Cuba US relations

[freedomno1]

Just wanted to see the opinions from around the world to the US finally deciding to start relations with Cuba again, and if Obama just killed Florida in a sense for the democrats.

The US and Cuba announced a historic deal on Wednesday that will take major steps toward ending their 50-plus years of hostility. President Obama and Cuban President Raul Castro, brother of Fidel, spent 18 months negotiating the deal in secret.

http://www.vox.com/2014/12/18/7408819/cuba-deal-us-embargo

[Chef Ramsay]

Sounds like a super-majority of cuban americans support this buy perhaps not the way it was done behind the scenes. Naturally, there'll be major business opposition to certain Cuban products making their way into the US but too bad for them. Imo, this is a good thing but it's a phony distraction to get people riled up about pretty much nothing one way or the other when there's lots of imminent economic and spending issues that need to be fixed.

[redhawk979]

Sounds like a super-majority of cuban americans support this buy perhaps not the way it was done behind the scenes. Naturally, there'll be major business opposition to certain Cuban products making their way into the US but too bad for them. Imo, this is a good thing but it's a phony distraction to get people riled up about pretty much nothing one way or the other when there's lots of imminent economic and spending issues that need to be fixed.

We normalized relations but haven't lifted the embargo yet.

[coingamblingreviews]

Sounds like a super-majority of cuban americans support this buy perhaps not the way it was done behind the scenes. Naturally, there'll be major business opposition to certain Cuban products making their way into the US but too bad for them. Imo, this is a good thing but it's a phony distraction to get people riled up about pretty much nothing one way or the other when there's lots of imminent economic and spending issues that need to be fixed.

We normalized relations but haven't lifted the embargo yet.
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Looks like there has been some give on embargos. I think some Cuban cigars can be brought into the US now legally! haha

[freedomno1]

Sounds like a super-majority of cuban americans support this buy perhaps not the way it was done behind the scenes. Naturally, there'll be major business opposition to certain Cuban products making their way into the US but too bad for them. Imo, this is a good thing but it's a phony distraction to get people riled up about pretty much nothing one way or the other when there's lots of imminent economic and spending issues that need to be fixed.

We normalized relations but haven't lifted the embargo yet.

True enough that's another battle
That said if you can effectively create businesses in Cuba and travel there and bring home up to 100 dollars in Cuban cigars using Presidential powers
It still effectively does something.

[Lethn]

It's a question of whether they actually drop the embargo's or not, I'm all for it personally as sanctions don't do a damn thing other than give the citizens on the receiving end a legitimate reason to hate the rest of the outside world.

Like with most of these things, it seems to me that the majority of world politics and wars today are committed by madmen and psychopaths who insist on dragging us all down with them.

[saddampbuh]

i hope the cuban socialism won't die

[cakir]

Obama wants to smoke Cubans legally.

He's sick of trying to find them on the blackmarket...

[Nemo1024]

A good analysis from someone, who once was an interpreter for Castro.

https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/12/18/weakness-or-cunning-why-us-decided-to-end-50-year-standoff-with-cuba-now/

Just look at this brilliant logic! While Obama admits that sanctions didn’t work on Cuba, doing more harm than good, at the same time, miraculously, these same sanctions will somehow work on Russia!

Now that Turkey is leaning towards Russia and China, US is attempting to rebalance the situation by tempting Cuba to join the US sphere of influence. Wouldn’t that be ironic? I personally don’t think it will go anywhere. I know Cubans; I also know Russians, Venezuelans and Chinese. I know Americans too – perhaps even better.

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My assessment: I think US started using smarter advisors compared to those they used for the Kiev coup and Ukraine. But not smart enough.

It will be great if embargo is lifted and Cuba can start breathing easier! That said, Cubans, I hope you don’t forget who you are and I hope you remember you aren’t for sale!

[cakir]

A good analysis from someone, who once was an interpreter for Castro.

https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/12/18/weakness-or-cunning-why-us-decided-to-end-50-year-standoff-with-cuba-now/

Just look at this brilliant logic! While Obama admits that sanctions didn’t work on Cuba, doing more harm than good, at the same time, miraculously, these same sanctions will somehow work on Russia!

Now that Turkey is leaning towards Russia and China, US is attempting to rebalance the situation by tempting Cuba to join the US sphere of influence. Wouldn’t that be ironic? I personally don’t think it will go anywhere. I know Cubans; I also know Russians, Venezuelans and Chinese. I know Americans too – perhaps even better.

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My assessment: I think US started using smarter advisors compared to those they used for the Kiev coup and Ukraine. But not smart enough.

It will be great if embargo is lifted and Cuba can start breathing easier! That said, Cubans, I hope you don’t forget who you are and I hope you remember you aren’t for sale!

Turkey's prime minister Ahmet Davutoglu's ancestors is from Crimean Tatars. But this political party doesn't care about Turkic people.
Turkey & Russia shouldn't be ally. Because Russians tortured, deported many Turkic people from their homes. And now "Putin conquered a Turkic State"...

Turkey's leaning to Russia is just for money but nothing...

[exoton]

Sounds like a super-majority of cuban americans support this buy perhaps not the way it was done behind the scenes. Naturally, there'll be major business opposition to certain Cuban products making their way into the US but too bad for them. Imo, this is a good thing but it's a phony distraction to get people riled up about pretty much nothing one way or the other when there's lots of imminent economic and spending issues that need to be fixed.

I can't imagine why the US government doesn't/hasn't overthrown the Cuban government. Even if it has foreign allies, it isn't like we haven't been able to overthrow governments without being directly at war or directly involved with the country in the past

[Tzupy]

Obama wants to smoke Cubans legally.

He's sick of trying to find them on the blackmarket...

No, they are provided to him by the Secret Service. But this will only last until 2016, so the embargo must be dropped soon.

[Nemo1024]

Turkey's prime minister Ahmet Davutoglu's ancestors is from Crimean Tatars. But this political party doesn't care about Turkic people.
Turkey & Russia shouldn't be ally. Because Russians tortured, deported many Turkic people from their homes. And now "Putin conquered a Turkic State"...

Turkey's leaning to Russia is just for money but nothing...

That may be so. However if you look far enough beck into history, all countries/nations had some kind of conflict with each other. The question is if you can put those aside and build better relations or if you want to be stuck in the past strife.

So, a short history tour (sorry for the off-topic):
Before Tatars came to Crimea, they were a part of the Tatar-Mongol horde that occupied Russians for more than 300 years. Before Tatars, Crimea was a home to many nations, including Etruscans, whom Russians consider as part of their predecessors.

This horde is remembered by Russians still, yet most manage to put it aside for building of better future, as do the Mongols. After Russia liberated itself from the occupations, Tatars were not completely driven off, but rather lived within Russia. Presently you have autonomous republic of Tatarstan in RF. Crimean Tatars now have a better status in Crimea than during the last 20 years under Ukraine, Tatar language having become an official language there. The deportation of Tatars from Crimea didn't happen on the whim of Russians. If you want to bear a grudge I can address you to Georgia. In fact, there are many mixed Russian/Tatar marriages in Crimea and only 1% of troublemakers make the most noise there on ethnic grounds.

[Kluge]

Cuba's still fucked, and if the embargo's lifted, we'll have to fire at least half the security/confiscation force at MIA. It's not going to change the trade deficit much because they're a poor, economically irrelevant import country without cheap imports being opened up by this - there isn't much upside for them. Bill Gates is worth more than Cuba's GDP. The damage was already done and they're now decades behind where they ought to be.

The embargo's a PitA for the rich, I suppose, but the travel and immigration restrictions are the killer, keeping families apart. I think it was Dubya's regime which really clamped down, even eliminating travel permissions for families in the US wanting to visit family in Cuba with medical emergencies. -But relations normalization has all sorts of great implications for Cuba's future, looking outside goods trade. Cubans have to bounce connections around the world to reach a US server because the USG refuses to allow an undersea connection between the US and Cuba (Cuba connects to a line all the freakin' way from Venezuela built a few years ago). A Cuban could have a 50mbps synch. connection and it'll still take them 5-30 seconds to load a 10kb page hosted only 90 miles away in Florida.

[Nemo1024]

Words of wisdom from Paul Craig Roberts:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/12/19/regime-change-cuba-paul-craig-roberts/

Letter from a reader:

I wish I could visit Cuba while it’s still Cuba, even though poor they have better medical care than the US. The first thing that will happen when the US starts doing business, the old cars will disappear. The streets will be one big traffic jam and the hand pulled carts gone. The Cuban food will be taken over by Burger King, Pizza Hut and Hard Rock Café. Saw it happen in Cancun within three years.

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Before the American left and the Cuban government find happiness in the normalization, they should consider that with normalization comes American money and a US Embassy. The American money will take over the Cuban economy. The embassy will be a home for CIA operatives to subvert the Cuban government. The embassy will provide a base from which the US can establish NGOs whose gullible members can be called to street protest at the right time, as in Kiev, and the embassy will make it possible for Washington to groom a new set of political leaders.

In short, normalization of relations means regime change in Cuba. Soon Cuba will be another of Washington’s vassal states.
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[Agestorzrxx]

i hope the cuban socialism won't die

Why?
Socialism/Communism is similar as fascism.
The different is  fascism invade other country, and Socialism/Communism coerce their own people.

[hashman]

I will also close the guantanamo bay center for raping innocent boys as soon as I take office. 

[Gronthaing]

Sounds like a super-majority of cuban americans support this buy perhaps not the way it was done behind the scenes. Naturally, there'll be major business opposition to certain Cuban products making their way into the US but too bad for them. Imo, this is a good thing but it's a phony distraction to get people riled up about pretty much nothing one way or the other when there's lots of imminent economic and spending issues that need to be fixed.

I can't imagine why the US government doesn't/hasn't overthrown the Cuban government. Even if it has foreign allies, it isn't like we haven't been able to overthrow governments without being directly at war or directly involved with the country in the past

Tried and failed. Ever hear of the Bay of Pigs invasion? That, assassinations, terror attacks against Cuba, etc. It's not always that simple.

i hope the cuban socialism won't die

Why?
Socialism/Communism is similar as fascism.
The different is  fascism invade other country, and Socialism/Communism coerce their own people.

Socialism and communism aren't similar to fascism. They're perfectly compatible with democracy. What usually gets confused with this is state socialism. And no, the Soviet Union wasn't socialist either, much less communist.