How Arizona is Keeping the World Free!

[username18333]

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You think an American [permitted to man a Trident submarine], et al crew would [not] just [follow orders and] blindly fire a nuke, [having] realiz[ed] the targeting coordinates in the order they authenticated are their own [now enemy] soil? It would be the stuff of fiction or conspiracy to think their computers would be ["]hacked["] [by any other than the American "intelligence community"] to make them think they were nuking somewhere else in the world (and even then, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SehIzNDA5pA )

I'm fairly sure he or she would fire on "domestic [withheld] threats."

This is the reason why the Power Elite need to move their base of operations to other countries. I mean their technology producing and maintaining base. The U.S. still produces too much of the technology and hardware that they use. If some other country had the ability to support the technology and manufacture of military machines the same way the U.S. does, the Power Elite would cause us to be nuked in a moment. As it is now, they would be cutting off their own supply lines.

Watch for nuking of Phoenix, Arizona. Phoenix doesn't really supply anything that can't be supplied elsewhere in the U.S.  Even the Apache helicopters could be assembled elsewhere. If they nuked Phoenix, not only would they get some test results, they would also remove the strength of the most gun-free State in America. So, they would benefit all around.



EDIT: And, they would have the benefit of an excuse for martial law around the whole nation... kinda like a big 9/11.

A gilded cage is only useful when it isn't perceived as such. When it is, the gilding is just a needless expense.

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[BADecker]

. . .

You think an American [permitted to man a Trident submarine], et al crew would [not] just [follow orders and] blindly fire a nuke, [having] realiz[ed] the targeting coordinates in the order they authenticated are their own [now enemy] soil? It would be the stuff of fiction or conspiracy to think their computers would be ["]hacked["] [by any other than the American "intelligence community"] to make them think they were nuking somewhere else in the world (and even then, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SehIzNDA5pA )

I'm fairly sure he or she would fire on "domestic [withheld] threats."

This is the reason why the Power Elite need to move their base of operations to other countries. I mean their technology producing and maintaining base. The U.S. still produces too much of the technology and hardware that they use. If some other country had the ability to support the technology and manufacture of military machines the same way the U.S. does, the Power Elite would cause us to be nuked in a moment. As it is now, they would be cutting off their own supply lines.

Watch for nuking of Phoenix, Arizona. Phoenix doesn't really supply anything that can't be supplied elsewhere in the U.S.  Even the Apache helicopters could be assembled elsewhere. If they nuked Phoenix, not only would they get some test results, they would also remove the strength of the most gun-free State in America. So, they would benefit all around.



EDIT: And, they would have the benefit of an excuse for martial law around the whole nation... kinda like a big 9/11.

A gilded cage is only useful when it isn't perceived as such. When it is, the gilding is just a needless expense.

Thank you for your confirmation. 

[username18333]

. . .

You think an American [permitted to man a Trident submarine], et al crew would [not] just [follow orders and] blindly fire a nuke, [having] realiz[ed] the targeting coordinates in the order they authenticated are their own [now enemy] soil? It would be the stuff of fiction or conspiracy to think their computers would be ["]hacked["] [by any other than the American "intelligence community"] to make them think they were nuking somewhere else in the world (and even then, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SehIzNDA5pA )

I'm fairly sure he or she would fire on "domestic [withheld] threats."

This is the reason why the Power Elite need to move their base of operations to other countries. I mean their technology producing and maintaining base. The U.S. still produces too much of the technology and hardware that they use. If some other country had the ability to support the technology and manufacture of military machines the same way the U.S. does, the Power Elite would cause us to be nuked in a moment. As it is now, they would be cutting off their own supply lines.

Watch for nuking of Phoenix, Arizona. Phoenix doesn't really supply anything that can't be supplied elsewhere in the U.S.  Even the Apache helicopters could be assembled elsewhere. If they nuked Phoenix, not only would they get some test results, they would also remove the strength of the most gun-free State in America. So, they would benefit all around.



EDIT: And, they would have the benefit of an excuse for martial law around the whole nation... kinda like a big 9/11.

A gilded cage is only useful when it isn't perceived as such. When it is, the gilding is just a needless expense.

Thank you for your confirmation.  

You don't seem to understand: "the rule of law" (as opposed to, say, "the rule of force") is part of that cage.

[BADecker]

. . .

You think an American [permitted to man a Trident submarine], et al crew would [not] just [follow orders and] blindly fire a nuke, [having] realiz[ed] the targeting coordinates in the order they authenticated are their own [now enemy] soil? It would be the stuff of fiction or conspiracy to think their computers would be ["]hacked["] [by any other than the American "intelligence community"] to make them think they were nuking somewhere else in the world (and even then, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SehIzNDA5pA )

I'm fairly sure he or she would fire on "domestic [withheld] threats."

This is the reason why the Power Elite need to move their base of operations to other countries. I mean their technology producing and maintaining base. The U.S. still produces too much of the technology and hardware that they use. If some other country had the ability to support the technology and manufacture of military machines the same way the U.S. does, the Power Elite would cause us to be nuked in a moment. As it is now, they would be cutting off their own supply lines.

Watch for nuking of Phoenix, Arizona. Phoenix doesn't really supply anything that can't be supplied elsewhere in the U.S.  Even the Apache helicopters could be assembled elsewhere. If they nuked Phoenix, not only would they get some test results, they would also remove the strength of the most gun-free State in America. So, they would benefit all around.



EDIT: And, they would have the benefit of an excuse for martial law around the whole nation... kinda like a big 9/11.

A gilded cage is only useful when it isn't perceived as such. When it is, the gilding is just a needless expense.

Thank you for your confirmation.  

You don't seem to understand: "the rule of law" (as opposed to, say, "the rule of force") is part of that cage.

All right. I'll admit that I don't know what you are getting at. 

[username18333]

. . .

This is the reason why the Power Elite need to move their base of operations to other countries. I mean their technology producing and maintaining base. The U.S. still produces too much of the technology and hardware that they use. If some other country had the ability to support the technology and manufacture of military machines the same way the U.S. does, the Power Elite would cause us to be nuked in a moment. As it is now, they would be cutting off their own supply lines.

Watch for nuking of Phoenix, Arizona. Phoenix doesn't really supply anything that can't be supplied elsewhere in the U.S.  Even the Apache helicopters could be assembled elsewhere. If they nuked Phoenix, not only would they get some test results, they would also remove the strength of the most gun-free State in America. So, they would benefit all around.



EDIT: And, they would have the benefit of an excuse for martial law around the whole nation... kinda like a big 9/11.

A gilded cage is only useful when it isn't perceived as such. When it is, the gilding is just a needless expense.

Thank you for your confirmation.  

You don't seem to understand: "the rule of law" (as opposed to, say, "the rule of force") is part of that cage.

All right. I'll admit that I don't know what you are getting at.  

Kant on anarchy

The German philosopher Immanuel Kant treated anarchy in his Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View as consisting of "Law and Freedom without Force". Thus, for Kant, anarchy falls short of being a true civil state because the law is only an "empty recommendation" if force is not included to make this law efficacious. For there to be such a state, force must be included while law and freedom are maintained, a state which Kant calls republic.[3][4]

As summary Kant named four kinds of government:
1. Law and freedom without force (anarchy).
2. Law and force without freedom (despotism).
3. Force without freedom and law (barbarism).
4. Force with freedom and law (republic).

(Red colorization mine.)

Note the balance which, by Kant's definitions above, Great Empire of Earth, an imperial anarchist despotism, strikes.

[BADecker]

. . .

This is the reason why the Power Elite need to move their base of operations to other countries. I mean their technology producing and maintaining base. The U.S. still produces too much of the technology and hardware that they use. If some other country had the ability to support the technology and manufacture of military machines the same way the U.S. does, the Power Elite would cause us to be nuked in a moment. As it is now, they would be cutting off their own supply lines.

Watch for nuking of Phoenix, Arizona. Phoenix doesn't really supply anything that can't be supplied elsewhere in the U.S.  Even the Apache helicopters could be assembled elsewhere. If they nuked Phoenix, not only would they get some test results, they would also remove the strength of the most gun-free State in America. So, they would benefit all around.



EDIT: And, they would have the benefit of an excuse for martial law around the whole nation... kinda like a big 9/11.

A gilded cage is only useful when it isn't perceived as such. When it is, the gilding is just a needless expense.

Thank you for your confirmation.  

You don't seem to understand: "the rule of law" (as opposed to, say, "the rule of force") is part of that cage.

All right. I'll admit that I don't know what you are getting at.  

Kant on anarchy

The German philosopher Immanuel Kant treated anarchy in his Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View as consisting of "Law and Freedom without Force". Thus, for Kant, anarchy falls short of being a true civil state because the law is only an "empty recommendation" if force is not included to make this law efficacious. For there to be such a state, force must be included while law and freedom are maintained, a state which Kant calls republic.[3][4]

As summary Kant named four kinds of government:
1. Law and freedom without force (anarchy).
2. Law and force without freedom (despotism).
3. Force without freedom and law (barbarism).
4. Force with freedom and law (republic).

(Red colorization mine.)

If the nation of Israel had not asked for the detailed laws that they asked for at the time that God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, there would have been a government installed that would have been the absolute best.

1. Freedom in every way except for one person harming another or damaging his property.
2. Judges that did one thing, judge the harm/damage lawsuits.
3. A method for removing judges for corruption.

The only other thing that would have been added would have been methods to honor God.

Because the people asked for it (though they didn't really understand what they were asking for), God gave them the detailed laws that He did. They received top-notch laws, the best that there are. And these laws were even adapted to their standards of living in many ways.

The four you have referenced don't really cover this form.

[TheButterZone]

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How would they know who they’re actually attacking?  

You think an American [permitted to man a Trident submarine], et al crew would [not] just [follow orders and] blindly fire a nuke, [having] realiz[ed] the targeting coordinates in the order they authenticated are their own [now enemy] soil? It would be the stuff of fiction or conspiracy to think their computers would be ["]hacked["] [by any other than the American "intelligence community"] to make them think they were nuking somewhere else in the world (and even then, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SehIzNDA5pA )

I'm fairly sure he or she would fire on "domestic [withheld] threats."

A 155 person crew would fire upon their own blood, right.

Watch for nuking of Phoenix, Arizona. Phoenix doesn't really supply anything that can't be supplied elsewhere in the U.S.  Even the Apache helicopters could be assembled elsewhere. If they nuked Phoenix, not only would they get some test results, they would also remove the strength of the most gun-free State in America. So, they would benefit all around.

I think the US finished nuking its own military a few decades ago. If all Trident sub crews were miraculously cleansed of the possibility of mutiny, look for an evacuation of http://www.luke.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=5047 personnel and families in the Phoenix metro area and/or a military coup. Phoenix also has Criminals Unionists in the government and general public that would need to be evacuated too. Oh, and everyone in southern California, Tucson, and ABQ, when http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Verde_Nuclear_Generating_Station starts to meltdown.

[BADecker]

Watch for nuking of Phoenix, Arizona. Phoenix doesn't really supply anything that can't be supplied elsewhere in the U.S.  Even the Apache helicopters could be assembled elsewhere. If they nuked Phoenix, not only would they get some test results, they would also remove the strength of the most gun-free State in America. So, they would benefit all around.

I think the US finished nuking its own military a few decades ago. If all Trident sub crews were miraculously cleansed of the possibility of mutiny, look for an evacuation of http://www.luke.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=5047 personnel and families in the Phoenix metro area and/or a military coup. Phoenix also has Criminals Unionists in the government and general public that would need to be evacuated too.

Still, it's probably not wise of me to give them any ideas.   

[username18333]

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Kant on anarchy

The German philosopher Immanuel Kant treated anarchy in his Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View as consisting of "Law and Freedom without Force". Thus, for Kant, anarchy falls short of being a true civil state because the law is only an "empty recommendation" if force is not included to make this law efficacious. For there to be such a state, force must be included while law and freedom are maintained, a state which Kant calls republic.[3][4]

As summary Kant named four kinds of government:
1. Law and freedom without force (anarchy).
2. Law and force without freedom (despotism).
3. Force without freedom and law (barbarism).
4. Force with freedom and law (republic).

(Red colorization mine.)

Note the balance which, by Kant's definitions above, Great Empire of Earth, an imperial anarchist despotism, strikes.

If the nation of Israel had not asked for the detailed laws that they asked for at the time that God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, there would have been a government installed that would have been the absolute best.

1. Freedom in every way except for one person harming another or damaging his property.
2. Judges that did one thing, judge the harm/damage lawsuits.
3. A method for removing judges for corruption.

The only other thing that would have been added would have been methods to honor God.

Because the people asked for it (though they didn't really understand what they were asking for), God gave them the detailed laws that He did. They received top-notch laws, the best that there are. And these laws were even adapted to their standards of living in many ways.

The four you have referenced don't really cover this form.

That would have been force constrained by freedom and law (a republic). What they asked for was law and force that didn't allow for the freedom I made reference to elsewhere (a despotism).

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“Freedom” manifests itself within a bacterium as the random activation of its functions for the entropy of its molecules. Why would the “freedom” of a Homo sapiens sapiens be any different?

[BADecker]

. . .

Kant on anarchy

The German philosopher Immanuel Kant treated anarchy in his Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View as consisting of "Law and Freedom without Force". Thus, for Kant, anarchy falls short of being a true civil state because the law is only an "empty recommendation" if force is not included to make this law efficacious. For there to be such a state, force must be included while law and freedom are maintained, a state which Kant calls republic.[3][4]

As summary Kant named four kinds of government:
1. Law and freedom without force (anarchy).
2. Law and force without freedom (despotism).
3. Force without freedom and law (barbarism).
4. Force with freedom and law (republic).

(Red colorization mine.)

Note the balance which, by Kant's definitions above, Great Empire of Earth, an imperial anarchist despotism, strikes.

If the nation of Israel had not asked for the detailed laws that they asked for at the time that God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, there would have been a government installed that would have been the absolute best.

1. Freedom in every way except for one person harming another or damaging his property.
2. Judges that did one thing, judge the harm/damage lawsuits.
3. A method for removing judges for corruption.

The only other thing that would have been added would have been methods to honor God.

Because the people asked for it (though they didn't really understand what they were asking for), God gave them the detailed laws that He did. They received top-notch laws, the best that there are. And these laws were even adapted to their standards of living in many ways.

The four you have referenced don't really cover this form.

That would have been force constrained by freedom and law (a republic). What they asked for was law and force that didn't allow for the freedom I made reference to elsewhere (a despotism).

When you consider the constraints on everything according to the laws of nature, the freedom before they asked for the detailed laws would have been much better for them. If they had not asked for those detailed laws, Israel may not have fallen as a nation ever. It might have wound up being the ruling world nation today. Things would have been different.

[username18333]

. . .

Kant on anarchy

The German philosopher Immanuel Kant treated anarchy in his Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View as consisting of "Law and Freedom without Force". Thus, for Kant, anarchy falls short of being a true civil state because the law is only an "empty recommendation" if force is not included to make this law efficacious. For there to be such a state, force must be included while law and freedom are maintained, a state which Kant calls republic.[3][4]

As summary Kant named four kinds of government:
1. Law and freedom without force (anarchy).
2. Law and force without freedom (despotism).
3. Force without freedom and law (barbarism).
4. Force with freedom and law (republic).

(Red colorization mine.)

Note the balance which, by Kant's definitions above, Great Empire of Earth, an imperial anarchist despotism, strikes.

If the nation of Israel had not asked for the detailed laws that they asked for at the time that God gave Moses the Ten Commandments, there would have been a government installed that would have been the absolute best.

1. Freedom in every way except for one person harming another or damaging his property.
2. Judges that did one thing, judge the harm/damage lawsuits.
3. A method for removing judges for corruption.

The only other thing that would have been added would have been methods to honor God.

Because the people asked for it (though they didn't really understand what they were asking for), God gave them the detailed laws that He did. They received top-notch laws, the best that there are. And these laws were even adapted to their standards of living in many ways.

The four you have referenced don't really cover this form.

That would have been force constrained by freedom and law (a republic). What they asked for was law and force that didn't allow for the freedom I made reference to elsewhere (a despotism).

. . .

“Freedom” manifests itself within a bacterium as the random activation of its functions for the entropy of its molecules. Why would the “freedom” of a Homo sapiens sapiens be any different?

When you consider the constraints on everything according to the laws of nature, the freedom before they asked for the detailed laws would have been much better for them. If they had not asked for those detailed laws, Israel may not have fallen as a nation ever. It might have wound up being the ruling world nation today. Things would have been different.

No, for, as we see now, a republic can (and will?) evolve into "[f]orce without freedom and law (barbarism)" (Wikipedia).

[BADecker]

From Daniel in the Old Testament:

Daniel replied, “No wise man, enchanter, magician or diviner can explain to the king the mystery he has asked about, but there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries. He has shown King Nebuchadnezzar what will happen in days to come. Your dream and the visions that passed through your mind as you lay on your bed are these:

“As you were lying there, O king, your mind turned to things to come, and the revealer of mysteries showed you what is going to happen. As for me, this mystery has been revealed to me, not because I have greater wisdom than other living men, but so that you, O king, may know the interpretation and that you may understand what went through your mind.

“You looked, O king, and there before you stood a large statue—an enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance. The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were broken to pieces at the same time and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.

“This was the dream, and now we will interpret it to the king. You, O king, are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you dominion and power and might and glory; in your hands he has placed mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold.

“After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth. Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

“In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.

“The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy.”

[Bit_Happy]

"John Sidney McCain III is the senior United States Senator from Arizona"
^^^Yes!
Nothing quite cries FREEDOM, like knowing John McWar is your Senator.

Arizona is a gun State. The people can have guns....

Pot is still illegal in AZ, and your call that freedom?  

<Back on topic>
Glad to hear that some important freedoms are legal in AZ.

[username18333]

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And hee shall plant the tabernacles of his palace betweene the seas in the glorious holy mountaine, yet he shall come to his end, and none shall helpe him.

The International Space Station (ISS), capital district of Great Empire of Earth.

[BADecker]

"John Sidney McCain III is the senior United States Senator from Arizona"
^^^Yes!
Nothing quite cries FREEDOM, like knowing John McWar is your Senator.

Arizona is a gun State. The people can have guns....

Pot is still illegal in AZ, and your call that freedom?  

<Back on topic>
Glad to hear that some important freedoms are legal in AZ.

Arizona manufactures Apache war helicopters.

Gun strength in Arizona helps to maintain freedom strength in any of the States that decide they want pot freedom.

Take a look at the info in the links listed at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=916456.msg10079836#msg10079836, and see that government's determination of illegality about anything doesn't apply to you except if you are in government, or if you want it to. In particular, watch the 10 videos at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D.

[Bit_Happy]

"John Sidney McCain III is the senior United States Senator from Arizona"
^^^Yes!
Nothing quite cries FREEDOM, like knowing John McWar is your Senator.

Arizona is a gun State. The people can have guns....

Pot is still illegal in AZ, and your call that freedom?  

<Back on topic>
Glad to hear that some important freedoms are legal in AZ.

Arizona manufactures Apache war helicopters.

Gun strength in Arizona helps to maintain freedom strength in any of the States that decide they want pot freedom.

Take a look at the info in the links listed at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=916456.msg10079836#msg10079836, and see that government's determination of illegality about anything doesn't apply to you except if you are in government, or if you want it to. In particular, watch the 10 videos at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D.

I read this link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=916456.msg10079836#msg10079836
and will find time for some video later, thanks.

My "premature" response is that "the right to contract into and out of government" (for example) doesn't work in the real world, since the courts ignore or improperly interpret the Constitution. It is a very worthwhile effort to find things that will work in modern courts.

[BADecker]

"John Sidney McCain III is the senior United States Senator from Arizona"
^^^Yes!
Nothing quite cries FREEDOM, like knowing John McWar is your Senator.

Arizona is a gun State. The people can have guns....

Pot is still illegal in AZ, and your call that freedom?  

<Back on topic>
Glad to hear that some important freedoms are legal in AZ.

Arizona manufactures Apache war helicopters.

Gun strength in Arizona helps to maintain freedom strength in any of the States that decide they want pot freedom.

Take a look at the info in the links listed at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=916456.msg10079836#msg10079836, and see that government's determination of illegality about anything doesn't apply to you except if you are in government, or if you want it to. In particular, watch the 10 videos at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D.

I read this link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=916456.msg10079836#msg10079836
and will find time for some video later, thanks.

My "premature" response is that "the right to contract into and out of government" (for example) doesn't work in the real world, since the courts ignore or improperly interpret the Constitution. It is a very worthwhile effort to find things that will work in modern courts.

The courts are made up of people. These people can effectively be litigated against when they harm you by trampling on your rights. It is in the law. The methods you use might be difficult to implement. You might have to be "tricky." But it can be done one way or another. Why? Because they use the same methods all the time.

[BADecker]

Why they are going to nuke Phoenix: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=918862.msg10095052#msg10095052.

[mladen00]

Arizona is a gun State. The people can have guns.

The people of Arizona, or all who enter Arizona, have the right to open carry throughout the State. This means that anybody and everybody can wear a pistol right out in the open, in a belt holster, in a shoulder holster, or any holstered way he wants. Rifles or shotguns can be carried over the shoulder using standard carrying straps... right out in the open.

Anybody in Arizona has the right to have a concealed gun without a permit. If you are in Arizona visiting from somewhere else in the world, you can conceal an armed and loaded gun on your person - under your shirt, in your pant's pocket, etc. - without needing a permit.

Very few, if any, governments in modern, populated places in the world allow the public of their country, state or province to do this. In fact, most (if not all) of the other States in the United States require a permit for concealed carry. If you know of a region or area in the world, that allows Arizona style gun freedom, please post which region that is.

There are some places in Africa where guns are allow, even though the areas are populous. Mostly it's because the people are so poor that they can't afford guns. So there haven't really been any strict gun laws enacted, or the particular government isn't strong enough to enforce any gun laws. Other than that, the only gun freedom areas of the world are places where there is almost no population at all. If you know of areas that are free to open or conceal carry no permit, please list them.

Governments are notorious in their attempts to disarm their own citizens. To see this, simply look at Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia, Pol Pot in Cambodia, Ho Chi Minh in Viet Nam, Mao Tse-tung in China, and other dictators around the world, including how common people in the United States often "execute" their unarmed, unborn babies. People without guns are essentially slaves of those that do have guns.

Nowadays people all over the world are being limited by their governments with regard to the kinds of guns, how many, and how and when they can carry them. Personally, I think that if the populations of the world had no guns, the U.N. and the individual governments of the world would step in and make the people into formal slaves, slaves under as harsh treatment or worse as those in Northwestern Africa.

Now, how does Arizona with its gun freedom keep the whole world free?
Here's how.

Governments of the world are attempting to take the guns away from all their own citizens. They want to do it to enslave their citizens. But they can't. And the reason that they can't is Arizona gun freedom. If the governments of the world made slaves of their gun-less populations, Arizona would see, the whole U.S. would see, and the whole world would see.

What would the world see? They would see that the bearing of arms, the carrying of guns, and even the threat of gun-carry by the populace is where the freedom is. Arizona and the world that still had guns would NEVER give up their guns once they saw this. The anti-gun drive of the governments of the world would fail miserably, and they know it. As long as Arizona has gun freedom, the governments don't dare to push too hard, lest they lose it all. Arizona is keeping the world free.

Arizona is free because the Arizona government knows that the population of Arizona would take the government down in a minute if the government tried to make slaves of the people of Arizona. How would the gun-toting population of Arizona take their own government down if their government tried to make slaves of them? They would do it with their guns.

However, if you go to Arizona with the idea that you are going to be free to use your guns in ways that harm or damage other people, you will find out that Arizona gun laws are extremely strict against people using their guns for criminal activity. Guns save lives, in every way, if done correctly.

http://gunlaws.com/

You're slaves in USA
If they (USA, NVO) need they will put whole state in some camp

[BADecker]

You're slaves in USA
If they (USA, NVO) need they will put whole state in some camp

That's the trick. How do we put Arizona into camps without disrupting our economy flow? After all, America is the place where a lot of technology and manufacturing comes from. It is the people who support the banking system, simply by using the U.S. dollar. What would the rest of the American people think if a fellow State was placed into concentration camps? It would disrupt the flow of fiat. Nobody wants to make those kinds of waves... at least not until they are very ready.