. My humble and subjective opinion is that it's simpler than dice games. At least it would be easier for folks outside the bitcoin gambling community to see it and quickly pick up what it's about. And that was my main goal. I'd really like to continue improving it so folks here also enjoy it and I really appreciate your feedback on ideas you think I should work on.

Thanks to everyone who has given it a try

[alequo]

Sorry, I think the mistake is on my part. I thought I got a double. ie type 2.
But when I verified I got type 0.

No, I think you're right.

I just bet 10k with a balance of 12k. My spin came up as a double, but when I went to respin (which should be free) it told me I didn't have enough in my balance.

Now I expect it had already decided that I had lost, but it should still let me make my 2nd and possibly 3rd spins and let me see the loss happen.

I'll stop playing, so the spin I'm talking about was the last one on the 'dooglus' account.

yes, I had exactly the same experience.

Mine is the second last one I made. account: watoshi

Edit: I made the 15k bet, it showed up type 2, ie. two same houses. The text showed something like, you need 2 more doubles to win. I tried to play again, but it showed error on lack of balance.

It has not decided you had lost the second spin. The second spin was simply not made.

Edit2: Oh sorry, I get what you mean. There is no system to check each individual spin?

Hi Watoshi - one thing which would really help me if you encounter this rendering bug again is to press the f key (or click the tick icon in the betting box) to bring up the fairness window, and take a screen shot. It should show the spins it's supposed to render in there. Thanks for your help

[alequo]

Hi friends - quick notice that I will be away for the next few days and will have only intermittent access to the House of Chance admin console, so won't be able to approve trivia to pay out question bounties. If you have any great trivia you would like to submit, please do so today so you can collect your question bounty.

Happy holidays and may you have the blessings of the Seven true Gods of Westeros!

[alequo]

Hi guys, I'm back and now able to approve more Game of Thrones trivia if you would like to collect question bounties. Also a new feature has been added to the House of Chance which lets players gift money to each other in the chat window:

https://houseofchance.net/faq#a13_2

I will be using this feature to do a giveaway in the near future.

[SeymourSkinner]

Hi guys, I'm back and now able to approve more Game of Thrones trivia if you would like to collect question bounties. Also a new feature has been added to the House of Chance which lets players gift money to each other in the chat window:

https://houseofchance.net/faq#a13_2

I will be using this feature to do a giveaway in the near future.

Looks really fun!

Would love to see a 'fairgrounds' of some sort with more games. Like those medieval striped tents players can walk to and from whilst listening to renaissancefairmusic.