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January 10, 2015, 06:11:36 AM
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Seriously who is going to implement the regulations to control and stop further transactions coming from the wallet? The whole community which so big has to agree and come to consensus with at least a majority accepting the idea. Even if this becomes a reality, it simply takes away accountability factor by the owner to take appropriate steps to secure and make every way possible to care for their fund.

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January 10, 2015, 04:19:44 PM
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maybe im missing some aspect here (very likely considering my tech knowledge depth of btc;),

Almost certainly.
Mostly certain...

but in theory couldnt btc devs impliment an update for the blockchain to have a wallet lockout feature?

No.  There is no way to force the thief to use the wallet created by the devs.  The thief could just create their own wallet software.
Not talking about a wallet specifically created by the devs, but wondering if theres some kind of 'access function / channel' that all/any wallets use to utilize the blockchain (or could it be created)?
ie in theory therefore all/any wallet could be 'blocked out' and so essentially frozen (reminder: im asking about technical possibilities here, not asserting anything)

so say if bitstamp call up the btc wallet police

Huh

I don't think there is such a thing as a "BTC Wallet Police".
Correct, its a hypothetical (reminder: im asking about tech possibilities here, not asserting anything)!

and say: all my coins are being stolen and going to address x, then that address is blocked out from interacting with the bchain until such a time as the wallet holder can be caught? basically freezing assets as they do in the fiat world?

And if I get angry at you, can I call up "the bitcoin police" and lie and say "all my coins are stolen and have gone to your_addresses_here", and then they can freeze your funds without your permission? 
Correct! Id then subsequently contact the (hypothetical) police, clear my name and my wallet then regain 'access' to the blockchain (reminder: im not asking about the rights and wrongs of such a hypothetical scenario and its logisitcs, just asking about technical possibilities)

not talking about tagging the coins themselves directly (or looking to get into discussing the morals of the logisitc here; who would police the police etc), but interested in knowing if its technically possible to 'ban' a wallet per se.

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Not without the consensus of all the users, and you aren't going to get that.

Great! that seems to be the answer i was waiting for: yes its technically possible, but requires community consensus... right?

 

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January 10, 2015, 09:59:55 PM
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Not without the consensus of all the users, and you aren't going to get that.
Great! that seems to be the answer i was waiting for: yes its technically possible, but requires community consensus... right?

Correct.

Bitcoin is built on the consensus of the users.  If you can get 100% of the users to agree to some protocol change, then you can make the change.  The further you get from 100% the less possible it is to implement a change.

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January 10, 2015, 10:02:49 PM
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Someone already built website that marks some coins as "bad", but to make it work all bitcoin merchants would have to follow its decision.
Not to mention it would undermine the core idea of bitcoin - it wouldn't be longer decentralised, that person/ organization which decide that some coins are "bad" would work like central bank.
Bitcoins should be treated similar to gold, there is no "bad" gold as long it's real, pure gold  Cool
What if a guy comes up to you selling gold with blood all over it from the house he just robbed and family he murdered inside. Is that gold bad then?

I see nothing wrong with trying to track bitcoin thefts.
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January 11, 2015, 03:35:26 AM
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What if a guy comes up to you selling gold with blood all over it from the house he just robbed and family he murdered inside. Is that gold bad then?

I see nothing wrong with trying to track bitcoin thefts.

What if a guy comes up to you selling shiny gold that was carefully cleaned? Is that gold good or bad?

An economy based on endless growth is unsustainable.
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January 11, 2015, 04:30:57 AM
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We know the the address of the Bitstamp robber. Is it feasible for future regulations to ban merchants from accepting coins from a specific address? This means also banning bitcoin mixers from doing the same.
You aren't an alt of marcotheminer are you? This sounds like the kind of topic that he likes to start so he can make a lot of replies to a stupid question.

Technically yes it would be feasible to stop the bitcoin in the subject address (or any address for that matter) from ever spending their coins. It would however be a horrible idea and would harm the fungibility of bitcoin and would likely lead to it's eventual failure   

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January 11, 2015, 03:28:31 PM
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Not without the consensus of all the users, and you aren't going to get that.
Great! that seems to be the answer i was waiting for: yes its technically possible, but requires community consensus... right?

Correct.

Bitcoin is built on the consensus of the users.  If you can get 100% of the users to agree to some protocol change, then you can make the change.  The further you get from 100% the less possible it is to implement a change.



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January 11, 2015, 03:45:06 PM
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We know the the address of the Bitstamp robber. Is it feasible for future regulations to ban merchants from accepting coins from a specific address? This means also banning bitcoin mixers from doing the same.
Well just think it like this. If Person A stole bitcoins, and everyone now knows Person A's face, then  Person A could mix and send his money to Person B , and approach the merchants.
I don't think the merchants will keep checking the relationship between A & B all the time.
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January 11, 2015, 04:03:23 PM
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Banning addresses is about as effective as requiring real world physical money transactions to be validated by the participants having a blade of grass, and should either of them do anything scammy, their blade of grass will be taken away!


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January 12, 2015, 03:49:10 PM
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There should be no future regulations which change the Bitcoin protocol. Period.
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January 12, 2015, 03:52:41 PM
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We know the the address of the Bitstamp robber. Is it feasible for future regulations to ban merchants from accepting coins from a specific address? This means also banning bitcoin mixers from doing the same.

Bitcoin isnt going to replace every form of payment at least yet, its good at what it does, it works differently then other payment types.
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January 13, 2015, 03:24:06 AM
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Not without the consensus of all the users, and you aren't going to get that.
Great! that seems to be the answer i was waiting for: yes its technically possible, but requires community consensus... right?

Correct.

Bitcoin is built on the consensus of the users.  If you can get 100% of the users to agree to some protocol change, then you can make the change.  The further you get from 100% the less possible it is to implement a change.


There is no reason why the community would ever agree to this. We do not even have proof that these bitcoin were even stolen, all we have is a claim by a company that people have for some reason trusted with millions of dollars worth of bitcoin

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January 13, 2015, 05:39:15 AM
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We know the the address of the Bitstamp robber. Is it feasible for future regulations to ban merchants from accepting coins from a specific address? This means also banning bitcoin mixers from doing the same.

This would be a bit complicated, as he can easily change the sending address, or just send the coins to a few different casinos and exchanges then withdraw them to other accounts. It would take a lot for a program to back track every transaction to block the spending. I wish he would accidentially send 100 or so of those coins to my wallet tho. i would put them to good use. Smiley and even eb willing to pay Bitstamp back with interest on the investment Smiley

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