iOS Bread Wallet

[BLKMined]

So I got my hands on the new iPhone 6 Plus and have had it for a month now(best phone 4rm my experience by the way). I was excited of hearing of this new BTCitcoin wallet along with other features.  I used the wallet five times - the 1st time I was able to add money to my Bread wallet via my Coinbase account and then was able to send money to a friend for testing purposes.  I was even able to send money to my Bread Wallet again via Coinbase but since, been experiencing sending issues.
4instance! I try to send BTC back into my Coinbase acc. via Bread Wallet and not 0nce but twice! it came right back to my Bread Wallet.  It shows BTC being sent and it displays the process of confirmations being observed then after awhile it display's '0' confirmations and the money 0r BTC ends up being right back into the Bread Wallet.  I even tried sending to a trading platform where I plan to do most of my trades - https://www.bitfinex.com/ Anyone else going through this with the new "Apple" Bitcoin Bread Wallet and who should I contact, Apple, Bitcoin Foundation, etc...?
I need my money sent out of my Bread Wallet Asap so hopefully someone out there has the solution, Peace!
 

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[fryarminer]

You need to contact the guys who made the app - NOT Apple, and NOT the Bitcoin Foundation!

app.breadwallet.com

I haven't used bread wallet - I didn't like the fact that they don't use the normal Bitcoin symbol and lingo, but I'm guessing you can back up your wallet by doing the backup phrase. Then try deleting the wallet from your iPhone, reinstalling it, restore the wallet by using the backup phrase, and then try to spend again. Be sure to back up the wallet before deleting it, or your bitcoins will be lost forever!!

[BLKMined]

You need to contact the guys who made the app - NOT Apple, and NOT the Bitcoin Foundation!

app.breadwallet.com

I haven't used bread wallet - I didn't like the fact that they don't use the normal Bitcoin symbol and lingo, but I'm guessing you can back up your wallet by doing the backup phrase. Then try deleting the wallet from your iPhone, reinstalling it, restore the wallet by using the backup phrase, and then try to spend again. Be sure to back up the wallet before deleting it, or your bitcoins will be lost forever!!

Thx 4tha timely response fryarminer! Yes I am quite familiar with the back-up phrase so, what will be the point of backing up wallet if have back-up phrase?  If phone is lost, stolen 0r brakes - the back up phrase will obtain everything back the way it was(supposedly) on device(apple products) of choice.  How would I back it up by the way anyway if I just wanted to make sure?  You mean back up to another device 1st(smart, yes). Which by the way I don't have any other "Apple" devices as this is my very 1st one.

And I wonder why I couldn't find that link > app.breadwallet.com while surfing on the breadwallet site, hummm!  and by the way, it's a great wallet!

Thank-You!

[BLKMined]

When I said how do I back up that was just me being extremely tired as I know how to back-up digital belongings.  I had a long day, give me a break lol

[BLKMined]

See how tired I am! I thought I was given a support link so that can contact Bread Wallet makers but this is just the actual website - app.breadwallet.com I haven't yet found any contact info.  I will continue to look...

[BLKMined]

So I found out where I could receive support - https://itunes.apple.com/app/breadwallet/id885251393 - And I also came to find that someone had or is having the same issues as me as he/she wrote "The app was working great until a few days ago. Now the majority of my payments never complete. I have only made 1 successful payment out of the last 10. Maybe it is a bug from the IOS 8.0.2 update. I have a a concerning amount of BTC stuck in this wallet so hopefully it gets fixed soon. When the bug is fixed I will probably bump my rating up to 5(stars).

I will try to contact them and hopefully this problem does get resolved ASAP!

There is a new update release for iOS 8.1.2 - I will update phone then try out Bread Wallet once again and if that doesn't work, I will then try to back-up and delete/restore...

[voisine]

I am the author of breadwallet. Try the "rescan blockchain" option in settings if you are having trouble sending. The next update will detect the problem and recommend a rescan, in addition to some minor bug fixes that will make it less likely to get into that situation to begin with.

[Jace]

Hey Aaron, you're doing an awesome job with Breadwallet. It's hands down the best iOS wallet currently available, and I always recommend it to all iPhone/iPad owners.

I'm one of the organizers of Arnhem Bitcoincity and developer of our payment processor and point-of-sale solution BitKassa, so we're reaching quite some potential users. Apps like Breadwallet really help a lot in making Bitcoin more accessible for the Average Joe, and getting Bitcoin to turn mainstream!

Now, I do I have some suggestions I'd like to share:

1. Allow entering amount when receiving BTC
When receiving or requesting bitcoins, Breadwallet can only show a QR or copy/paste the address. What's missing here, is the option to specify an amount (in either euros or dollars or bit(coin)s). This allows people to show a QR that anyone can scan and pay immediately, without the hassle of mentioning or specifying the amount separately, and the other person having to enter that manually (with risk of typos, currency rate differences, etc)

2. Lower the fee
Any chance you can lower the default tx fee to 0.00001 BTC per 1000 bytes? This has actually been the default fee setting in Bitcoin Core already since v0.9. And the very commonly used Android Bitcoin Wallet by Andreas Schildbach has been using this fee setting as well for quite some time, always works fine (just very rarely, a tx might take two or three blocks to confirm, but never leads to any problems whatsoever).
The thing is, here in Europe, bank transfers are free. So when comparing Bitcoin to old fashioned banking, the 0.0001 BTC tx fee (approximately 0.03 euros) may actually seem quite expensive in comparison. Especially for microtransactions (e.g. a €1 donation) a 3% fee is relatively expensive. It would make a better case for Bitcoin usage if you apply the new default fee in Breadwallet too.

3. Better estimate for fiat/btc rates
What is your live euro↔bitcoin rate based on? In our payment processor, we use a weighted average of all major exchanges (including Bitstamp, converting USD to EUR according to their own buy rate). Still, we often notice that the amount in fiat displayed by Breadwallet appears to be higher than what seems to be a fair average rate - thus giving users the false impression they're paying more (in euros) than they're supposed to. In order not to give users an over-optimistic estimate of their wallet's current EUR value, is there any chance you can use a more balanced average of various eur/btc converion rates?

4. Dealing with crippled WiFi
In order to push transactions, do you actually connect to Bitcoin nodes directly (i.e. you need port 8333 access for most nodes) or can Breadwallet also use a web stub that works through port 80? The problem is, we quite often experience problems with public WiFi networks that have been limited, e.g. only ports for http(s) and email being accessible. Or even worse, open WiFi networks (in stores or public places) that have no password, but require a one-time login page to accept terms before allowing full internet access. When this happens, people's phones appear to have internet access, but any http request will redirect them to a login page. Now when trying to send a Bitcoin payment it won't work, thus giving the false impression that Bitcoin is having problems, rather than their WiFi / internet connection being crippled.
It would be great if you can 1. push txs through port 80 as well (through external API sites, there's plenty available) and 2. perhaps check if Breadwallet has a working connection, and if not, warn the user "Your internet connection seems to be restricted, perhaps you need to login to your WiFi network?" This may avoid a lot of unnecessary confusion.


I hope this helps in improving BreadWallet. Keep up the good stuff man. Love your work!

[dabura667]

Hey Aaron, you're doing an awesome job with Breadwallet. It's hands down the best iOS wallet currently available, and I always recommend it to all iPhone/iPad owners.

I'm one of the organizers of Arnhem Bitcoincity and developer of our payment processor and point-of-sale solution BitKassa, so we're reaching quite some potential users. Apps like Breadwallet really help a lot in making Bitcoin more accessible for the Average Joe, and getting Bitcoin to turn mainstream!

Now, I do I have some suggestions I'd like to share:

1. Allow entering amount when receiving BTC
When receiving or requesting bitcoins, Breadwallet can only show a QR or copy/paste the address. What's missing here, is the option to specify an amount (in either euros or dollars or bit(coin)s). This allows people to show a QR that anyone can scan and pay immediately, without the hassle of mentioning or specifying the amount separately, and the other person having to enter that manually (with risk of typos, currency rate differences, etc)

2. Lower the fee
Any chance you can lower the default tx fee to 0.00001 BTC per 1000 bytes? This has actually been the default fee setting in Bitcoin Core already since v0.9. And the very commonly used Android Bitcoin Wallet by Andreas Schildbach has been using this fee setting as well for quite some time, always works fine (just very rarely, a tx might take two or three blocks to confirm, but never leads to any problems whatsoever).
The thing is, here in Europe, bank transfers are free. So when comparing Bitcoin to old fashioned banking, the 0.0001 BTC tx fee (approximately 0.03 euros) may actually seem quite expensive in comparison. Especially for microtransactions (e.g. a €1 donation) a 3% fee is relatively expensive. It would make a better case for Bitcoin usage if you apply the new default fee in Breadwallet too.

3. Better estimate for fiat/btc rates
What is your live euro↔bitcoin rate based on? In our payment processor, we use a weighted average of all major exchanges (including Bitstamp, converting USD to EUR according to their own buy rate). Still, we often notice that the amount in fiat displayed by Breadwallet appears to be higher than what seems to be a fair average rate - thus giving users the false impression they're paying more (in euros) than they're supposed to. In order not to give users an over-optimistic estimate of their wallet's current EUR value, is there any chance you can use a more balanced average of various eur/btc converion rates?

4. Dealing with crippled WiFi
In order to push transactions, do you actually connect to Bitcoin nodes directly (i.e. you need port 8333 access for most nodes) or can Breadwallet also use a web stub that works through port 80? The problem is, we quite often experience problems with public WiFi networks that have been limited, e.g. only ports for http(s) and email being accessible. Or even worse, open WiFi networks (in stores or public places) that have no password, but require a one-time login page to accept terms before allowing full internet access. When this happens, people's phones appear to have internet access, but any http request will redirect them to a login page. Now when trying to send a Bitcoin payment it won't work, thus giving the false impression that Bitcoin is having problems, rather than their WiFi / internet connection being crippled.
It would be great if you can 1. push txs through port 80 as well (through external API sites, there's plenty available) and 2. perhaps check if Breadwallet has a working connection, and if not, warn the user "Your internet connection seems to be restricted, perhaps you need to login to your WiFi network?" This may avoid a lot of unnecessary confusion.


I hope this helps in improving BreadWallet. Keep up the good stuff man. Love your work!

With the exception of crippled WiFi... all those are on git right now.

[Mike Hearn]

Does iOS not detect gated wifi networks already? Android pops up a notification when it spots one of these.

If you vend requests that use the payment protocol and Breadwallet supports it, then you should be able to receive transactions via HTTP(S) directly instead of via the p2p network.

[voisine]

Sorry for not responding sooner. I need to check the forums more often.

1. Allow entering amount when receiving BTC

This one is on the todo list, should be in the next update.

2. Lower the fee

This one is done, will be in the next update. Bitcoin isn't really designed for micro-transactions though, so don't go and create a business model that relies on that long term.

3. Better estimate for fiat/btc rates

It just uses blockchain.info/ticker for now, but will use multiple exchange rate api's in future to protect against any one getting hacked or going down.

4. Dealing with crippled WiFi

It will display "not connected" if the bitcoin network isn't reachable, and iOS will display a login dialog if it detects a wi-fi web login. Running some bitcoin nodes on port 80 is a cool idea. If you know of a DNS seed that lists port 80 bitcoin nodes, I would consider including it.

[Jace]

Hey Aaron, cool to see your feedback here!

This one is done, will be in the next update. Bitcoin isn't really designed for micro-transactions though, so don't go and create a business model that relies on that long term.

How do you mean? In my experience, small transactions (e.g. sending only a few cents) with 0.00001 or even 0.000001 fees tend to get through just fine..? Even if they take a bit longer to confirm, but that doesn't matter in most cases.
Or did you mean, isn't designed for massive volumes of transactions? There are plenty ideas being considered and/or developed to deal with the blockchain size, I'm it will be resolved one way or another.
Anyway, it's great that lower fees will be available soon.

It just uses blockchain.info/ticker for now, but will use multiple exchange rate api's in future to protect against any one getting hacked or going down.

Painfully ontopic at the moment

It will display "not connected" if the bitcoin network isn't reachable, and iOS will display a login dialog if it detects a wi-fi web login. Running some bitcoin nodes on port 80 is a cool idea. If you know of a DNS seed that lists port 80 bitcoin nodes, I would consider including it.

Hmm, yeah, that might be a cool idea as well. But I actually meant something different: rather than (or in addition to) communicating with actual nodes (i.e. sending actual bitcoin traffic), simply call some of the many available online APIs to push a tx to the network, requiring nothing but a simple HTTP call with the transaction (in hex) as a GET or POST parameter.

For example, call http://btc.blockr.io/api/v1/tx/push with POST parameter: hex=0100020304etc (that's the tx data in hex) and they will push the tx onto the network.
Many other online services like easybit.com, helloblock.io, chain.com, blockchain.info, blockcyhper.com, etc offer similar functionality.

[Jake-R]

I am replacing the Bitcoin Core node I am hosting on my PC with a Bitnodes Hardware node (https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/hardware/) and I no longer want to run the core on my PC. Is breadwallet a viable option as my "only wallet"? Is it secure enough and robust enough? I am very impressed with it. I have been an iOS guy for a few years and don't plan to switch any time soon. Sorry for necro  

[voisine]

I am replacing the Bitcoin Core node I am hosting on my PC with a Bitnodes Hardware node (https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/hardware/) and I no longer want to run the core on my PC. Is breadwallet a viable option as my "only wallet"? Is it secure enough and robust enough? I am very impressed with it. I have been an iOS guy for a few years and don't plan to switch any time soon. Sorry for necro  

I'll leave it up to others to comment, and just say that breadwallet is the most popular wallet in the app store after coinbase and blockchain.info, and we've had zero reports of lost funds except when someone doesn't write down their recovery phrase *and* manages to forget their passcode. (so far only with trivial amounts) iPhone is also the most secure of the popular computing platforms with it's locked down, signed code only, app sandboxed, keychain service, full filesystem hardware encryption be default architecture, which is why we chose it as the platform to start with.

[voisine]

It just uses blockchain.info/ticker for now, but will use multiple exchange rate api's in future to protect against any one getting hacked or going down.

Painfully ontopic at the moment

The current version is now using bitpay.com/rates which includes over a hundred different currencies. (apparently some of the latin american currencies even use the street "blue dollar" rate over the official rate)

[Jake-R]

I am replacing the Bitcoin Core node I am hosting on my PC with a Bitnodes Hardware node (https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/hardware/) and I no longer want to run the core on my PC. Is breadwallet a viable option as my "only wallet"? Is it secure enough and robust enough? I am very impressed with it. I have been an iOS guy for a few years and don't plan to switch any time soon. Sorry for necro  

I'll leave it up to others to comment, and just say that breadwallet is the most popular wallet in the app store after coinbase and blockchain.info, and we've had zero reports of lost funds except when someone doesn't write down their recovery phrase *and* manages to forget their passcode. (so far only with trivial amounts) iPhone is also the most secure of the popular computing platforms with it's locked down, signed code only, app sandboxed, keychain service, full filesystem hardware encryption be default architecture, which is why we chose it as the platform to start with.

Thank you. I know I can't "sign messages" with breadwallet and I could with the Core. But I think I will be ok. I have my passphrase written down and stored inside my fireproof safe at home and I have a copy stored inside my safe deposit box at my bank (with my other important papers). This is a really sweet app. Thank you!

[wannesd]

The only thing that bothers me about breadwallet, is that I can't select to see the value in BTC, rather than bits.
Unless I've missed the option somewhere?
It actually bothers me so much that I keep going back to my old blockchain app instead, and that's the only reason.

[jim618]

Hi Aaron,

Great work on Breadwallet !
We like it so much we have put it as our 'recommended for iOS' wallet:
https://beta.multibit.org/download.html

(that will be the new MultiBit website when it goes live).


I just wanted to point out that lowering fees to 1,000 satoshi / KB can cause problems to users.
When the network is busy (Like on Friday nights now) you can get bumped for several blocks as you are the least beautiful tx for the miners to pick up.

For MultiBit HD we give users the range to select from 1,000 to 10,000 satoshi / KB with a default of 3000.
That seems to get into the next block pretty reliably (at the moment).

Jim

[voisine]

The only thing that bothers me about breadwallet, is that I can't select to see the value in BTC, rather than bits.
Unless I've missed the option somewhere?
It actually bothers me so much that I keep going back to my old blockchain app instead, and that's the only reason.

We know this is annoying for long time bitcoiners, no body likes change, but we think it's important for the community to switch together to the new standard. Our goal is to increase bitcoin adoption among the 99.99% of people who haven't adopted it yet, and they're much more comfortable with two decimal place denominations. If the existing bitcoiners don't switch, they'll confuse newcomers and hurt adoption. Bits will also work forever even after bitcoin replaces every currency on the planet.

[voisine]

(that will be the new MultiBit website when it goes live).


I just wanted to point out that lowering fees to 1,000 satoshi / KB can cause problems to users.

Thanks much, we appreciate it!

The current version more than doubles those fees, and the next update will be pulling fee rates from an api (with a range restriction in the event the api is compromised)