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January 31, 2015, 10:04:44 PM
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Most bitcoin investmenst are scam. But if you really want to lose money, you can do it with style.
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February 08, 2015, 01:47:40 AM
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I think there is long way to we reach somewhat safe and profitable bitcoin investments. For now most of bitcoin investments are ponzy schemes or scam.
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February 08, 2015, 10:15:58 AM
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I think there is long way to we reach somewhat safe and profitable bitcoin investments. For now most of bitcoin investments are ponzy schemes or scam.

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February 08, 2015, 10:56:58 AM
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I've recently got into Bitcoin and I really like it. I can see its benefits for everyone. I use it for purchases when available, but I am also trying to find a good way to invest. I'm not interested in cloud mining. Any suggestions?


Like many others have said just buying bitcoins is an investment in itself, especially in times where big currencys like the EUR & USD may be heading down or into a deep recession/depression that might last for many years. So investing some into precious metals like Gold, Platinum, Silver, agricultural land, forrest property, electricity producing equipment like solar panels windpower, digital currencys may be a very wise move to secure your assets if the paper money of your country may loose (most of) its value in the future.

In the btcinvestment sector there is many different stock exchanges but there hasent been a high number of stocks that has been profitable to just buy & hold so what you possibly could do is do things like arbitrage between different exchanges for basically garanteed profit if done right.
Its also possible to lend out digital currency, safest would of cource be in cases where the borrower have security to offer you, one can also lend to out in unsecured loans on lending sites like btcjam witch has around 1000 activated loans per month.
Btcjam post some stat from time to time about the performance, some months ago they mentioned that the overall repayment rate was 87% and that the repayment rate for A rated borrower had been 98% during 2014.
If you would have invested evenly on all A rated borrowers loan you would have made 22-28% profit during 2014 accourding to btcjams official numbers depending on if you invested in normal BTC loans or USD tied loans. For B rated borrowers the numbers were 18,38%/4,12%, C rated 13,65%/-1,05% and so on.
Lending out btc in unsecured loans is of course risky just like any investment in the btcworld is but If your able to avoid most of the loans that dont get payed back or only gets partially payed back or your able to collect the missing payments throu collecting agencys/courtsystem in the borrowers country you could of couse do way better than those numbers to but its a learning process to get to know what loans to invest in and what loans/borrowers to avoid. If you decide to try it out i recommend that you start with a learning period of a few months where you only invest small amount and evaluate your result so you get better at screening loans before investing bigger. Something like 50%-100% yearly interest is surely possible to achieve as a lender on btcjam if your good at it.

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February 16, 2015, 09:20:43 PM
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How do I invest my Bitcoins?

I take my BTC and convert them to USD. Then I put them in a low-fee index fund. Done.

Seriously, don't "invest" any more than you're willing to lose and keep your standard of living. Play safe!

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February 16, 2015, 09:58:32 PM
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I invested 2 years ago on BTCJam, 0.05 BTC. Never saw it again.

I have some negligible altcoins on cryptostocks for fun. So far so good.
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February 17, 2015, 08:55:15 AM
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February 18, 2015, 10:12:51 AM
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Investing in Bitcoin right now is an especially risky thing many stocks are down. ASICMiner could still be an underdog, but even they are struggling. If you don't want to risk losing your total investment, just hold your coins, really!

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February 18, 2015, 11:49:22 AM
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An unfortunately expensive lesson i learned is that even if you can get 50% per year for an investment, its still better to have your coins in hand. Because if the investment goes wrong you have lost the coin. So holding instead investing is often the better investment decision.

Next thing is... never never never do investment decisions based on emotions. Its the same for trading. Its pretty much always the wrong thing. Only be rational and dont let you push because of time moving.

I think thats those are the most important things i learned expensively.

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February 18, 2015, 02:28:57 PM
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An unfortunately expensive lesson i learned is that even if you can get 50% per year for an investment, its still better to have your coins in hand. Because if the investment goes wrong you have lost the coin. So holding instead investing is often the better investment decision.

Next thing is... never never never do investment decisions based on emotions. Its the same for trading. Its pretty much always the wrong thing. Only be rational and dont let you push because of time moving.

I think thats those are the most important things i learned expensively.

Banks also do "investment" in form of loans to people. The reason that loans have a high payback 30-45% and more is because the bank knows from statistics that x% of the loans will not be paid back and they will lose it. They do a risk assessment and calculate how much % they should charge for loans so that they come out positive even if some loans remain unpaid.

Of course banks have much more experience, knowledge and data to make decision than a single individual (unless he/she works exactly with this).

As I said above, I have invested coins and lost them on the given site. However I have invested elsewhere too and made a profit there. In general I like to think that I made a profit.

So I think that if you know how to invest (e.g. not everything in one place) then investing could very well be a valid option.
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February 18, 2015, 08:18:11 PM
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An unfortunately expensive lesson i learned is that even if you can get 50% per year for an investment, its still better to have your coins in hand. Because if the investment goes wrong you have lost the coin. So holding instead investing is often the better investment decision.

Next thing is... never never never do investment decisions based on emotions. Its the same for trading. Its pretty much always the wrong thing. Only be rational and dont let you push because of time moving.

I think thats those are the most important things i learned expensively.

Banks also do "investment" in form of loans to people. The reason that loans have a high payback 30-45% and more is because the bank knows from statistics that x% of the loans will not be paid back and they will lose it. They do a risk assessment and calculate how much % they should charge for loans so that they come out positive even if some loans remain unpaid.

Of course banks have much more experience, knowledge and data to make decision than a single individual (unless he/she works exactly with this).

As I said above, I have invested coins and lost them on the given site. However I have invested elsewhere too and made a profit there. In general I like to think that I made a profit.

So I think that if you know how to invest (e.g. not everything in one place) then investing could very well be a valid option.

It is of course. But even when youre very sure, Bitcoin World is a very dangerous pool. If you check the amount of securities that go wrong then its astonishing. If they dont run scammy, they get hacked or the issuer is simply inept. If you invest in a number of things in the bitcoin area then the chance of losing everything is very high. Thats why i say that not investing is often the better investment since many many sure looking investments were driven to the wall too.

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February 18, 2015, 08:26:25 PM
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I look for good ideas and especially good people. They must have a legally registered business in the U.S., a business plan that demonstrates the financial solvency of the business, and are willing to sign a contract.
I would NEVER do business with less than these factors. Without them you do not have an investment at all. You have a promise from a kid on the internet. You need the legal backing to sue them if they scam you. Only a written contract is really useful in court.

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February 19, 2015, 02:33:57 AM
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Any professional crypto trading groups out there yet?  Would be nice to see a reputable one take hold.
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February 19, 2015, 11:59:29 AM
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Interestingly, dice sites and other Bitcoin gambling sites proved to be one of the few occurrences with an actually reliably positive EV. Unfortunately a lot turned out to be faulty (someone broke the bank), the operators ran away with the investors' money or some other stunt. Be very careful with small and unknown sites!

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February 24, 2015, 06:09:15 AM
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It would be nice if a large company like Coinbase crowdsourced their next investment series and allowed a decentralized way (Counterparty?) to allow for bitcoin investments. These investments could then be traded and paid interest on as a bond or dividends in a stock. It would be HUGE if coinbase was the first company to essentially sell bonds/stocks in a manner like this whether it be decentralized through counterparty or even centralized for now, a start is a start Smiley

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February 24, 2015, 06:48:21 PM
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How many sites are there still actually who offer securities, now Havelock is in its longest downtime so far? I do believe that they'll be back, complete with everyone's money, but that could be a nice opportunity to look left and right for alternatives! Smiley

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February 26, 2015, 01:20:09 AM
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I look for good ideas and especially good people. They must have a legally registered business in the U.S., a business plan that demonstrates the financial solvency of the business, and are willing to sign a contract.
I would NEVER do business with less than these factors. Without them you do not have an investment at all. You have a promise from a kid on the internet. You need the legal backing to sue them if they scam you. Only a written contract is really useful in court.

I have a federally incorporated Canadian corporation. I don't see a problem with incorporating a US corporation (if it MUST be in the US) and funding it, if you want to talk real money. We are an international real estate holding company. PM me if you're interested in some of our opportunities.
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February 26, 2015, 05:01:01 PM
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It would be nice if a large company like Coinbase crowdsourced their next investment series and allowed a decentralized way (Counterparty?) to allow for bitcoin investments. These investments could then be traded and paid interest on as a bond or dividends in a stock. It would be HUGE if coinbase was the first company to essentially sell bonds/stocks in a manner like this whether it be decentralized through counterparty or even centralized for now, a start is a start Smiley

That will never happen. They just closed funding at a $400mm valuation, the next time they raise funding will likely be through public means, on an actual exchange, I would guess NASDAQ. No real company will ever use Counterparty or NXT's exchange.
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March 02, 2015, 08:12:50 AM
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How many sites are there still actually who offer securities, now Havelock is in its longest downtime so far? I do believe that they'll be back, complete with everyone's money, but that could be a nice opportunity to look left and right for alternatives! Smiley
If you talk traditional bitcoin stockexchanges we have cryptostocks & coinsortium, then if one check under assets on coinmarketcap one can find a number of other platforms that stocks are listed on like Nxt, Counterparty, BitShares, Mastercoin (Omni) & Horizon, how those all work i dont know but i guess its described somewhere on the forum.

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