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December 22, 2014, 05:35:36 PM |
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I personally can't really convince myself to trust sites that don't have a company and don't own any sort of license.
It makes me feel like I am trusting criminals, because they simply don't pay taxes while they are turning over millions.
I'd like to see more dice sites that don't just earn their reputation on this forum but actually have some legal backup.
Do you guys feel the same or is the forum trust enough for you to feel safe?
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NeuroticFish
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December 22, 2014, 05:52:58 PM |
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I understand that this is a "gray" area, however, if a site has a lot of users, quite some activity in the past ... months and no real complains, I feel pretty safe.
Why? Because they can win much more money keeping a good business than stealing a few coins from you, me and a few others - until the complains will start flowing.
This is my personal opinion and I hope it helps.
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unamis76
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December 22, 2014, 06:07:39 PM |
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Don't have a company? Don't have any license? So what?
You can either have a dishonest site running with licenses, and honest site without any kind of "official stuff". There are many scammers out there who are protected by licenses/governments.
You don't need to be "official" to be honest and have a good business running. Also, if you do have an honest business, nothing and nobody has anything to do with that. Taxes are frequently misused by those who collect them.
I could say many things about this, but summing up... Forum trust is enough. This forum is more competent and demanding in choosing who's trustworthy or not than many governments or license requierments out there.
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December 22, 2014, 06:13:17 PM |
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Never deposit and gamble what you cant afford to loose, the moment you step into a dice site and deposit you must be very sure that you may go back with 0 coins maybe because of cheating , bad luck , etc Then too if you like to trust then deposit , its better to see forum trust, and dont gamble with a new site right away, at least wait 1-2 weeks until some people test it out  |
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ComboChris (OP)
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December 22, 2014, 06:16:52 PM |
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Don't have a company? Don't have any license? So what?
You can either have a dishonest site running with licenses, and honest site without any kind of "official stuff". There are many scammers out there who are protected by licenses/governments.
You don't need to be "official" to be honest and have a good business running. Also, if you do have an honest business, nothing and nobody has anything to do with that. Taxes are frequently misused by those who collect them.
I could say many things about this, but summing up... Forum trust is enough. This forum is more competent and demanding in choosing who's trustworthy or not than many governments or license requierments out there.
If a company would scam somebody, the owners would actually get in trouble. If they are anonomys people on the internet, nothing will happen to them if they scam. I do get your point though and definitely do think that forum trust is very important, it's just not enough for me, at least it wouldn't be if there were competitors who offer the same product but in a legal way. |
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December 22, 2014, 06:17:11 PM |
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For me, I don't care about a license at all. I only trust old sites that have good staff supports and good feedback from users.
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superSTAR777
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December 22, 2014, 06:18:25 PM |
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For me, I don't care about a license at all. I only trust old sites that have good staff supports and good feedback from users.
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unamis76
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December 22, 2014, 06:33:16 PM |
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Don't have a company? Don't have any license? So what?
You can either have a dishonest site running with licenses, and honest site without any kind of "official stuff". There are many scammers out there who are protected by licenses/governments.
You don't need to be "official" to be honest and have a good business running. Also, if you do have an honest business, nothing and nobody has anything to do with that. Taxes are frequently misused by those who collect them.
I could say many things about this, but summing up... Forum trust is enough. This forum is more competent and demanding in choosing who's trustworthy or not than many governments or license requierments out there.
If a company would scam somebody, the owners would actually get in trouble. If they are anonomys people on the internet, nothing will happen to them if they scam. I do get your point though and definitely do think that forum trust is very important, it's just not enough for me, at least it wouldn't be if there were competitors who offer the same product but in a legal way. Thats true, but most of them would already be using some of the profits to defend themselves in justice... And that would keep them out of jail, sometimes permanently. People who are around to harm don't really think of the consequences they will have later on, if their pockets are full by then. Licences, do they give a extra sense of protection? Yes. Does it really matter for the end consumer? No, because if a licensed, dishonest casino loses/steals their user's money, they won't be able to get it back. |
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December 22, 2014, 06:44:00 PM |
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For me, I don't care about a license at all. I only trust old sites that have good staff supports and good feedback from users.
I am the same boat with you. But the most thing that i will start with small to convince myself for the site i am playing with. |
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December 22, 2014, 07:09:20 PM |
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No site is totally safe. Anytime they can bankrupt or got hacked. Depend on you to play or not
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December 22, 2014, 07:23:22 PM |
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No site is totally safe. Anytime they can bankrupt or got hacked. Depend on you to play or not
To minimize your risk, you can deposit bitcoin just before playing and withdraw all your bitcoin after you are done. With this, you will not be affected unless the site is hacked or decide to scam right in that short period. |
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December 22, 2014, 07:26:45 PM |
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I would have to see the nonce #`s in sequence, and other numerous other things.
Then also payouts, with the timing if they delayed or not etc.
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December 22, 2014, 09:46:30 PM |
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it really depends on how they handle security in my view. if they do it very poor, and the user based is effected, then everyone will leave something similar like that one site called dicebitco.in that lost over night due to a supposedly a rogue employee.
it was a huge mess with people who invested on that site on the investor side. outside from the player side manipulation.
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Yuki1988
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December 22, 2014, 09:55:47 PM |
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it really depends on how they handle security in my view. if they do it very poor, and the user based is effected, then everyone will leave something similar like that one site called dicebitco.in that lost over night due to a supposedly a rogue employee.
it was a huge mess with people who invested on that site on the investor side. outside from the player side manipulation.
Dicebitco.in didn't have a security issue. Instead, they have been caught cheating, not just once but twice. |
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December 22, 2014, 10:17:50 PM |
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Company and licenses doesn't mean too much here. Surely nice to have but many reliable bitcoin businesses are running without licenses and registrations. Maybe this will change in the future as cryptos going to mainstream.
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December 22, 2014, 11:30:54 PM |
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I personally can't really convince myself to trust sites that don't have a company and don't own any sort of license.
It makes me feel like I am trusting criminals, because they simply don't pay taxes while they are turning over millions.
I'd like to see more dice sites that don't just earn their reputation on this forum but actually have some legal backup.
Do you guys feel the same or is the forum trust enough for you to feel safe?
Well, you can do nothing if the dice sites run away with the money. So its best not to blindly trust a site owner. |
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December 22, 2014, 11:56:47 PM |
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I personally can't really convince myself to trust sites that don't have a company and don't own any sort of license.
It makes me feel like I am trusting criminals, because they simply don't pay taxes while they are turning over millions.
I'd like to see more dice sites that don't just earn their reputation on this forum but actually have some legal backup.
Do you guys feel the same or is the forum trust enough for you to feel safe?
I trust them more than government run casino's which their crazy high house edges. |
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December 22, 2014, 11:58:28 PM |
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For me its about provably fair dice sites with good long lasting reputations. Honestly theres only a handful that i do actually trust. After the everydice thing last year i pretty much only play primedice. Sites like safedice and rollin seem ok and i have played there a bit but they do not have the trusted rep that primedice does.
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December 23, 2014, 12:31:58 AM |
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First of all the dice should be probably fair.
Then I see how long the website is operating and who is the owner. If I find the owner trustworthy and a nice person I play on the dice. After pd paid 2000 btc to hufflepuff, I think pd is the most trustworthy.
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December 23, 2014, 02:39:33 AM |
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it really depends on how they handle security in my view. if they do it very poor, and the user based is effected, then everyone will leave something similar like that one site called dicebitco.in that lost over night due to a supposedly a rogue employee.
it was a huge mess with people who invested on that site on the investor side. outside from the player side manipulation.
Dicebitco.in didn't have a security issue. Instead, they have been caught cheating, not just once but twice. How come a provably fair site is cheating? |
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