Elizabeth Warren and Nancy Pelosi are right

[Wilikon]

The end times are upon us. I find myself in agreement with not just Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), but House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA).

It’s not just me. Right Wing News’ John Hawkins — not exactly a cheerleader for bipartisan consensus — is publicly standing with Warren, Pelosi, and their liberal allies in the House and Senate. As have conservative Senators Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz (R-TX), Townhall.com’s Amy Otto, and Tea Party Patriots, among many others.

And I’m not only opposed to the omnibus bill that squeaked through the House and may fail in the Senate. I’m flat-out agreeing with the principles upon which Pelosi and Warren are making their stand — specifically, their opposition to what Hawkins called “the GOP’s sop to the banks on derivatives along with their sleazy attempt to change campaign finance rules to benefit incumbents.”

It’s infuriating. In its first significant legislative effort since winning the Senate in a landslide last month, the Beltway’s GOP leadership has chosen to secure a special campaign-finance reform loophole for the election arms of both parties. Furthermore, it worked with the Democratic establishment to put taxpayers on the hook for risky investments by bankers.

And we haven’t even gotten to the fact that the bill offers only a few small improvements to the federal budget while still spending far too much. Likewise, the few mediocre — at best — pro-life efforts are offset by Republican support for slightly expanding the federal funding of abortion and continued funding for population control efforts.

This latest debacle is just more evidence that the wool is always going to be pulled over the heads of conservatives. Enough is enough, especially since the media has clearly decided that shutdowns are cool when Democrats do them.

On Friday, Noah warned the GOP leadership that “to dismiss this ire from conservatives as a mere fit of pique among conservatives…would be a foolish approach to this development.”

He’s right. Our country is in serious trouble, and none of the allegedly “reasonable” voices in Washington are doing much about it. As such, I’m proud to add my (small) voice to the growing cascade of conservatives and liberals that have decided it’s time to take the power back from both parties.


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Most people should realized by now both parties have little difference when it comes to corruption.

[Spendulus]

The end times are upon us. I find myself in agreement with not just Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), but House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA).

It’s not just me. Right Wing News’ John Hawkins — not exactly a cheerleader for bipartisan consensus — is publicly standing with Warren, Pelosi, and their liberal allies in the House and Senate. As have conservative Senators Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz (R-TX), Townhall.com’s Amy Otto, and Tea Party Patriots....

<<whispering into wristphone "We've got one here who can SEE!">>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI8AMRbqY6w

[CoinCube]

The end times are upon us. I find myself in agreement with not just Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), but House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA).

Yep the Blue team has it right this time. Cronmibus is a a massive taxpayer funded handout to the big banks we can only guess how many trillions dollars this windfall will net citibank and company.

Liberals (when they are not bought and paid for) can be counted on to oppose redistribution from middle class taxpayers to the banking elite. When the Blue team come to power, however, they are even more destructive as they tax the productive economy to death blindly redistributing in the other direction.

Both the Red and Blue team stand for the same thing, redistributing wealth from those that produce to those that do not. The only conflict between them is which parasitic aspect of society gets the spoils.








 


 

[CoinCube]

[bf4btc]

Both the Red and Blue team stand for the same thing, redistributing wealth from those that produce to those that do not. The only conflict between them is which parasitic aspect of society gets the spoils.

the GOP generally favor lower taxes which prevents income/assets from being redistributed. They tend to favor the free market as opposed to forcing people/businesses to act a certain way

[CoinCube]

Both the Red and Blue team stand for the same thing, redistributing wealth from those that produce to those that do not. The only conflict between them is which parasitic aspect of society gets the spoils.

the GOP generally favor lower taxes which prevents income/assets from being redistributed. They tend to favor the free market as opposed to forcing people/businesses to act a certain way

Historically that may have been true. Today's GOP works to transfer massive debt obligations to the state and taxpayer via corporate bailouts and accelerate the insolvency of the state. They also wholeheartedly support a fractional reserve financial system that gradually and progressively impoverishes the middle class. These policies lead directly to ever higher taxes when the Blue team takes their turn in the cycle of governance.

Cromnibus should open the eyes of anyone who believes there is a substantial difference between the Red and Blue team. The taxpayers just got put on the hook for trillions of dollars of future bank derivative losses. This law passed without much fuss through a republican house and a democratic senate.  Both teams are the same.

 


 

[jaysabi]

The end times are upon us. I find myself in agreement with not just Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), but House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA).

It’s not just me. Right Wing News’ John Hawkins — not exactly a cheerleader for bipartisan consensus — is publicly standing with Warren, Pelosi, and their liberal allies in the House and Senate. As have conservative Senators Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz (R-TX), Townhall.com’s Amy Otto, and Tea Party Patriots, among many others.

And I’m not only opposed to the omnibus bill that squeaked through the House and may fail in the Senate. I’m flat-out agreeing with the principles upon which Pelosi and Warren are making their stand — specifically, their opposition to what Hawkins called “the GOP’s sop to the banks on derivatives along with their sleazy attempt to change campaign finance rules to benefit incumbents.”

It’s infuriating. In its first significant legislative effort since winning the Senate in a landslide last month, the Beltway’s GOP leadership has chosen to secure a special campaign-finance reform loophole for the election arms of both parties. Furthermore, it worked with the Democratic establishment to put taxpayers on the hook for risky investments by bankers.

And we haven’t even gotten to the fact that the bill offers only a few small improvements to the federal budget while still spending far too much. Likewise, the few mediocre — at best — pro-life efforts are offset by Republican support for slightly expanding the federal funding of abortion and continued funding for population control efforts.

This latest debacle is just more evidence that the wool is always going to be pulled over the heads of conservatives. Enough is enough, especially since the media has clearly decided that shutdowns are cool when Democrats do them.

On Friday, Noah warned the GOP leadership that “to dismiss this ire from conservatives as a mere fit of pique among conservatives…would be a foolish approach to this development.”

He’s right. Our country is in serious trouble, and none of the allegedly “reasonable” voices in Washington are doing much about it. As such, I’m proud to add my (small) voice to the growing cascade of conservatives and liberals that have decided it’s time to take the power back from both parties.


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While I find the idea of siding with Nancy Pelosi personally abhorrent, I will side with Senator Warren and ignore the troll who is an apologist for the NSA. I don't like a lot of Warren's more socialist-leaning ideas about taxing the rich just because they're rich, but I wholly respect her crusade to shine light on the crony-capitalism in DC that is crippling this country politically and economically.

The two-party system is the death of democracy. There is no choice here, but a large apparatus geared towards making it appear so. The more choices voters have, the less power the parties have, so naturally the  democrats and republicans have ensured that third parties can't get on the ballot or get into debates. With a stranglehold on power, each party bestows favors and riches to their lobbying groups. It doesn't matter which party you belong to, each party has insiders who reap the rewards for rigging the system in their favor. The two-party system has to end.

[jaysabi]

Both the Red and Blue team stand for the same thing, redistributing wealth from those that produce to those that do not. The only conflict between them is which parasitic aspect of society gets the spoils.

the GOP generally favor lower taxes which prevents income/assets from being redistributed. They tend to favor the free market as opposed to forcing people/businesses to act a certain way

This is the lie they need you to believe. Take a look around. Republicans block democratic tax cuts when it target the not-rich or when it's politically expedient. And there's nothing free market about the way the US economy runs. Whether it's health insurance, telecom, financial, medical, pharmaceutical etc. All the major industries are not free-market, and they're rigged to ensure the politically-connected are winners. The most abusive and easily identifiable instances of crony capitalism are in the defense industry. War is profitable.

[RodeoX]

OMG Wilikon, If the tea party and the green party ever figure out they are fighting the same corrupt guys on wall St., It's the end of the the two party system.
Those who benefit from us fighting each other want us to believe that we are at odds. That liberals want to steal your money via taxes and conservatives want to tax you to death so a few wealthy people can pay no taxes. Neither of these is true of course, but if we start talking about tax reform that favors normal people it could lead to a government by and for the people. Wouldn't that be a sight. 

[contagion]

RodeoX and jaysabi, I can not fathom how you can write so astutely in this thread, and yet have favored Obama's pleas to regulate net neutrality. How can you write the above and not understand the regulators are always captured by the regulated as matter of mathematical certainty as well as historical evidence?

The only way we will protect net neutrality is obscure the content with anonymity and so consumers can vote with their feet without fear of retribution from the State.

Only the free market works in the end, and anonymity is absolutely crucial to making it work. We don't have a free market, so you can't claim it doesn't work. We don't have it, because the technology hasn't been implemented to free up the market.

Always technological solutions (paradigm shifts) are the only real solutions. Politics is always a morass and entire waste of time.

[Wilikon]

RodeoX and jaysabi, I can not fathom how you can write so astutely in this thread, and yet have favored Obama's pleas to regulate net neutrality. How can you write the above and not understand the regulators are always captured by the regulated as matter of mathematical certainty as well as historical evidence?

The only way we will protect net neutrality is obscure the content with anonymity and so consumers can vote with their feet without fear of retribution from the State.

Only the free market works in the end, and anonymity is absolutely crucial to making it work. We don't have a free market, so you can't claim it doesn't work. We don't have it, because the technology hasn't been implemented to free up the market.

Always technological solutions (paradigm shifts) are the only real solutions. Politics is always a morass and entire waste of time.

Yep!

[RodeoX]

RodeoX and jaysabi, I can not fathom how you can write so astutely in this thread, and yet have favored Obama's pleas to regulate net neutrality. ...

I'm not sure what I said that leads you to believe that I do not support net neutrality. I think it is central to the future of the internet and I am dead against messing with the open and neutral nature of the internet. Obama recently fought regulation of the internet. Super large ISPs and cable companies are trying to fundamentally change the internet. They want to set up a "non-neutral" system that allows ISPs to block any content they want or change the bandwidth you pull when viewing a competitors content.

You would not recognize this internet unless you live in China or North Korea. When you do an image search for "Tienanmen square" , you will see endless pictures of that guy who stood in front of the tank. If you searched in China you would find that image is unknown and would not show up. Why because there is no net neutrality in China. That is what the future will be like for us without neutrality. You will only see what your ISP has decided you should see. If they don't want you using bitcoin, then they will have the power to stop you.

I say we made the internet and it's content, not the ISPs. We should be able to view what we want. 

[Wilikon]

RodeoX and jaysabi, I can not fathom how you can write so astutely in this thread, and yet have favored Obama's pleas to regulate net neutrality. ...

I'm not sure what I said that leads you to believe that I do not support net neutrality. I think it is central to the future of the internet and I am dead against messing with the open and neutral nature of the internet. Obama recently fought regulation of the internet. Super large ISPs and cable companies are trying to fundamentally change the internet. They want to set up a "non-neutral" system that allows ISPs to block any content they want or change the bandwidth you pull when viewing a competitors content.

You would not recognize this internet unless you live in China or North Korea. When you do an image search for "Tienanmen square" , you will see endless pictures of that guy who stood in front of the tank. If you searched in China you would find that image is unknown and would not show up. Why because there is no net neutrality in China. That is what the future will be like for us without neutrality. You will only see what your ISP has decided you should see. If they don't want you using bitcoin, then they will have the power to stop you.

I say we made the internet and it's content, not the ISPs. We should be able to view what we want.  

We all want a free internet. Maybe if that Etherium project sees the light of day (no idea how far they are into) it will be impossible to censure anything in the future.

But the chinese example is not quite a perfect analogy. Far from it. It may be that what 0bama is pushing for, by making ISPs becoming utilities like ConED and others, perversely ends up with a totalitarian chinese syndrome. The dude stopping the tanks is 'no more', not because there is a lack of net neutrality but because of totalitarian government with close to 1 million of civil servants paid to B.O.L.O. for any illegal  activities...

We do not need regulations in 2015 that were concocted in a 1920's era. We can do better than this than giving up more to a bigger and bigger government.

"But Wilikon! What about Verizon and AT&T now!" I can hear you say.

Well that is why a true organic market will find a way to reinvent itself..

AT&T (American Telephone & Telegraph) founded in 1885....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X84muuaySVQ

I like the old school operator's look way better... But that's just me  

Can you imaging living in a world were the internet had been regulated, like the ATTTT&F (American Telephone, Telegraph, Telex, Teletype, & Fax) be?

[contagion]

RodeoX, you expect the wolf to protect the henhouse. Lol.

Obama was promising to regulate the wolves, but you don't understand that the wolves and the government are ALWAYS in bed together.

You can never win with the government. You only win with technological solutions that empower the free market and the individuals. Because only bottom up systems optimize.

[steelhouse]

Elizabeth Warren is a croney too she supports Ben Bernanke, Janet Yellen, and the federal reserve.  She supports doctoring interest rates so low banks can't make any money.  She supports student loan forgiveness and even claims student loans are profitable.  She would support stimulus checks as did Pelousi.  They both care less about the budget or deficits.  They like signing bills without even reading them.  No spending is too much for these economic terrorists.  Yes they are probably right about 

The derivatives rider, first offered by Kansas Republican Representative Kevin Yoder, was agreed on by a bipartisan team negotiating the omnibus spending package.

The important lesson there is, Wall — it’s a light on how Wall Street gets its way in Washington. It doesn’t have a bill that comes out with Democrats — Republicans and Democrats in the House and Senate have to raise their hand in the light of day to vote for Wall Street. They put them in these big bills, so that nobody has to vote for them, and they can get their special provisions. And the public’s deceived and there’s no accountability.

When you have a system that is corrupt then this is what happens, end the system of big bills.

[RodeoX]

RodeoX, you expect the wolf to protect the henhouse. Lol.
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So you trust big business more than the government? Look around. The companies are the wolves. I would not trust them with an inch. Hell, they would have slaves operating the internet if not for the government. I'll take my chances with an entity I can depose if need be.

[Wilikon]

RodeoX, you expect the wolf to protect the henhouse. Lol.
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So you trust big business more than the government? Look around. The companies are the wolves. I would not trust them with an inch. Hell, they would have slaves operating the internet if not for the government. I'll take my chances with an entity I can depose if need be.

"Too big to fail..." said the government.


 

[u9y42]

So you trust big business more than the government? Look around. The companies are the wolves. I would not trust them with an inch. Hell, they would have slaves operating the internet if not for the government. I'll take my chances with an entity I can depose if need be.

"Too big to fail..." said the government.

How about getting money out of politics? It seems to me that would be a step in the right direction: http://www.wolf-pac.com, or http://www.rootstrikers.org, for example, are working towards that goal. Of course, that wouldn't solve all the problems, but rather create enough of an opening that would give the population a chance to have a greater influence in the whole process.

[exoton]

So you trust big business more than the government? Look around. The companies are the wolves. I would not trust them with an inch. Hell, they would have slaves operating the internet if not for the government. I'll take my chances with an entity I can depose if need be.

"Too big to fail..." said the government.

How about getting money out of politics? It seems to me that would be a step in the right direction: http://www.wolf-pac.com, or http://www.rootstrikers.org, for example, are working towards that goal. Of course, that wouldn't solve all the problems, but rather create enough of an opening that would give the population a chance to have a greater influence in the whole process.

Money being in politics is not a problem. Having money in politics allows people to make a statement that they agree or disagree with something that is more powerful then just their words. Money allows you to make a statement that can be heard by others (by allowing for tv/radio/print advertisements