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July 03, 2012, 06:27:37 PM
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This is an open request to Maged, Theymos and the rest of the mods..

If you truly believe Pirate to be a scammer, then label him as much.  Show us the evidence just like you do with the other scammers.  Otherwise, you're just being a hypocrite and we shouldn't trust you anymore.

Edit: Thanks to whomever split this off, I had poor targeting.

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July 03, 2012, 06:40:17 PM
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Lastly, there is some sort of Pirate fan club going on here, where everyone else is bashed in a sort of group thinking, or alternatively sarcastic "jokes" are spammed to hide/annoy any critics. Reminds me of May/June 2011.
I knew that something was familiar here, but I just couldn't put my finger on it. Thanks!

This is an open request to Maged, Theymos and the rest of the mods..

If you truly believe Pirate to be a scammer, then label him as much.  Show us the evidence just like you do with the other scammers.  Otherwise, you're just being a hypocrite and we shouldn't trust you anymore.
No. It is almost impossible to get a scammer tag here unless you've actually completed a scam against someone. Pirate hasn't (yet).

You don't need to trust me, but you should trust the tag. Scammer tags have to be approved by at least one trusted member and an administrator.

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July 03, 2012, 06:41:21 PM
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Lastly, there is some sort of Pirate fan club going on here, where everyone else is bashed in a sort of group thinking, or alternatively sarcastic "jokes" are spammed to hide/annoy any critics. Reminds me of May/June 2011.
I knew that something was familiar here, but I just couldn't put my finger on it. Thanks!

This is an open request to Maged, Theymos and the rest of the mods..

If you truly believe Pirate to be a scammer, then label him as much.  Show us the evidence just like you do with the other scammers.  Otherwise, you're just being a hypocrite and we shouldn't trust you anymore.
No. It is almost impossible to get a scammer tag here unless you've actually completed a scam against someone. Pirate hasn't (yet).

You don't need to trust me, but you should trust the tag. Scammer tags have to be approved by at least one trusted member and an administrator.

Having the moderators going around saying "I think this is bad" but not actually doing anything is a bunch of crap.  Stand behind what you say or don't say it.

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July 03, 2012, 06:43:55 PM
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Moderator = moderating posts

Moderator != Judge/Jury/Executioner!

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July 03, 2012, 06:45:23 PM
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Having the moderators going around saying "I think this is bad" but not actually doing anything is a bunch of crap.  Stand behind what you say or don't say it.
Why would you be saying that?
The only thing I can think of is that after Pirate gets a scammer tag, it could lower the number of deposits, and put the interests rates back up... right? Smiley

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July 03, 2012, 06:46:35 PM
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Having the moderators going around saying "I think this is bad" but not actually doing anything is a bunch of crap.  Stand behind what you say or don't say it.
Why would you be saying that?
The only thing I can think of is that after Pirate gets a scammer tag, it could lower the number of deposits, and put the interests rates back up... right? Smiley

More like I don't like character assassination. 

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July 03, 2012, 06:46:48 PM
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It is absolutely impossible for moderators to prove that this is a scam, only law enforcement could possibly do that. There is reason to have strong suspicions, but to apply the scammer tag on someone who could even remotely possibly be honest is wrong. Innocent until proven guilty.

There is no proof, only evidence.

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July 03, 2012, 06:46:55 PM
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Lastly, there is some sort of Pirate fan club going on here, where everyone else is bashed in a sort of group thinking, or alternatively sarcastic "jokes" are spammed to hide/annoy any critics. Reminds me of May/June 2011.
I knew that something was familiar here, but I just couldn't put my finger on it. Thanks!

This is an open request to Maged, Theymos and the rest of the mods..

If you truly believe Pirate to be a scammer, then label him as much.  Show us the evidence just like you do with the other scammers.  Otherwise, you're just being a hypocrite and we shouldn't trust you anymore.
No. It is almost impossible to get a scammer tag here unless you've actually completed a scam against someone. Pirate hasn't (yet).

You don't need to trust me, but you should trust the tag. Scammer tags have to be approved by at least one trusted member and an administrator.

Having the moderators going around saying "I think this is bad" but not actually doing anything is a bunch of crap.  Stand behind what you say or don't say it.
I wasn't speaking as a moderator -- I was speaking as someone who doesn't like how big this has grown. I apologize if you were confused. If I was speaking as a moderator, you wouldn't publicly see my opinion on the matter until the case was decided one way or the other.

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July 03, 2012, 06:48:54 PM
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It is absolutely impossible for moderators to prove that this is a scam, only law enforcement could possibly do that. There is reason to have strong suspicions, but to apply the scammer tag on someone who could even remotely possibly be honest is wrong. Innocent until proven guilty.

There is no proof, only evidence.

Then make a suspected tag.  If a moderator feels that strongly about someone that they have to say negative things about them, they should be doing something about it.  Otherwise, they're just trolling like the other trolls.

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July 03, 2012, 06:49:19 PM
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Having the moderators going around saying "I think this is bad" but not actually doing anything is a bunch of crap.  Stand behind what you say or don't say it.
Why would you be saying that?
The only thing I can think of is that after Pirate gets a scammer tag, it could lower the number of deposits, and put the interests rates back up... right? Smiley

More like I don't like character assassination. 
But you are encouraging it. I mean, in a way..

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July 03, 2012, 06:50:40 PM
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I wasn't speaking as a moderator -- I was speaking as someone who doesn't like how big this has grown. I apologize if you were confused. If I was speaking as a moderator, you wouldn't publicly see my opinion on the matter until the case was decided one way or the other.

That's just it, unless you use another account, you don't get to speak as a normal user.  Every one of your posts has your title by it.  It's like Barrack Obama saying something as a person vs as President of the United States while out in public.  He just doesn't have that luxury while he carries the title.

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July 03, 2012, 07:03:55 PM
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It is absolutely impossible for moderators to prove that this is a scam, only law enforcement could possibly do that. There is reason to have strong suspicions, but to apply the scammer tag on someone who could even remotely possibly be honest is wrong. Innocent until proven guilty.

There is no proof, only evidence.

Then make a suspected tag.  If a moderator feels that strongly about someone that they have to say negative things about them, they should be doing something about it.  Otherwise, they're just trolling like the other trolls.
I've requested that we make such a tag in the past. Nothing happened with it, though.

I wasn't speaking as a moderator -- I was speaking as someone who doesn't like how big this has grown. I apologize if you were confused. If I was speaking as a moderator, you wouldn't publicly see my opinion on the matter until the case was decided one way or the other.

That's just it, unless you use another account, you don't get to speak as a normal user.  Every one of your posts has your title by it.  It's like Barrack Obama saying something as a person vs as President of the United States while out in public.  He just doesn't have that luxury while he carries the title.
My answer to this will be one name: Trayvon Martin.

If you want to continue arguing about whether or not a mod should comment on something like this, bring it to Meta. Also, if you're going to complain about someone on the staff commenting on such matters, please also complain about Psy. As least his post was reported.

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July 03, 2012, 07:09:52 PM
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It is absolutely impossible for moderators to prove that this is a scam, only law enforcement could possibly do that. There is reason to have strong suspicions, but to apply the scammer tag on someone who could even remotely possibly be honest is wrong. Innocent until proven guilty.

There is no proof, only evidence.

Then make a suspected tag.  If a moderator feels that strongly about someone that they have to say negative things about them, they should be doing something about it.  Otherwise, they're just trolling like the other trolls.
I've requested that we make such a tag in the past. Nothing happened with it, though.

I wasn't speaking as a moderator -- I was speaking as someone who doesn't like how big this has grown. I apologize if you were confused. If I was speaking as a moderator, you wouldn't publicly see my opinion on the matter until the case was decided one way or the other.

That's just it, unless you use another account, you don't get to speak as a normal user.  Every one of your posts has your title by it.  It's like Barrack Obama saying something as a person vs as President of the United States while out in public.  He just doesn't have that luxury while he carries the title.
My answer to this will be one name: Trayvon Martin.

If you want to continue arguing about whether or not a mod should comment on something like this, bring it to Meta. Also, if you're going to complain about someone on the staff commenting on such matters, please also complain about Psy. As least his post was reported.

You're right, you should split these off and unclutter pirate's post a bit.  I've done a decent job of trolling it.

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July 03, 2012, 07:10:46 PM
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Lastly, there is some sort of Pirate fan club going on here, where everyone else is bashed in a sort of group thinking, or alternatively sarcastic "jokes" are spammed to hide/annoy any critics. Reminds me of May/June 2011.
I knew that something was familiar here, but I just couldn't put my finger on it. Thanks!

This is an open request to Maged, Theymos and the rest of the mods..

If you truly believe Pirate to be a scammer, then label him as much.  Show us the evidence just like you do with the other scammers.  Otherwise, you're just being a hypocrite and we shouldn't trust you anymore.
No. It is almost impossible to get a scammer tag here unless you've actually completed a scam against someone. Pirate hasn't (yet).

You don't need to trust me, but you should trust the tag. Scammer tags have to be approved by at least one trusted member and an administrator.

Having the moderators going around saying "I think this is bad" but not actually doing anything is a bunch of crap.  Stand behind what you say or don't say it.

I haven't seen any Moderator speaking as a Moderator. So far I've only see normal, personal posts. Are you trying to say Moderators can't have an opinion and speak freely about the things they believe, or don't believe?
That wasn't what I was told when i accepted the job, or else I wouldn't have accepted it.

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July 03, 2012, 07:20:04 PM
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You're right, you should split these off and unclutter pirate's post a bit.  I've done a decent job of trolling it.
Done. Rename it whatever you want.

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July 03, 2012, 07:20:59 PM
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I haven't seen any Moderator speaking as a Moderator. So far I've only see normal, personal posts. Are you trying to say Moderators can't have an opinion and speak freely about the things they believe, or don't believe?
That wasn't what I was told when i accepted the job, or else I wouldn't have accepted it.

What I'm saying is that you should have a personal account that you use for personal opinions and statements and you have a business account that you use for business opinions and statements.  I am not saying you aren't entitled to a personal opinion.

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July 03, 2012, 07:40:49 PM
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I don't require moderators to pledge an oath of neutrality in all forum discussions. Smiley Moderators will not censor themselves. I'll express my opinions freely, and I expect other moderators (and other members) to do the same.

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July 03, 2012, 08:16:44 PM
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I don't require moderators to pledge an oath of neutrality in all forum discussions. Smiley Moderators will not censor themselves. I'll express my opinions freely, and I expect other moderators (and other members) to do the same.
+1, this is the way I would expect any moderator to act.

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July 03, 2012, 08:20:23 PM
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Why would you trust a forum status? What you need to do is use the Web of Trust and look back on the history of the member you are dealing with... If it looks sketchy don't use'em. If there is no reason not to trust him with the level of money involved then try it out..... No need to create a thread to spread some kind of bias-virus around the forums
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July 03, 2012, 11:19:09 PM
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Labelling someone without proof based on a "feeling" is not how to operate. If you label him I hope he sues the owner of the forum  for defamation which is dangerously close to what you are suggesting.

Innocent untill proven guilty is how civilised people operate.

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