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December 16, 2014, 08:21:35 PM
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being a sparkie and all i might as well give some advice for you mate.  Wink

first of all what type and size of cable you got running into your garage? is it grey twin&earth throught your house or an swa that is routed underground? also tell me how many metres it is? you are obviously dont want to be having a cable getting too hot. take a picture of your incomer head and size of your main fuse too if possible.
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December 16, 2014, 08:22:35 PM
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To me it looks like he's got 100A for the whole house, 40A breaker for the garage and 80A for the rest of the house.  Wouldn't that allow up to 40A (9,200Watts) in the garage (if at full load, that would leave 60A for the rest of the house) or 80A for the rest of the house (leaving 20A for the garage).  If it goes over 100A for both then shouldn't the main 100A breaker flip?  So he should be able to use up to 40A in the garage, as long as his rest of the house load isn't over 60A?  If it goes over, shouldn't the main 100A breaker flip and then no the house wouldn't theoretically burn down?  (whooper, that's a question mark there just in case you're not sure I'm asking a question).

Yes. That's basically correct. He's limited by the 100 A service (fuse, not circuit breaker).
His "in house" consumption is limited by the 80A rating of the RCD. However, if he is drawing substantial power in the garage, then it will be limited by the total load on the 100A main switch and fuse.

So, if he exceeds 100A, he will blow out the sealed service fuse, and then have to call the power company to come out, unseal it and replace the fuse and reseal.

The big problem he has in his house is the electric shower. As this has a 50 A dedicated circuit, this suggests that it is a 10.8 kW shower (45A operating load). That is a big load, and once you add lighting loads, kitchen loads, etc. a 40A mining load is starting to look infeasible.

One option is to upgrade the supply from a 230V (23 kW) supply to a 230/400V (70 kW) supply. If he asks his electricity supplier they will quote on the price of an upgrade (usually it's around £2000-£3000), and it'll be another £500-800 for an electrician to replace the fusebox with a 400 V one + another £few hundred for additional circuit installation. In reality, this probably isn't an economically viable option.

I agree. I would have considered the upgrade as a longer term investment in mining equipment, but the noise alone of having all those miner humming away may upset the neighbours. With the 4TH currently running (Avalon4 and S3's) it is already noticeable.

I think my basic understanding still holds. I am limited by the 100A across the whole house. The fuse rating are essentially peak values, and not what you can throw at the all simultaneously.

BTW there is another RCD on the right hand side of the panel rated at 63Amps (with another 50amp shower supply) - not that we use both showers at the same time, due to water pressure issues.

It's probably safer to invest the £2k in more miners and a dedicated remote hosting solution.
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December 16, 2014, 08:40:04 PM
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being a sparkie and all i might as well give some advice for you mate.  Wink

first of all what type and size of cable you got running into your garage? is it grey twin&earth throught your house or an swa that is routed underground? also tell me how many metres it is? you are obviously dont want to be having a cable getting too hot. take a picture of your incomer head and size of your main fuse too if possible.
grey 6mm T&E from Consumer Unit to Garage, about 25m run
sockets are running 2.5mm cable on a Ring

main is 40amp. Sockets running off 32 and lights off 6

https://i.imgur.com/01sBRwM.jpg
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December 17, 2014, 12:00:16 AM
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you can basically have 32a mining in the garage running constantly on 2.5mm ring. but your 6mm 25 metre run can only handle no more than 34a. plus you have a bit of voltage drop. if your antminers leak current over 30ma then your rcd might trip but most probably it wont. you could have another 16mm cable running there supplying two 32a breakers for 2.5mm rings or 4mm radial circuits. though then you need to see your incomer cable size as you might reach overcurrent limit while having a shower on or a kettle etc. if i were you i would just leave it the way it is. just make sure your antminers dont take more than 30-32a.

1400w psu is given with some headroom, though you also have to add inefficiencies.
typical voltage in uk is 240-245v.
1400w/245v=5.71a.
32a/5.71a=5.6

so you can only have 5 of them hashing there im afraid - 5 more if you bring 6mm 32a cable into garage. or 6 more if make it 10mm 40a (you'll need 4mm ring for that). anything more you risk to overload your incomer. though i need picture of it as some big houses sometimes have two or three phase supply coming in but only one is used. also constant current demand might attract the piggies through infrared 'copters as they'll see that your shed is always hot thinking you grow some score.

hope that helps.
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December 17, 2014, 12:50:46 AM
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That diagram seems to show both a neutral and a ground. Both exist in the UK? Don't they use a delta configuration for most of EU to save copper? Are both supplied by the sub-station?

Yes. Neutral and ground are separate.
No. Delta is not used at low voltage. The final service voltage is 230/400V wye.  In Uk, most residential is single phase 100A @ 230V. Large residences and small commercial premises will usually have 3 phase 100A @ 230/400V.

Whether both neutral and ground are supplied by the sub-station depends on the type of service and cabling.
TN-S (separate earth supplied by substation), TN-C-S (combined neutral/earth supplied by substation, with redundant earthing in transit and separated at point of service drop) and TT (no earth connection provided by substation, customer provides earth rod at service entrance) are all common.


Thanks for quality answer! The diagram had 3 phases and residential appliances and thus I naively wondered if those epic 100 amps in the UK were supplied by 3 phases to every home.

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December 17, 2014, 07:09:22 PM
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you can basically have 32a mining in the garage running constantly on 2.5mm ring. but your 6mm 25 metre run can only handle no more than 34a. plus you have a bit of voltage drop. if your antminers leak current over 30ma then your rcd might trip but most probably it wont. you could have another 16mm cable running there supplying two 32a breakers for 2.5mm rings or 4mm radial circuits. though then you need to see your incomer cable size as you might reach overcurrent limit while having a shower on or a kettle etc. if i were you i would just leave it the way it is. just make sure your antminers dont take more than 30-32a.

1400w psu is given with some headroom, though you also have to add inefficiencies.
typical voltage in uk is 240-245v.
1400w/245v=5.71a.
32a/5.71a=5.6

so you can only have 5 of them hashing there im afraid - 5 more if you bring 6mm 32a cable into garage. or 6 more if make it 10mm 40a (you'll need 4mm ring for that). anything more you risk to overload your incomer. though i need picture of it as some big houses sometimes have two or three phase supply coming in but only one is used. also constant current demand might attract the piggies through infrared 'copters as they'll see that your shed is always hot thinking you grow some score.

hope that helps.

Smiley Yes. I'm already waiting for it to snow this winter.
Thanks to all for the advice. I'll ponder over christmas before stumping up 5 S4's worth of cash. Especially with the falling BTC price at the mo.

Rob
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