Spondoolies Spam

[dogie]

I did point this out in the thread before it started, that all should be posted in one place. There is already the ST thread, an unofficial SP20 thread and my SP20 thread. That's fine, its 2 1/2 for one product. But adding another 10.... no other product or company would be allowed to do that. And unfortunately ck has been put in a compromised position by receiving one (outside the competition). If he moves or consolidates them then he will seem ungrateful, if he doesn't he will seem biased.

Lets take for example the Antminer S3. There have likely been 6 figures of S3s sold into the world, yet they only have 2 1/2 threads [S3 tech, mine and for a bit Sushi's]. If Bitmain threw out 10 to the community to make 10 threads, they'd be immediately locked / moved / banned because its spam / pay to spam. Unless of course the SP20 is being used to set an admin precedence.... and which point now every other company is free to spam review threads. 10 'review' threads for each of Bitmain's products, that's no different right?

Ps this thread should head over to meta once its got a bit more of a soak here.

[Guy Corem]

Smart move by Spondoolies, but what a bunch of bullshit spam.

Money talks!

Well played fight "spam" with a useless spam post! 

Adding some spam of my own 

How come I see ads for SP20 miners when I visit my favorite porn sites? Don't you guys know I already own a bunch of them?

Care to share which porn sites ?

[Dexter770221]

Desperate times needs desperate moves.....
So if they will want to make pre orders for SPXX, DON'T DO IT...

[Guy Corem]

...
So if they will want to make pre orders for SPXX, DON'T DO IT...

Your comment can be understood in several way:
- Don't do pre-orders?
- Don't buy pre-orders?
- Don't do reveiew party on future products (which can't be pre-orders)?
- All of the above?
- Some of the above?

[OgNasty]

There is only one way to fight this sort of spam... Other manufacturers need to also give away free mining equipment to Legendary members for reviews. That's the only way it will be fair. 

[SaltySpitoon]

Moved this into Meta, but I wont touch the issue any further since I'm involved and bias could be unfair.

The first free SP20 has been sold.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=897986.0


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896134

To be fair, I'm planning to upgrade to a SP31/35 (as per the thread wtt request) so not being a total jerk/ingrate in selling/trading it.

[dogie]

So to continue this debate now we're in meta.... does anyone have an objection to Bitmain having 50 review threads (10 for each active product)? That's the same as ST did.

[/sarcasm]. I hope the answer is everyone, which highlights the need for a revised revision policy to prevent multi-spam of this nature.

[Guy Corem]

There is only one way to fight this sort of spam... Other manufacturers need to also give away free mining equipment to Legendary members for reviews. That's the only way it will be fair.  

What a nasty suggestion  

[Guy Corem]

So to continue this debate now we're in meta.... does anyone have an objection to Bitmain having 50 review threads (10 for each active product)? That's the same as ST did.

[/sarcasm]. I hope the answer is everyone, which highlights the need for a revised revision policy to prevent multi-spam of this nature.

I would love to see 10 different reviews of future BMT products.
We gave the products with no string attached, except doing fair review.
So Hardware was flooded for 3-4 days. It's not such a big deal.
It's much easier to track the conversation and review progress per thread, not in one big thread.

I believe that a better solution will be to create manufacturer sub folders under Hardware.

[raskul]

I did point this out in the thread before it started, that all should be posted in one place. There is already the ST thread, an unofficial SP20 thread and my SP20 thread. That's fine, its 2 1/2 for one product. But adding another 10.... no other product or company would be allowed to do that. And unfortunately ck has been put in a compromised position by receiving one (outside the competition). If he moves or consolidates them then he will seem ungrateful, if he doesn't he will seem biased.

Lets take for example the Antminer S3. There have likely been 6 figures of S3s sold into the world, yet they only have 2 1/2 threads [S3 tech, mine and for a bit Sushi's]. If Bitmain threw out 10 to the community to make 10 threads, they'd be immediately locked / moved / banned because its spam / pay to spam. Unless of course the SP20 is being used to set an admin precedence.... and which point now every other company is free to spam review threads. 10 'review' threads for each of Bitmain's products, that's no different right?

Ps this thread should head over to meta once its got a bit more of a soak here.

I, in turn, made a proposal in Meta that each manufacturer should have their own child boards.. so - if the SP-Tech reviews are getting such attention to be always at the top of the boards they are in, it's not Spondoolies fault, is it? it's clearly a fault of the forum structure.

note: i made this proposal before any of those reviews went up. I think Dogie is just a little too precious about his own review threads (which should be within manufacturer child boards in the first place)

[Beastlymac]

I did point this out in the thread before it started, that all should be posted in one place. There is already the ST thread, an unofficial SP20 thread and my SP20 thread. That's fine, its 2 1/2 for one product. But adding another 10.... no other product or company would be allowed to do that. And unfortunately ck has been put in a compromised position by receiving one (outside the competition). If he moves or consolidates them then he will seem ungrateful, if he doesn't he will seem biased.

Lets take for example the Antminer S3. There have likely been 6 figures of S3s sold into the world, yet they only have 2 1/2 threads [S3 tech, mine and for a bit Sushi's]. If Bitmain threw out 10 to the community to make 10 threads, they'd be immediately locked / moved / banned because its spam / pay to spam. Unless of course the SP20 is being used to set an admin precedence.... and which point now every other company is free to spam review threads. 10 'review' threads for each of Bitmain's products, that's no different right?

Ps this thread should head over to meta once its got a bit more of a soak here.

I, in turn, made a proposal in Meta that each manufacturer should have their own child boards.. so - if the SP-Tech reviews are getting such attention to be always at the top of the boards they are in, it's not Spondoolies fault, is it? it's clearly a fault of the forum structure.

note: i made this proposal before any of those reviews went up. I think Dogie is just a little too precious about his own review threads (which should be within manufacturer child boards in the first place)

It is Spondoolies fault it was in my view their primary goal when hosting the giveaway/competition. By giving away a unit to 10 different people that are seen as valued and knowledgable in this community they have got them advertising the miners and with 10 reviews they knew that when they asked everyone reviewer to post in the main sub forum of the biggest resource for bitcoin mining and information that they would clog up the front page. With the front page clogged any new person who comes and looks at miners will instantly see the Sp20 being praised by high rank people on the forum that are part of an "elite" group (hence the requirement for Legendary users only) and this will increase sales for the Sp20. Spondoolies giving away 10 miners to secure the backing of 10 high ranked members and more then likely securing 100's of Sp20 and future model sales is a smart tactic.

So don't be mistaken this is what spondoolies want as it is an ideal form of advertising for them and i think they have pulled it off well.

[raskul]

I thought your issue here was that Spondoolies-Tech have a pile of great reviews which are active threads, but you have debunked that myth by stating that you are just annoyed that a company who produce a product are using valuable marketing methods to have their product recognised.

you clearly know nothing about marketing and your readiness to state the obvious is indeed astounding, if not a tad immaturely astounding.
dogie has several review threads, and IMHO - they should all be within manufacturer child boards. I'm not butt-hurt about the fact that dogie seems to get a free unit from every manufacturer and i'm not complaining about his review threads.

you sound like an angry child.

I did point this out in the thread before it started, that all should be posted in one place. There is already the ST thread, an unofficial SP20 thread and my SP20 thread. That's fine, its 2 1/2 for one product. But adding another 10.... no other product or company would be allowed to do that. And unfortunately ck has been put in a compromised position by receiving one (outside the competition). If he moves or consolidates them then he will seem ungrateful, if he doesn't he will seem biased.

Lets take for example the Antminer S3. There have likely been 6 figures of S3s sold into the world, yet they only have 2 1/2 threads [S3 tech, mine and for a bit Sushi's]. If Bitmain threw out 10 to the community to make 10 threads, they'd be immediately locked / moved / banned because its spam / pay to spam. Unless of course the SP20 is being used to set an admin precedence.... and which point now every other company is free to spam review threads. 10 'review' threads for each of Bitmain's products, that's no different right?

Ps this thread should head over to meta once its got a bit more of a soak here.

I, in turn, made a proposal in Meta that each manufacturer should have their own child boards.. so - if the SP-Tech reviews are getting such attention to be always at the top of the boards they are in, it's not Spondoolies fault, is it? it's clearly a fault of the forum structure.

note: i made this proposal before any of those reviews went up. I think Dogie is just a little too precious about his own review threads (which should be within manufacturer child boards in the first place)

It is Spondoolies fault it was in my view their primary goal when hosting the giveaway/competition. By giving away a unit to 10 different people that are seen as valued and knowledgable in this community they have got them advertising the miners and with 10 reviews they knew that when they asked everyone reviewer to post in the main sub forum of the biggest resource for bitcoin mining and information that they would clog up the front page. With the front page clogged any new person who comes and looks at miners will instantly see the Sp20 being praised by high rank people on the forum that are part of an "elite" group (hence the requirement for Legendary users only) and this will increase sales for the Sp20. Spondoolies giving away 10 miners to secure the backing of 10 high ranked members and more then likely securing 100's of Sp20 and future model sales is a smart tactic.

So don't be mistaken this is what spondoolies want as it is an ideal form of advertising for them and i think they have pulled it off well.

"clogged up"
 

none of this forum is clogged up. Please point me to a forum board which takes too long to load, or fails in any way.

 

[Beastlymac]

I thought your issue here was that Spondoolies-Tech have a pile of great reviews which are active threads, but you have debunked that myth by stating that you are just annoyed that a company who produce a product are using valuable marketing methods to have their product recognised.

you clearly know nothing about marketing and your readiness to state the obvious is indeed astounding, if not a tad immaturely astounding.
dogie has several review threads, and IMHO - they should all be within manufacturer child boards. I'm not butt-hurt about the fact that dogie seems to get a free unit from every manufacturer and i'm not complaining about his review threads.

you sound like an angry child.

I did point this out in the thread before it started, that all should be posted in one place. There is already the ST thread, an unofficial SP20 thread and my SP20 thread. That's fine, its 2 1/2 for one product. But adding another 10.... no other product or company would be allowed to do that. And unfortunately ck has been put in a compromised position by receiving one (outside the competition). If he moves or consolidates them then he will seem ungrateful, if he doesn't he will seem biased.

Lets take for example the Antminer S3. There have likely been 6 figures of S3s sold into the world, yet they only have 2 1/2 threads [S3 tech, mine and for a bit Sushi's]. If Bitmain threw out 10 to the community to make 10 threads, they'd be immediately locked / moved / banned because its spam / pay to spam. Unless of course the SP20 is being used to set an admin precedence.... and which point now every other company is free to spam review threads. 10 'review' threads for each of Bitmain's products, that's no different right?

Ps this thread should head over to meta once its got a bit more of a soak here.

I, in turn, made a proposal in Meta that each manufacturer should have their own child boards.. so - if the SP-Tech reviews are getting such attention to be always at the top of the boards they are in, it's not Spondoolies fault, is it? it's clearly a fault of the forum structure.

note: i made this proposal before any of those reviews went up. I think Dogie is just a little too precious about his own review threads (which should be within manufacturer child boards in the first place)

It is Spondoolies fault it was in my view their primary goal when hosting the giveaway/competition. By giving away a unit to 10 different people that are seen as valued and knowledgable in this community they have got them advertising the miners and with 10 reviews they knew that when they asked everyone reviewer to post in the main sub forum of the biggest resource for bitcoin mining and information that they would clog up the front page. With the front page clogged any new person who comes and looks at miners will instantly see the Sp20 being praised by high rank people on the forum that are part of an "elite" group (hence the requirement for Legendary users only) and this will increase sales for the Sp20. Spondoolies giving away 10 miners to secure the backing of 10 high ranked members and more then likely securing 100's of Sp20 and future model sales is a smart tactic.

So don't be mistaken this is what spondoolies want as it is an ideal form of advertising for them and i think they have pulled it off well.

"clogged up"
 

none of this forum is clogged up. Please point me to a forum board which takes too long to load, or fails in any way.

 

I think you miss understand my view point here. I think that what they have done is smart and i have no qualms with spondoolies having communicated and worked with them previously i think that they are a great company that they have great products. I was just pointing out one of the meanings behind the review.

In regards to you not saying i understand marketing or sales techniques i would say that is mildly preposterous if you do some research.

"Clogged up" is the figure of speech that i used in reference to the first page of the hardware board again i didn't say this was negative i said that it was smart marketing.

I am not "annoyed" about anything i am talking about the smart way they have marketed the SP20.

I would also like to point out my response in the previous post was only in reference to the marketing tactic of spondoolies and you saying "it's not Spondoolies fault, is it?" to point out that they would have had an understanding of the effect it would have on the section.

[SaltySpitoon]

The problem with company specific boards, is Asic producers are being created and disappearing every other day. Half of the companies that promise to produce Asics just kind of don't. Not only would it be a big time waster for Theymos to constantly be adding specific manufacturer boards, but this discussion will inevitably end with someone suggesting that there is a Asic producer vetting procedure, which would be unfair to startup companies (the ones that aren't scammers) and that would give some sort of Forum based bias towards those that are "vetted" then if one of those companies runs off with people's money, people will be complaining. As much as you might be surprised, moderators don't really like big blowouts in the Meta section.

When I first saw the stipulations of the giveaway, that 10 separate threads would be created, I figured it might be an issue, but I won't get involved in anything relating to this as it would be unfair for me to do so, so the other moderators can decide what happens here. In my opinion anyway, since the majority of the reviews have a good deal of overlap, the most detailed review or reviews will stay afloat in the first page or pages, and the others that are already encapsulated into the more popular reviews will sink away.

[dogie]

So Hardware was flooded for 3-4 days. It's not such a big deal.

As of this post, 7/10 review threads, +the SP20 unofficial thread, + the spondoolies thread are all active on the front page. In part, because you are being active in each and all of them.

I'll say it again, does anyone have an objection to Bitmain paying for 50 review threads? Seems not.

[SaltySpitoon]

So Hardware was flooded for 3-4 days. It's not such a big deal.

As of this post, 7/10 review threads, +the SP20 unofficial thread, + the spondoolies thread are all active on the front page. In part, because you are being active in each and all of them.

I'll say it again, does anyone have an objection to Bitmain paying for 50 review threads? Seems not.

7 of the Legendary reviews are on the 2nd/3rd page. It seems that the unofficial review and support threads are staying bumped though.

[Guy Corem]

So Hardware was flooded for 3-4 days. It's not such a big deal.

As of this post, 7/10 review threads, +the SP20 unofficial thread, + the spondoolies thread are all active on the front page. In part, because you are being active in each and all of them.

I'll say it again, does anyone have an objection to Bitmain paying for 50 review threads? Seems not.

My involvement is a short courtesy thank you for the reviewer.
Be patient and most of the threads will sunk soon.
I did reply that I'll be happy to see 10 different reviews of a new BMT product.

I really don't understand all the negative attitude towards our legendaries review party. It's fun and harmless.

[dogie]

Taken this second. So of the first 17 threads, 11 are review threads, 2 are other ST threads and 4 are other threads. This is the definition of spam.

[hurricandave]

Ya missed one Dogie! The last post in the Groupbuy child thread is......

[mavericklm]

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