"Few countries on earth do lying quite like the United States."

[KenJackson]

Claiming that all scientists agree on global warming because they're paid by the government to think that is just not grounded in anything but your desire for it to be true.

It sounds like you're claiming all scientists agree on global warming.  That's quite a stretch.  (And you used the old name instead of the modern mandate, climate change.)  But many, many such studies, probably most, are indeed paid for directly by government grants or by companies with government contracts.  I understand the reason there doesn't appear to be much opposition is that peers don't want to endanger their grants by even reviewing contrary papers.  And incentive to publish is reduced by the knowledge that the mockingbird media will knee-jerk label them deniers.

Just ask yourself why the government would pay for this result.  Then ask yourself what any government wants.

Governments would pay to have an understanding what is going on, the same reason they would pay to conduct a census every ten years that asks invasive questions about your ethnicity and income, or embark on a study of wind patterns, or any other sociological or scientific pursuit that governments sponsor studies on. The government doesn't have a pre-determined outcome they are forcing people to subscribe to.

Governments want to govern.  They want to have a reason that will be seen as valid to make laws and enforce them.  They want to be seen as the white knights coming to the rescue of the adoring, ignorant masses.  And climate change gives them a free hand to wreak all manner of havoc in the name of saving the earth.  They must keep the public ignorant to pull it off.

It's extremely amusing to have to defend my thesis that the government is lying in a thread that's all about the government lying.

Government doesn't do anything particularly well.

We totally agree on that one.

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[jaysabi]

Claiming that all scientists agree on global warming because they're paid by the government to think that is just not grounded in anything but your desire for it to be true.

It sounds like you're claiming all scientists agree on global warming.  That's quite a stretch.  (And you used the old name instead of the modern mandate, climate change.)  But many, many such studies, probably most, are indeed paid for directly by government grants or by companies with government contracts.  I understand the reason there doesn't appear to be much opposition is that peers don't want to endanger their grants by even reviewing contrary papers.  And incentive to publish is reduced by the knowledge that the mockingbird media will knee-jerk label them deniers.

Just ask yourself why the government would pay for this result.  Then ask yourself what any government wants.

Governments would pay to have an understanding what is going on, the same reason they would pay to conduct a census every ten years that asks invasive questions about your ethnicity and income, or embark on a study of wind patterns, or any other sociological or scientific pursuit that governments sponsor studies on. The government doesn't have a pre-determined outcome they are forcing people to subscribe to.

Governments want to govern.  They want to have a reason that will be seen as valid to make laws and enforce them.  They want to be seen as the white knights coming to the rescue of the adoring, ignorant masses.  And climate change gives them a free hand to wreak all manner of havoc in the name of saving the earth.  They must keep the public ignorant to pull it off.

It's extremely amusing to have to defend my thesis that the government is lying in a thread that's all about the government lying.

Government doesn't do anything particularly well.

We totally agree on that one.

Saying "all scientists agree on global warming" is much less of a stretch than "scientists only believe in global warming because of a worldwide conspiracy instituted by governments." In any event, I was only parroting your earlier sentiments. On the topic though, of published, peer-reviewed papers, it is on the order of the high 90 percent that agree mankind's actions are changing the climate. And whether it's called "global warming" or "climate change" is ultimately of little consequence to me. The fact that the name has been confused reflects the baseless push back by conservatives to spin scientific consensus into a global conspiracy. I understand the the reason there doesn't appear to be much opposition is that science is science, and there's a scientific consensus because that's the reality. Deniers is an appropriate word for someone who refuses to accept reality because it doesn't fit their political ideology. I suppose your conspiracy theory would have more legs in a world where science was only controlled by the government, and there was no such thing as peer review, or the ability to conduct science outside of government offices. Or any shred of plausibility whatsoever in the notion that the US government can control all climate science on a global scale.

[toddtervy]

the biggest lies of 2014
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/political-lies-2014/

U.S. is pretty pathetic.  They're always in the spotlight too.  Just a matter of time before economic collapse and a mess in that country.

[Chef Ramsay]

the biggest lies of 2014
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/political-lies-2014/

U.S. is pretty pathetic.  They're always in the spotlight too.  Just a matter of time before economic collapse and a mess in that country.

Right and what a tragedy that will be considering very few could comprehend that anything could possibly be different here in the US in terms of always getting one's paycheck or govt handout to purchase personal needs or wants. Such a wakeup call of a currency crisis would hit everyone hard as hell but less so for the preppers and pm/crypto types who'll actually have a pot to piss in while everyone else is either lined up to get food or out on their ass cause their fiat isn't buying shit anymore.

[Shattered]

the biggest lies of 2014
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/political-lies-2014/

U.S. is pretty pathetic.  They're always in the spotlight too.  Just a matter of time before economic collapse and a mess in that country.

Right and what a tragedy that will be considering very few could comprehend that anything could possibly be different here in the US in terms of always getting one's paycheck or govt handout to purchase personal needs or wants. Such a wakeup call of a currency crisis would hit everyone hard as hell but less so for the preppers and pm/crypto types who'll actually have a pot to piss in while everyone else is either lined up to get food or out on their ass cause their fiat isn't buying shit anymore.

All the people who laugh at the preppers for being "paranoid" will wish that they too had the vision to prepare.
Some people enjoy going thru life with their head in the sand....eventually you have to accept reality.

The majority of the people in the US are so clueless, its almost scary.
I bet the majority of people in the US do not know:

1)Who the vice president is
2)How much (within a few hundred dollars) an once of Gold is
3)Where China is on a map
4)What president is on the $10 bill

*ok, #4 is kinda a trick question, but you guys get my point.

Less money spend on foreign aid, military defense, and illegal global wars.
More money on prioritizing higher education

If we did that, many people would be much better off in the future.

[panju1]

The majority of the people in the US are so clueless, its almost scary.
I bet the majority of people in the US do not know:

1)Who the vice president is
2)How much (within a few hundred dollars) an once of Gold is
3)Where China is on a map
4)What president is on the $10 bill

At #3, most people in the US equate America to the World. So it is not surprising.

[pattu1]

the biggest lies of 2014
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/political-lies-2014/

U.S. is pretty pathetic.  They're always in the spotlight too.  Just a matter of time before economic collapse and a mess in that country.

US collapse would be bad for the world as a whole as well.
A lot of countries hold US government bonds.

[Ludi]

America is just power hungry and run by corporations so it's obvious they'll say and do what they want to keep their business interests happy.

the biggest lies of 2014
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/political-lies-2014/

U.S. is pretty pathetic.  They're always in the spotlight too.  Just a matter of time before economic collapse and a mess in that country.

Didn't they already cause the last one?

[sickhouse]

America is just power hungry and run by corporations so it's obvious they'll say and do what they want to keep their business interests happy.

the biggest lies of 2014
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/political-lies-2014/

U.S. is pretty pathetic.  They're always in the spotlight too.  Just a matter of time before economic collapse and a mess in that country.

Didn't they already cause the last one?

Kind of the first one as well, their economy has been in the tubes for quite a while now. The debt to federal reserve is quite big nowdays, they made bank so to speak.

[Shattered]

At this point, i no longer think Washington holds most of the blame.
Its the general public. They are willing to remain asleep as long as:

American Idol is on every week
Fast food companies sell them dinner for under $10
EBT cards are handed out like candy
Public school (where their children get an inferior education just like Mom & Dad did) remains free
A new comic book themed movie is released every month
You are still free to carry a concealed gun at Walmart, so your 2yr old can shoot you

Like a few others in this thread have already pointed out, politicians are just doing what their corporate bosses tell them to do...
The general population continues to sleep-walk and at this point its no one elses fault but their own.

[ObscureBean]

Humans are pathological liars by nature, it should come as no surprise that the US lies too. Since the world we live in has been built on lies and everybody lies to achieve their goals, the US's ability to lie better should be hailed as a virtue  Seriously though, only the one who's never told a single lie can ride this high horse with impunity.

[Bubbsandbubbs3]

This begs the question: who is the biggest liar in america? I have a vague idea...