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June 25, 2012, 06:42:44 AM
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It would be a lot easier to cut back on pointless, redundant threads if there was a canned response for them. Something in this style, but adapted for Bitcoin criticisms:

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Your post advocates a

( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
( ) Users of email will not put up with it
( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
( ) Open relays in foreign countries
( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
( ) Asshats
( ) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of spam
( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
( ) Outlook

and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Sending email should be free
( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
( ) I don't want the government reading my email
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!
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June 25, 2012, 01:31:24 PM
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Perhaps something like this (for giggles):

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Your post advocates a

( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

approach to stopping Bitcoin. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which vary from country to country due to their own legal systems:

( ) Scammers can easily use it to bilk unsuspecting consumers/merchants
( ) Merchants and other legitimate businesses would be adversely affected
( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against the combined Bitcoin community co-operating to undermine it
( ) It will stop Bitcoin for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with something broken
( ) Users of other payment services will not put up with it
( ) Google/Apple/Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) It requires too much cooperation from miners and/or Bitcoin user base
( ) It requires immediate total cooperation from everyone outside of Bitcoin at once
( ) Many people cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) Criminals will use anything that is convenient/presents an opportunity
( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

( ) Laws expressly prohibiting this kind of meddling
( ) Lack of a centrally controlling authority for Bitcoin
( ) Open Bitcoin nodes in foreign countries
( ) Difficulty of searching enormous alphanumeric address space of all Bitcoin addresses
( ) Difficulty of beating the 51% mining power threshold
( ) Asshats
( ) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept other people's problems as their own
( ) Huge existing software investment in web infrastructure
( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than Bitcoin to attack
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
( ) Armies of offline, strongly protected Linux boxes
( ) Ad-hoc mesh networks not dependent on telecommunications companies
( ) Off-grid power generation (solar, wind, biomass etc)
( ) Offline or out-of-band Bitcoin transactions (physical coins, private key exchange)
( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering or censorship approaches
( ) Extreme efficiency of Bitcoin in comparison to other payment systems
( ) Chargebacks
( ) Inflation or quantitative easing
( ) Difficulty and cost of storing physical assets securely
( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
( ) Extreme intelligence, charm and good looks of the people who do business with Bitcoin
( ) Honesty on the part of the majority of the Bitcoin community
( ) M of N signatures in Bitcoin (escrow, web of trust etc)
( ) General script capability of Bitcoin
( ) Increasing the number of decimal places beyond the current value
( ) Self-adjusting difficulty value of the Bitcoin block solution
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
( ) TOR
( ) Strong peer-reviewed cryptography
( ) Mathematics
( ) Economics
( ) Physics

and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) Not everyone will opt-in
( ) Bitcoin protocol considerations should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to conduct business without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Fees should be reasonable and transparent
( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Fixed Bitcoin addresses are cumbersome
( ) I don't want the government running my currency
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Have you considered an alternative career?


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June 26, 2012, 05:42:38 PM
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Please continrue this checklist Smiley i really like the IDea

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June 26, 2012, 08:04:57 PM
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Thanks for sharing this. I like this idea too!

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June 26, 2012, 11:08:03 PM
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I was thinking along the lines of, "You think Bitcoin is fundamentally flawed because: ____. This argument betrays a misunderstanding one or more of the following known economic principles:______ Your ideas have been tried in one or more of the following alternative cryptocurrencies:______"
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June 27, 2012, 12:32:32 AM
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Your post advocates a

( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

approach to fighting collectively managing Bitcoin. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

( ) Hackers can easily use it to harvest Bitcoins
( ) Bitcoin Wallets and other legitimate uses for Bitcoin would be affected
( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against the 51% attack
( ) It will slow down difficulty increase for only two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
( ) Users of Bitcoin will not put up with it
( ) BFL will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from the Bitcoin Network
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
( ) Many Bitcoin users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential exchange partners
( ) Hackers don't care about your feelings
( ) Anyone could anonymously purchase black market goods with Bitcoins

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for Bitcoins, like the U.S. Dollar
( ) Open trusted nodes to foreign governments
( ) Ease of searching the public transaction addresses removes your privacy
( ) Asshats
( ) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of forking the Bitcoin to solve your problem
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) Huge existing software investment in GPU
( ) People are going to ASIC, get over it!
( ) Willingness of users to install any beta wallet client no matter who made it off even if its open source
( ) Armies of malware riddled rent-less, free power GPU mining boxes
( ) Eternal ASCI arms race involved in all mining approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of deflation
( ) Extreme profitability of inflation
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with Bitcoin users and businesses
( ) Dishonesty on the part of Bitcoin users themselves
( ) Electricity costs that affect mining equipment profitability
( ) Linux

and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on central issuing authority is unacceptable
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to talk about anything without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Sending Bitcoins should be free
( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time Bitcoin addresses are cumbersome
( ) I don't want the government knowing all my financial tranactions
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

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June 27, 2012, 12:37:18 AM
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OooOo, I can use this in the context of botnet owners:

Your post advocates a

( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based (X) vigilante

approach to fighting collectively managing Bitcoin. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

( ) Hackers can easily use it to harvest Bitcoins
( ) Bitcoin Wallets and other legitimate uses for Bitcoin would be affected
( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against the 51% attack
( ) It will slow down difficulty increase for only two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
( ) Users of Bitcoin will not put up with it
( ) BFL will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from the Bitcoin Network
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
( ) Many Bitcoin users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential exchange partners
(X) Hackers don't care about your feelings
( ) Anyone could anonymously purchase black market goods with Bitcoins

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for Bitcoins, like the U.S. Dollar
( ) Open trusted nodes to foreign governments
( ) Ease of searching the public transaction addresses removes your privacy
(X) Asshats
( ) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of forking the Bitcoin to solve your problem
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) Huge existing software investment in GPU
( ) People are going to ASIC, get over it!
( ) Willingness of users to install any beta wallet client no matter who made it off even if its open source
( ) Armies of malware riddled broadband-connected GPU mining boxes
( ) Eternal ASCI arms race involved in all mining approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of deflation
( ) Extreme profitability of inflation
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with Bitcoin users and businesses
( ) Dishonesty on the part of Bitcoin users themselves
( ) Electricity costs that affect mining equipment profitability
( ) Linux

and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on central issuing authority is unacceptable
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to talk about anything without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Sending Bitcoins should be free
( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time Bitcoin addresses are cumbersome
( ) I don't want the government knowing all my financial tranactions
(X) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
(X) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

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January 14, 2014, 06:49:50 PM
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somehow i missed this.

my head is swimming after reading thru this list.
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January 14, 2014, 07:21:23 PM
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Your post advocates a

( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

approach to fighting collectively managing Bitcoin. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

( ) Hackers can easily use it to harvest Bitcoins
( ) Bitcoin Wallets and other legitimate uses for Bitcoin would be affected
( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against the 51% attack
( ) It will slow down difficulty increase for only two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
( ) Users of Bitcoin will not put up with it
( ) BFL will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from the Bitcoin Network
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
( ) Many Bitcoin users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential exchange partners
( ) Hackers don't care about your feelings
( ) Anyone could anonymously purchase black market goods with Bitcoins

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

( ) Laws expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for Bitcoins, like the U.S. Dollar
( ) Open trusted nodes to foreign governments
( ) Ease of searching the public transaction addresses removes your privacy
( ) Asshats
( ) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of forking the Bitcoin to solve your problem
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) Huge existing software investment in GPU
( ) People are going to ASIC, get over it!
( ) Willingness of users to install any beta wallet client no matter who made it off even if its open source
( ) Armies of malware riddled rent-less, free power GPU mining boxes
( ) Eternal ASCI arms race involved in all mining approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of deflation
( ) Extreme profitability of inflation
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with Bitcoin users and businesses
( ) Dishonesty on the part of Bitcoin users themselves
( ) Electricity costs that affect mining equipment profitability
( ) Linux

and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on central issuing authority is unacceptable
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to talk about anything without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Sending Bitcoins should be free
( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time Bitcoin addresses are cumbersome
( ) I don't want the government knowing all my financial tranactions
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!
This is a pretty good checklist, although not necessarily applicable to the "this is why Bitcoin is fundamentally flawed" concern troll posts.
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