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December 30, 2014, 05:35:49 PM
Last edit: December 30, 2014, 08:20:40 PM by klondike_bar
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To preface this review, I have owned, operated, and over/underclocked S1, S2, S3, and S3+ hardware from Bitmain, as well as Bitfury, BTCGarden, SP10/SP31, and rockminer hardware. Bitmain asked me if I would like a demo unit of the S5 and I was happy to say yes, as it was an interesting piece of hardware with pre-conceived opinions.

I want to make this review focus on some of the details that others might not. I want to use the miner with a smaller PSU and focus on specific issues rather than waste time and text talking about things like efficiency and overclocking, as this information is already available from several other reviews and threads.

UNBOXING: This is a breeze. pretty much the exact same as an S3 unit; bubblewrap, 1 peice of tape, foam clamshell, beat-up cardboard box with staples keeping it securely sealed
SETUP: Again, a breeze. Plug in power, plug in ethernet, turn on. It uses DHCP this time and findes itself an address (in my case .135). Use an ip scanner to locate whaich ip it chose. in comparison the SP-tech hardware is very easy to find via http://start.spondoolies-tech.com/.
POWER: I am using a Corsair CS650M GOLD PSU. It has 2 paired PCIe cables (4 connectors total). I used one paired cable per blade of the miner.
MINING: Once connected the unit began mining. accessing the web interface with root/root as before presents the well-known interface and after entering my eligius credentials I have 1.17TH speed average over 20 minutes. This miner is easily capable of meeting spec right from the box, compared to the SP20 which only achieves spec in very cold environments.
NOISE: This is not an S3 - its much louder. The fans run at 100% for the first 10 seconds at boot, then tame down until the unit starts hashing and heats up. at that point, fans are up at 3600-3900 RPM (according to GUI) and loud. Sound is almost identical to a vaccuum cleaner, and sounds similar to a 1.3A rockminer fan or a wall of s1 units. noise quality isnt bad, its loud but not shrieking. A relatively loud vaccuum cleaner is the most accurate description.
OVER AND UNDER CLOCKING: Underclocking down as low as 225MHz was tried, with a linear adjustment in hashrate and temperatures reducing from 54C stock to 46C. Fan speed was reduced, but only by 600rpm, and is still too loud to conceive running in the same room as you work. Overclocking was tried to 362.5MHz and seemed to handle just fine. hashrates and temperature up slighty, fan noise stayed about the same as at 350MHz
BOARD TEMPERATURES: at stock speed and 20C ambient the readings are about 53C. With 0C intake air and 225MHz the unit reads 39C with the fan at 2880RPM. The exhaust air is far less, possibly only 10C. I think this difference will become an issue because right now the stock fans run far too fast most of the time, and I think setting higher temperature targets is possible. 2880RPM at 39C is silly, thats like 75% fan speed for about half the power usage and a fresh air intake.

so, the next step is pictures!
first, lets compare this to an antminer S1: Apart from a different controller, the unit is almost identical. The frame and heatsinks are the same (frame ends are flipped though), and the real difference is the presence of plastic side panels, which is something that was missing in the S1 but overkill in the S3. Assuming screw locations are the same you could easily have an S1->S5 upgrade kit. An interesting difference is that the screws are all spring-loaded for whatever reason. (i found that at least half the screws could be tightened about a 1/4 rotation more though)


Finally, I think the most important aspect of this review is to bring up the pros and cons of the hardware as i see it
CONS:
1) the final picture seen above shows that the reset button is not aligned with the hole in the frame. This is minor, but worth pointing out I feel. could make resetting a tad more difficult.
2) THE FAN IS LOUD!!! Seriously Bitmain, install a second fan like on the S3. I think some extra shrouding at the top could help also, just another simple piece of plastic with 4 tie-down points. I plan to install an S1 fan as a secondary soon and see how that helps.
3) undervolting the hardware is not as easy as a pencil mod or software tuning - it requires a strong 9V or adjustable power supply that few people own, and isnt necessary with the SP20
4) ITS LOUD. Im saying this again because you will not be able to run this in your living room like you could with the S3. You can hear the fan through the closed doors.

NEUTRALS:
1) It isnt fully enclosed at the top or bottom. This wont affect the majority of people and makes the unit well suited as an inexpensive miner for farms. For the home user though this might frighten off people who dont want to have things falling onto/into the miner. Theres no real risk of running this on a metal surface that i can tell, as the boards are elevated from the bottom slightly
2) DHCP - its nice to see this choose its own IP, but can make it difficult to find without an IP scanner. For the bulk user though, this saves the tedious process of setting up only one machine at a time at 192.168.1.99
3) Stock settings are enough to make the cables on my CS650M get warm. not hot by any means, but warm. A lower quality power supply might get concerningly hot cables if they are not made with thick wire.

PROS:
1) at ~0.51w/GH stock, its very power efficient.
2) Simple design. likely much cheaper to produce than the SP20, and easy to setup.
3) comes with a stripped-down beaglebone that could be repurposed or used again on future hardware versions when the S5 is no longer in use.
4) a secondary fan can easily be installed and there are holes available to screw one onto.
5) The Minerlink 'findyourminer' application has the ability to tell any specific S5 units to beep loudly and flash the LEDs - This is a fantastic idea for anyone who wants to distinguish miners from one another when dealing with DHCP changes for dozens or more of the S5

Conclusion: Its a decent miner, but in its current revision it is too loud for the home user. Underclocking could improve the volume, but it does not improve efficiency and in contrast the SP20 is a better miner if you want to underclock/undervolt for efficiency. I think Bitmain needs to revisit the drawing board for this miner, and come back with a version that has 16 chips per chain to achieve ~0.44W/GH at a similar hashrate but lower power consumption, and/or a secondary fan to keep the noise down


edit: I have a trio of SP20 units delivering tomorrow, and will follow-up this review with a better comparison of the two units

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December 30, 2014, 05:40:26 PM
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Looks great might buy one myself Smiley
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December 30, 2014, 06:05:45 PM
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I think it is great how the manufactures are now sending out review units to members! I am looking forward to some S5/SP20 comparisons.
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December 30, 2014, 06:08:08 PM
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Hey Klondike, can you confirm that the S5 hole pattern matches the hole pattern on the S1 heatsink?
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December 30, 2014, 06:13:32 PM
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Hey Klondike, can you confirm that the S5 hole pattern matches the hole pattern on the S1 heatsink?
It looks to be the exact same heatsink with holes in all the same spots, but I dont want to dissassemble everything and much up the thermal paste to confirm if its millimeter-for-millimeter identical. Im pretty sure it is though.

I added an S1 fan as a secondary, and it helped a bit, but barely. Now i have two loud fans. Also added a bit of clear tape to the top as shrouding and i think that helps, perhaps even moreso than the pull fan did. I think Bitmain needs to include a top shroud made of the same flexible thin plastic as the sides - a lot of airflow is lost out the top, just like it was in the S1

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December 30, 2014, 09:35:53 PM
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If the heatsink is the same (looks like), just have to get some hash boards and controllers...  Wink

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December 30, 2014, 10:26:43 PM
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If the heatsink is the same (looks like), just have to get some hash boards and controllers...  Wink
It kind of looks like the controller board can run 4 blades, which would make a <$700 4blade/controller/BBB package very attractive for existing S1 owners.
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December 30, 2014, 10:32:16 PM
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If the heatsink is the same (looks like), just have to get some hash boards and controllers...  Wink
It kind of looks like the controller board can run 4 blades, which would make a <$700 4blade/controller/BBB package very attractive for existing S1 owners.

Like a C2 would probably need?
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December 30, 2014, 10:43:01 PM
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If the heatsink is the same (looks like), just have to get some hash boards and controllers...  Wink
It kind of looks like the controller board can run 4 blades, which would make a <$700 4blade/controller/BBB package very attractive for existing S1 owners.
Like a C2 would probably need?
yeah, assuming theres no random limitations, you could upgrade a C1 with S5 boards as long as the heatsinks/liquid can keep pace

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December 30, 2014, 11:42:49 PM
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This unit can overclock, but needs some cool air.

-5C intake air, 412.5MHz, 53-56C temps, 1.32TH (1.35Th expected). Any higher than 412.5MHz seems to result in losing hashrate, even if temperatures are kept under 56C
-5C intake air, 400MHz, 51-54C temps, 1.32TH (1.35Th expected).
17C intake air, 400MHz, 61-65C temps, 1.32TH (1.33Th expected). almost no HW errors at this temperature.

This is with the stock fan connected to a 7V power, no PWM. Its about 3000RPM approx.

My next step will be to swap in an S1 fan at 7V (about 2/3 the airflow) and see what happens. Should be very manageable volume, but to keep temeratures under 65C it will need either a cold intake at 400MHz or warm intake at stock 350MHz

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December 30, 2014, 11:57:30 PM
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This unit can overclock, but needs some cool air.

-5C intake air, 412.5MHz, 53-56C temps, 1.32TH (1.35Th expected). Any higher than 412.5MHz seems to result in losing hashrate, even if temperatures are kept under 56C
-5C intake air, 400MHz, 51-54C temps, 1.32TH (1.35Th expected).
17C intake air, 400MHz, 61-65C temps, 1.32TH (1.33Th expected). almost no HW errors at this temperature.

This is with the stock fan connected to a 7V power, no PWM. Its about 3000RPM approx.

My next step will be to swap in an S1 fan at 7V (about 2/3 the airflow) and see what happens. Should be very manageable volume, but to keep temeratures under 65C it will need either a cold intake at 400MHz or warm intake at stock 350MHz

Do you have a kill-a-watt meter?  If so, what is the power draw at the wall at these different settings?
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December 31, 2014, 12:04:10 AM
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This unit can overclock, but needs some cool air.

-5C intake air, 412.5MHz, 53-56C temps, 1.32TH (1.35Th expected). Any higher than 412.5MHz seems to result in losing hashrate, even if temperatures are kept under 56C
-5C intake air, 400MHz, 51-54C temps, 1.32TH (1.35Th expected).
17C intake air, 400MHz, 61-65C temps, 1.32TH (1.33Th expected). almost no HW errors at this temperature.

This is with the stock fan connected to a 7V power, no PWM. Its about 3000RPM approx.

My next step will be to swap in an S1 fan at 7V (about 2/3 the airflow) and see what happens. Should be very manageable volume, but to keep temeratures under 65C it will need either a cold intake at 400MHz or warm intake at stock 350MHz

Do you have a kill-a-watt meter?  If so, what is the power draw at the wall at these different settings?
I don't, but it should be pretty linear as the chip voltage is no different, only frequency. (ie: if stock is 350MHz/560W, 400MHZ would use about 640W) One of the other reviews found that efficiency at stock was about 0.52w/GH whereas at 250MHz it was around 0.50w/gh.

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December 31, 2014, 12:07:11 AM
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This unit can overclock, but needs some cool air.

-5C intake air, 412.5MHz, 53-56C temps, 1.32TH (1.35Th expected). Any higher than 412.5MHz seems to result in losing hashrate, even if temperatures are kept under 56C
-5C intake air, 400MHz, 51-54C temps, 1.32TH (1.35Th expected).
17C intake air, 400MHz, 61-65C temps, 1.32TH (1.33Th expected). almost no HW errors at this temperature.

This is with the stock fan connected to a 7V power, no PWM. Its about 3000RPM approx.

My next step will be to swap in an S1 fan at 7V (about 2/3 the airflow) and see what happens. Should be very manageable volume, but to keep temeratures under 65C it will need either a cold intake at 400MHz or warm intake at stock 350MHz

Do you have a kill-a-watt meter?  If so, what is the power draw at the wall at these different settings?
I don't, but it should be pretty linear as the chip voltage is no different, only frequency. (ie: if stock is 350MHz/560W, 400MHZ would use about 640W) One of the other reviews found that efficiency at stock was about 0.52w/GH whereas at 250MHz it was around 0.50w/gh.

This is far more linear then the sp20 is..    about .49 to .51 from  freq 225 to 356.

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December 31, 2014, 12:09:39 AM
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This unit can overclock, but needs some cool air.

-5C intake air, 412.5MHz, 53-56C temps, 1.32TH (1.35Th expected). Any higher than 412.5MHz seems to result in losing hashrate, even if temperatures are kept under 56C
-5C intake air, 400MHz, 51-54C temps, 1.32TH (1.35Th expected).
17C intake air, 400MHz, 61-65C temps, 1.32TH (1.33Th expected). almost no HW errors at this temperature.

This is with the stock fan connected to a 7V power, no PWM. Its about 3000RPM approx.

My next step will be to swap in an S1 fan at 7V (about 2/3 the airflow) and see what happens. Should be very manageable volume, but to keep temeratures under 65C it will need either a cold intake at 400MHz or warm intake at stock 350MHz

Do you have a kill-a-watt meter?  If so, what is the power draw at the wall at these different settings?
I don't, but it should be pretty linear as the chip voltage is no different, only frequency. (ie: if stock is 350MHz/560W, 400MHZ would use about 640W) One of the other reviews found that efficiency at stock was about 0.52w/GH whereas at 250MHz it was around 0.50w/gh.

This is far more linear then the sp20 is..    about .49 to .51 from  freq 225 to 356.

I was wondering when it got to 400-412.5 what it was pulling at the wall where it would probably be not so linear at the peak.
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December 31, 2014, 12:11:05 AM
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This unit can overclock, but needs some cool air.

-5C intake air, 412.5MHz, 53-56C temps, 1.32TH (1.35Th expected). Any higher than 412.5MHz seems to result in losing hashrate, even if temperatures are kept under 56C
-5C intake air, 400MHz, 51-54C temps, 1.32TH (1.35Th expected).
17C intake air, 400MHz, 61-65C temps, 1.32TH (1.33Th expected). almost no HW errors at this temperature.

This is with the stock fan connected to a 7V power, no PWM. Its about 3000RPM approx.

My next step will be to swap in an S1 fan at 7V (about 2/3 the airflow) and see what happens. Should be very manageable volume, but to keep temeratures under 65C it will need either a cold intake at 400MHz or warm intake at stock 350MHz

Do you have a kill-a-watt meter?  If so, what is the power draw at the wall at these different settings?
I don't, but it should be pretty linear as the chip voltage is no different, only frequency. (ie: if stock is 350MHz/560W, 400MHZ would use about 640W) One of the other reviews found that efficiency at stock was about 0.52w/GH whereas at 250MHz it was around 0.50w/gh.

This is far more linear then the sp20 is..    about .49 to .51 from  freq 225 to 356.

I was wondering when it got to 400-412.5 what it was pulling at the wall where it would probably be not so linear at the peak.
it really wouldnt change much. The SP20 changes voltage to change efficiency, whereas the S5 is fixed based on the input (12.05V). even at 412.5MHz its likely 0.54w/gh or better

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December 31, 2014, 12:57:25 AM
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swapped in an S1 fan, driven at 7V only. At this power the unit is a reasonable volume for home mining, but at 350MHz or 363.5Mhz requires some cool air intake to keep below 65C. at room temperature it would probably be at about 325MHz to maintain less than 65C

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December 31, 2014, 06:11:12 PM
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The S5 can be very managable if the fan is driven at 5V, and can still push 1.2TH at about 600W. This causes temperatures around 56-62C, with 5C intake air and a makeshift top shroud of packing tape.

The SP20 is about the same volume at ~10% fan speed and can drive about 1.25TH/600W in the same ambient settings.

I dont have a killawatt, but I know neither is tripping my CS650M GOLD supplies (they trip at about 625W+ on 12V) (The S5 tripped it at 400MHz, or about 640W)

If I had to choose a winner, it would be the SP20. But with pricing considered they are about equal - I think bitmain could revisit the drawing board and come back with a quieter model that has a top shroud and is a cheaper than the SP20

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December 31, 2014, 06:18:28 PM
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The SP20 is about the same volume at ~10% fan speed and can drive about 1.25TH/600W in the same ambient settings.

I dont have a killawatt

I haven't seen anyone get the SP20 that good. It's more like 650-700 watts for 1.2 TH/s.

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December 31, 2014, 06:23:34 PM
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The SP20 is about the same volume at ~10% fan speed and can drive about 1.25TH/600W in the same ambient settings.

I dont have a killawatt

I haven't seen anyone get the SP20 that good. It's more like 650-700 watts for 1.2 TH/s.

Im measuring at the PSU, not at the wall. and by measure, I only know what the SP20 tells me (i set it to 150W/cable) and whether the PSU trips (612.5W 12V rail, seems to trip at 625W+). Right now the SP20 is at 10% fan, 18/52/47 temps, and 1.195TH. noise is about the same as my S5 at 5V fan power, 56/62 temps, and 1.23TH

update: pushed the Sp20 to 8% fan and 155W per connector. PSU seems steady so far and volume is about the same as the S5. 50/55C exhaust on it with 1.21TH. Both peices of hardware are excellent and capable of similar specs when running at 1.2TH

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Im measuring at the PSU, not at the wall. and by measure, I only know what the SP20 tells me (i set it to 150W/cable) and whether the PSU trips (612.5W 12V rail, seems to trip at 625W+). Right now the SP20 is at 10% fan, 18/52/47 temps, and 1.195TH. noise is about the same as my S5 at 5V fan power, 56/62 temps, and 1.23TH

update: pushed the Sp20 to 8% fan and 155W per connector. PSU seems steady so far and volume is about the same as the S5. 50/55C exhaust on it with 1.21TH. Both peices of hardware are excellent and capable of similar specs when running at 1.2TH

I'm going to tune both S5 and SP20 to 700 watts each, and see what performance they get.

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