[REQ] Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian section in the "Other Languages" forum.

[Parazyd]

Yes. The languages are very, very similar. Name it simply "Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian", I dunno.

Language sections are named "[local name for language] ([English name for language])". Is Hrvatski the correct name for the language(s) in all three languages? If not, what are the three words for the languages in the three languages? Or is there some other single word that means "Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian"?

Croatian/Bosnian/Serbian would translate to Hrvatski/Bosanski/Srpski
Same translation for each language.

[Lauda]

Yes. The languages are very, very similar. Name it simply "Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian", I dunno.

Language sections are named "[local name for language] ([English name for language])". Is Hrvatski the correct name for the language(s) in all three languages? If not, what are the three words for the languages in the three languages? Or is there some other single word that means "Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian"?

Croatian/Bosnian/Serbian would translate to Hrvatski/Bosanski/Srpski
Same translation for each language.

EXYU would be right for all the countries from Yugoslavia which speak similar languages. I've seen a few forums which have that section instead of specific for each of those countries. Maybe that could work?

[Parazyd]

Yes. The languages are very, very similar. Name it simply "Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian", I dunno.

Language sections are named "[local name for language] ([English name for language])". Is Hrvatski the correct name for the language(s) in all three languages? If not, what are the three words for the languages in the three languages? Or is there some other single word that means "Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian"?

Croatian/Bosnian/Serbian would translate to Hrvatski/Bosanski/Srpski
Same translation for each language.

EXYU would be right for all the countries from Yugoslavia which speak similar languages. I've seen a few forums which have that section instead of specific for each of those countries. Maybe that could work?

Slovenian and Macedonian language differs from ours unfortunately.

[iluvbitcoins]

Yes. The languages are very, very similar. Name it simply "Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian", I dunno.

Language sections are named "[local name for language] ([English name for language])". Is Hrvatski the correct name for the language(s) in all three languages? If not, what are the three words for the languages in the three languages? Or is there some other single word that means "Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian"?

Croatian/Bosnian/Serbian would translate to Hrvatski/Bosanski/Srpski
Same translation for each language.

EXYU would be right for all the countries from Yugoslavia which speak similar languages. I've seen a few forums which have that section instead of specific for each of those countries. Maybe that could work?

please do not, I'm tired of everyone putting us in the same basket, this only makes it worse

I can handle Croatian/Bosnian but EXYU or Croatian/Bosnian/Serbian no, there will be people writing in cyrillic and neither Croats or Bosniaks understand that lettering

besides, in Bosnia, Croats are one of the 3 nations so I don't see a problem why Bosniaks wouldn't read a thread in the official language of their country (Croatian,Bosnian,Serbian)

Also Croatian and Bosnian are 90% the same (differences in months like they use english words aka. Februar for February while we use Veljača), but Serbian language differs in almost all words in pronunciation and spelling besides the words for months etc. (all simmiliar words are different, for example we say mlijeko, they say mleko), we can understand them but I find it tiring to keep reading that language
not to mention different words like we say we say mrkva, they say šargarepa, we say željezo, they say gvožđe..

I don't mind having the same thread with Bosniaks, since I can't even notice a difference if I'm speaking to someone from Bosnia or Croatia

[samaricanin]

Call them serbo-croatian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Croatian

[Parazyd]

Yes. The languages are very, very similar. Name it simply "Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian", I dunno.

Language sections are named "[local name for language] ([English name for language])". Is Hrvatski the correct name for the language(s) in all three languages? If not, what are the three words for the languages in the three languages? Or is there some other single word that means "Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian"?

Croatian/Bosnian/Serbian would translate to Hrvatski/Bosanski/Srpski
Same translation for each language.

EXYU would be right for all the countries from Yugoslavia which speak similar languages. I've seen a few forums which have that section instead of specific for each of those countries. Maybe that could work?

please do not, I'm tired of everyone putting us in the same basket, this only makes it worse

I can handle Croatian/Bosnian but EXYU or Croatian/Bosnian/Serbian no, there will be people writing in cyrillic and neither Croats or Bosniaks understand that lettering

besides, in Bosnia, Croats are one of the 3 nations so I don't see a problem why Bosniaks wouldn't read a thread in the official language of their country (Croatian,Bosnian,Serbian)

Also Croatian and Bosnian are 90% the same (differences in months like they use english words aka. Februar for February while we use Veljača), but Serbian language differs in almost all words in pronunciation and spelling besides the words for months etc. (all simmiliar words are different, for example we say mlijeko, they say mleko), we can understand them but I find it tiring to keep reading that language
not to mention different words like we say we say mrkva, they say šargarepa, we say željezo, they say gvožđe..

I don't mind having the same thread with Bosniaks, since I can't even notice a difference if I'm speaking to someone from Bosnia or Croatia

They don't write Cyrillic in their current thread. And I can't see the reason why you wouldn't understand what they're saying (I'm talking about Serbs).

[Daniel91]

It seems that we don't have agreement about this at the moment, so either start poll about the name of our subforum or don't change anything (Croatian or hrvatski is fine for me).
Also, I would like to suggest Parazyd as the moderator in Croatian subforum.
Others can add their opinions or we can also start pool about this suggestions, if necessary.

[iluvbitcoins]

Call them serbo-croatian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Croatian

I don't know why that still exists on wikipedia

but the EU only reckognized Croatian as the official language

They don't write Cyrillic in their current thread. And I can't see the reason why you wouldn't understand what they're saying (I'm talking about Serbs).

I see, I'm saying I can understand their latin lettering
but I find it tiring to keep reading it

if they want to, they can read the material from our thread

but as I see, India has their own board

altough their official language is English, which they also speak in the board

I don't see why our threads/boards would join together

[Daniel91]

Call them serbo-croatian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Croatian

I don't know why that still exists on wikipedia

but the EU only reckognized Croatian as the official language

Wikipedia anybody can edit.
I will never use Wikipedia as official source of info.

[Parazyd]

Let's not go into politics, please

[iluvbitcoins]

its would be nice if there was a section like balkan language for those 3 or 4 countries!!

this is also wrong

how would we understand each other with the Greeks,Bulgarians and Albanians?

Geographically, half of Croatia isn't even a part of the Balkans

[Lauda]

please do not, I'm tired of everyone putting us in the same basket, this only makes it worse

I can handle Croatian/Bosnian but EXYU or Croatian/Bosnian/Serbian no, there will be people writing in cyrillic and neither Croats or Bosniaks understand that lettering

besides, in Bosnia, Croats are one of the 3 nations so I don't see a problem why Bosniaks wouldn't read a thread in the official language of their country (Croatian,Bosnian,Serbian)

Also Croatian and Bosnian are 90% the same (differences in months like they use english words aka. Februar for February while we use Veljača), but Serbian language differs in almost all words in pronunciation and spelling besides the words for months etc. (all simmiliar words are different, for example we say mlijeko, they say mleko), we can understand them but I find it tiring to keep reading that language
not to mention different words like we say we say mrkva, they say šargarepa, we say željezo, they say gvožđe..

I don't mind having the same thread with Bosniaks, since I can't even notice a difference if I'm speaking to someone from Bosnia or Croatia

You're wrong and obviously have less forum experience than I do. If someone from Croatia doesn't understand this "Februar" then fuck this world.
For any words that differ, Google is your solution. You can find anything.
Also it's easy, just state that Cyrillic is not allowed, problem solved. I've never ever seen someone type Cyrillic in an EXYU 'subforum'.

[Parazyd]

LaudaM: Even Serbs on this forum type latin

[iluvbitcoins]

You're wrong and obviously have less forum experience than I do. If someone from Croatia doesn't understand this "Februar" then fuck this world.
For any words that differ, Google is your solution. You can find anything.

where did I state we don't understand it?

you misinterpreted

I said, I can handle Bosnian since the only difference is in naming the months

however, with Serbian there are too many differences, I find it too annoying to keep reading the language

some plain stuff is okay, but as soon as it gets more complicated all words are different and you have to google everything

India has it's own board, it's not subjected to the English

why would we be?

[samaricanin]

Call them serbo-croatian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Croatian

I don't know why that still exists on wikipedia

but the EU only reckognized Croatian as the official language

Wikipedia anybody can edit.
I will never use Wikipedia as official source of info.

You may call BCS but is same.Source is university

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Serbo-Croatian_language.html

http://slaviccenters.duke.edu/webliogra/bosnian-croatian-serbian

[Lauda]

You're wrong and obviously have less forum experience than I do. If someone from Croatia doesn't understand this "Februar" then fuck this world.
For any words that differ, Google is your solution. You can find anything.

where did I state we don't understand it?
you misinterpreted
I said, I can handle Bosnian since the only difference is in naming the months
however, with Serbian there are too many differences, I find it too annoying to keep reading the language
some plain stuff is okay, but as soon as it gets more complicated all words are different and you have to google everything
India has it's own board, it's not subjected to the English
why would we be?

AFAIK in Bosnian and Croatian clubs there are often if not mostly Serbian songs. The people don't seem to have an issue with understanding each other/others language. I still don't understand your issue here. American and British English have words that are somewhat different too?

LaudaM: Even Serbs on this forum type latin

Exactly my point.

[iluvbitcoins]

AFAIK in Bosnian and Croatian clubs there are often if not mostly Serbian songs. The people don't seem to have an issue with understanding each other/others language. I still don't understand your issue here. American and British English have words that are somewhat different too?

that's not even close!

American English and British English are like Croatian and Bosnian

exactly the same language!

Croatian and Serbian have less then 5% the same words, the thing it's based as "the same" is because the words are simmilar
mleko --> mlijeko etc.

but people from Slovakia speak a simmilar language too, why not let them in the thread too?  
they at least have the same months as we do among the simmilar words

If we weren't in the same country for 70 years

we would understand shit between each other, Serbian would be like Czech to us today

I mean, just look at this words

http://hr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Razlikovni_rječnik_hrvatskog_jezika_i_srpskog_jezika

the only reason we know their meaning is 70 years of forced Serbo-Croatian

I find it extremly degrading if our sub-section would be called "Serbo-Croatian"

Our languages are different, it's time to stop trying to put us together

Why don't we have the same sub-section with people from Slovakia?

I can understand them fine too  
In fact, their most common last name is Horvat

You may call BCS but is same.Source is university

https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Serbo-Croatian_language.html

http://slaviccenters.duke.edu/webliogra/bosnian-croatian-serbian

seriously?



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you just re-posted wikipedia content

and the other is a slavic center..

[Lauda]

AFAIK in Bosnian and Croatian clubs there are often if not mostly Serbian songs. The people don't seem to have an issue with understanding each other/others language. I still don't understand your issue here. American and British English have words that are somewhat different too?

that's not even close!

American English and British English are like Croatian and Bosnian
exactly the same language!
Croatian and Serbian have less then 5% the same words, the thing it's based as "the same" is because the words are simmilar
mleko --> mlijeko etc.

but people from Slovakia speak a simmilar language too, why not let them in the thread too?  
they at least have the same months as we do among the simmilar words

Actually you're very wrong. That percentage is made up.
prof. dr Volf Ošlis (was an important man in Germany, not sure about now) stated a few years back that the breakdown on Croatian and Serbian is idiotic. There are just variations of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavian_language thus the same language, he stated. You can find this information easily.
But this is pointless, since you won't admit to being wrong no matter what.

I give up/last post.
~Lauda.

[iluvbitcoins]

Seriously?

Yugoslavian language?

These are variations of the same language?



I can better understand a Slovak then an Albanian

All of these languages originate of one language, that is true
But that language is the old-slavic, proto-slavic, that's why on my trip I could communicate with people in Prague and in Bratislava on Croatian when they didn't understand English
If different, please tell me why are our languages simmilar, how do we communicate with these slavic nations that are not "South"?

Yugo means "South", guess they make names for new countries according to the compass

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Slavic (since Wikipedia is a credible source..)

Serbian language was first mentioned in the 14th century

Croatian language is first mentioned in 1275. (over 20 times)

Serbo-Croatian was first mentioned in 1836.

Please tell me which language is made up

Admiting wrong? You're talking about that after posting "do not cite" material claiming it as proof?

http://ec.europa.eu/languages/policy/language-policy/official_languages_hr.htm

Why isn't Serbo-Croatian an official language?

Consitution of Republic of Croatia, Chapter 12

U Republici Hrvatskoj u službenoj je uporabi hrvatski jezik i latinično pismo.

Translation: Official language and lettering in Republic of Croatia is Croatian language and latin lettering.

Constitution of Republic of Serbia, Chapter 10

In Republic of Serbia, official language and lettering is Serbian language and cyrillic.

Now, the most interesting

Bosnia&Herzegovina has 3 constitutional nations (Croats,Serbs and Bosniaks)

As you claim they all speak Serbo-Croatian

well, your wikipedia sad

Serbo-Croatian Listeni/ˌsɜrboʊ kroʊˈeɪʃən/, also called Serbo-Croat /ˌsɜrboʊ kroʊˈæt/, Serbo-Croat-Bosnian (SCB),[7] or Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian (BCS), is a South Slavic language and the primary language of Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Montenegro.

However, in the country where all these nations live, the official language isn't Serbo-Croatian  
How, if that's

the primary language of Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Montenegro.

Constitution of Federation of Bosnia&Herzegovina, Chapter 6

Službeni jezici Federacije su bosanski jezik i hrvatski jezik. Službeno pismo je latinica.

Translation: Official languages of the Federation are the Bosnian language and the Croatian language. Official lettering is latin.

Consitution of Republika Srpska (entity of Bosnia&Herzegovina), Chapter 7

Official languages of Republika Srpska are: the language of the Serbian nation, the language of the Bosniak nation and the language of the Croatian nation. Official lettering is cyrillic and latin.

Interestingly, in Montenegro, in official use there are Serbian,Croatian and Bosnian, however, still, the official language isn't Serbo-Croatian

Montenegrin constitution, Chapter 13

The Official language in Montenegro is the Montenegrin language.
In official use there are also: Serbian, Bosnian, Albanian and Croatian language.

Why isn't Serbo-Croatian an official language in any of the countries it's allegedly spoke in? Why isn't Serbo-Croatian an official language of the EU, since Croatia entered the union and we allegedly speak it?

[Daniel91]

It seems that on this issue we can not achieve complete consensus.
If so, let's start poll and check out what others want, and decide based on the results.
Otherwise, we will have here endless discussion here without any final decision.
Second poll we can start about moderator for our subforum.