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January 08, 2015, 07:32:51 AM
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https://web.archive.org/web/20140104141936/http://coinmarketcap.com/

https://coinmarketcap.com/

1 year ago today, verses today. 

5 of the top 10 are still alive.

I didn't see a single example of a single coin that is better today than a year ago, including Bitcoin.  And some like Litecoin and Peercoin have even lost like 90%, and some like Mastercoin even much more than that.

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January 08, 2015, 07:48:02 AM
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What date is that from?

ProtoShares by BitShares was given 50% of BTSX on Feb 28th which became BitShares now at no.5. So holders of BitShares have done alright. They were also given stakes in many other DACs and coins.

BitShares is the winner from 2014 imo

BitShares is only getting started though, 1.0 is coming within a month Smiley

2015 is the year of the decentralized exchange and Stable BitAssets

The Worlds First Decentralized Exchange
http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/07/The-Worlds-First-Decentalized-Exchange/

The Future of Crypto Currency Exchanges
http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/05/The-Future-of-Crypto-Currency-Exchanges/

http://whatisbitusd.com/

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fnunXnLdJdw

Lost money on Bitcoin & alts in 2014? Should have bought BitShares...
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January 08, 2015, 08:10:54 AM
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https://web.archive.org/web/20140104141936/http://coinmarketcap.com/

https://coinmarketcap.com/

1 year ago today, verses today. 

5 of the top 10 are still alive.

I didn't see a single example of a single coin that is better today than a year ago, including Bitcoin.  And some like Litecoin and Peercoin have even lost like 90%, and some like Mastercoin even much more than that.

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January 08, 2015, 08:27:18 AM
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i hope the slump continues for 2 more years, so we'd know which ones are legit.

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January 08, 2015, 09:39:38 AM
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What date is that from?

1 year ago today, verses today. 


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January 08, 2015, 09:49:35 AM
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What date is that from?

ProtoShares by BitShares was given 50% of BTSX on Feb 28th which became BitShares now at no.5. So holders of BitShares have done alright. They were also given stakes in many other DACs and coins.

BitShares is the winner from 2014 imo

BitShares is only getting started though, 1.0 is coming within a month Smiley

2015 is the year of the decentralized exchange and Stable BitAssets

The Worlds First Decentralized Exchange
http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/07/The-Worlds-First-Decentalized-Exchange/

The Future of Crypto Currency Exchanges
http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/05/The-Future-of-Crypto-Currency-Exchanges/

http://whatisbitusd.com/

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fnunXnLdJdw

Lost money on Bitcoin & alts in 2014? Should have bought BitShares...


The comparison was for coins from one year ago today to today.  Not coins created sometime later to coins today.  If I wanted to pick a date of the coin I shill for and compare that, I could say Paycoin is the king of 2014 and has definitely out performed Bitshares.

Look, I know you are excited about your coin, but better not to look at hard facts and then say that your hypothetical world is better than the world on the charts based by real numbers.  

Also, you can find Protoshares at #69 in the link I sent you.  Yet you can't find it on today's CMC anywhere.  Regardless of some kind of surprise audible change midstream smoke and mirrors metamorphosis that somehow allowed Protoshares to go into a cocoon and come out the other side as Bitshares (with making the devs much richer), the fact of the matter remains that Protoshares was on the chart, and now it isn't.  

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January 08, 2015, 10:02:42 AM
Last edit: January 08, 2015, 10:33:31 AM by FandangledGizmo
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What date is that from?

ProtoShares by BitShares was given 50% of BTSX on Feb 28th which became BitShares now at no.5. So holders of BitShares have done alright. They were also given stakes in many other DACs and coins.

BitShares is the winner from 2014 imo

BitShares is only getting started though, 1.0 is coming within a month Smiley

2015 is the year of the decentralized exchange and Stable BitAssets

The Worlds First Decentralized Exchange
http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/07/The-Worlds-First-Decentalized-Exchange/

The Future of Crypto Currency Exchanges
http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/article/2015/01/05/The-Future-of-Crypto-Currency-Exchanges/

http://whatisbitusd.com/

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fnunXnLdJdw

Lost money on Bitcoin & alts in 2014? Should have bought BitShares...


The comparison was for coins from one year ago today to today.  Not coins created sometime later to coins today.  If I wanted to pick a date of the coin I shill for and compare that, I could say Paycoin is the king of 2014 and has definitely out performed Bitshares.

Look, I know you are excited about your coin, but better not to look at hard facts and then say that your hypothetical world is better than the world on the charts based by real numbers.  

Also, you can find Protoshares at #69 in the link I sent you.  Yet you can't find it on today's CMC anywhere.  Regardless of some kind of surprise audible change midstream smoke and mirrors metamorphosis that somehow allowed Protoshares to go into a cocoon and come out the other side as Bitshares (with making the devs much richer), the fact of the matter remains that Protoshares was on the chart, and now it isn't.  

OMG! You're right it's there @69! BitShares really was the best investment of 2014 by far! Cool! Smiley

It's no smoke and mirrors, owning Protoshares got you 50% of BTSX on the 28th Feb Smiley
(It's pretty straightforward.)

So $1000 of BitShares Protoshares bought at the beginning of 2014 would be worth a lot today from the shares it got you in BTS and other DACs!
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January 08, 2015, 11:58:55 AM
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Unobtanium is up $160k year over year. It's holding value well, especially considering it past through a inflationary period during 2014.

http://unobtanium.uno
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January 08, 2015, 12:07:45 PM
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Good luck to Fandangledgizmo and Bitshares -- and we've been running a decentralised (albeit 'manual') exchange for months. Come and say hello:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=757232.0

Mark (IndiaMikeZulu), Australia
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January 08, 2015, 12:32:06 PM
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Good luck to Fandangledgizmo and Bitshares -- and we've been running a decentralised (albeit 'manual') exchange for months. Come and say hello:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=757232.0

Mark (IndiaMikeZulu), Australia

Good luck to you guys too. According to the poster above UNO had a good 2014, well done Smiley

From a brief look at the link it looks like you're doing a trust based trading option, which then is not decentralised. As in, personally I don't want to have to trust a bank or centralised exchange or a 'trusted trader' which the option you seem to offer. 

BitShares lets you store and trade value in a decentralised way, no centralised or counterparty risk Smiley

More important are the BitAssets. With BitShares you can send a dollar stable asset, globally in ten seconds for 1 cent regardless of transaction size. It's all on the decentralised exchange and backed by 300% average collateral - No centralised banks/exchanges/trusted traders to target or worry about.
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January 08, 2015, 01:00:43 PM
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MSC down more than 98% in 12 months.  Yet crazy how even now CounterParty (which realised everything MSC promised to do- and much more) is still trading at 90% discount to the price of MSC quoted there.

Either irrational exuberance in entire alt market fueled by the overbought & manipulated btc and all we've been seeing is a steady slide back down to reality- in which case slowly market matures and starts to filter out the wheat from the chaff realising there is only limited fiat inflow and there needs to be actual utility...or really a mad bear market going on these past months where nothing is safe from the red. I'd wager more of the former, esp considering junk like auroracoin reached laughable caps..

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January 08, 2015, 01:27:14 PM
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Unobtanium is up $160k year over year. It's holding value well, especially considering it past through a inflationary period during 2014.

http://unobtanium.uno

And now rubs elbows with World, Mega, and Nova.

I don't know if that show if UNO should have been worth $15Million or that these World-class coins were only really worth $500k.

Anyone have a sound argument that XYZ coin is better at holding value than UNO?  

It's 2 parts getting the algo right and 1 part having great/mature/forward-thinking community.

And zero parts ... fancy website, ICO, air-drop, special navajo speaking teleportation anonimizer, nor the promise of a ton of Urine.

The guy running the circus ain't too bad either Smiley

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I like PTS/BTS ... I think they are the leading example of DAC, but I still can't understand what the funtion is of my PTS, nor even how to redeem them for all these side projects.  It's over my head and more than complicated to understand.  

The UNO exchange is not a centralized institution, it is a way to link trusted parties, in the old fashion way.  I hope BTS can figure how to store $1 in this 'dollar stable asset' forever ... but like I say whom am I trusting in that agreement?   UNO exchange does the same but you choose which person to trust, the closest example is localbitcoins.    

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I like PTS/BTS ... I think they are the leading example of DAC, but I still can't understand what the funtion is of my PTS, nor even how to redeem them for all these side projects.  It's over my head and more than complicated to understand.  

The UNO exchange is not a centralized institution, it is a way to link trusted parties, in the old fashion way.  I hope BTS can figure how to store $1 in this 'dollar stable asset' forever ... but like I say whom am I trusting in that agreement?   UNO exchange does the same but you choose which person to trust, the closest example is localbitcoins.    

1. You're right it got quite complicated. So they merged a lot of efforts. Now you just buy BitShares at no.5
It's a Super-DAC that offers loads of options all on one blockchain.

2. You are trusting open source code and mathematics.

I hope the following explanation helps, though it can seem complicated if you've never traded before but for the end user it's very simple...

If you want to buy 1BitUSD it costs you $1 worth of BitShares & it's very easy.

But what happened to create that decentralised dollar and to make it secure?

People who want to take a leveraged position on BitShares can short a BitAsset like BitUSD at the price feed.
The shorts are required to lock up $2 worth of collateral and they compete on how much interest they're willing to pay the longs.  

When a long (Someone who wants 1 BitUSD) meets a short, a new fungible BitUSD is created.

http://bitsharesblocks.com/assets/asset?id=USD  - This system maintains an average of 300% of collateral to back BitAssets and is able to generate interest for BitAsset holders.

http://bitshares.org/the-value-proposition-of-bitshares-part-ii-bitassets/

For the end user though it will be very simple, there are BitUSD, BitCNY etc. specific mobile wallets coming with 1.0 soon.

You can get a glimpse of  one of the versions coming at 1:40 in this 2 min promo video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnunXnLdJdw
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January 08, 2015, 02:13:40 PM
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get some Bitswift, hold and enjoy in the not to distant future.

legit coin, legit dev (dude is public) and there's huge development releasing soon for it.

you're welcome.  Cool

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January 08, 2015, 02:31:44 PM
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A sad year for alts? It's been a sad year for bitcoin too, though bitcoin is pretty much the only coin I think that has a future. Pretty much all the others deserve to die off as there's no genuine use for the vast majority of them.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20140104141936/http://coinmarketcap.com/

https://coinmarketcap.com/

1 year ago today, verses today. 

5 of the top 10 are still alive.

I didn't see a single example of a single coin that is better today than a year ago, including Bitcoin.  And some like Litecoin and Peercoin have even lost like 90%, and some like Mastercoin even much more than that.

I feel so sad when I see the charts. From this point of view we got bearish times behind us right now.
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A sad year for alts? It's been a sad year for bitcoin too, though bitcoin is pretty much the only coin I think that has a future. Pretty much all the others deserve to die off as there's no genuine use for the vast majority of them.

Actually it's been sad year for bitcoin and bitcoin only. Alts are still at same value as they were..some of them have gained value overtime. Bitcoin has been on decline since January and I don't think it's EVER going back to that level again. It was one huge pump by a pro and he cashed out in January. Market is the living proof.

Some rich guys were mining it and as soon as they found that they could get fiat in exchange of bitcoin they started pumping it.

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January 08, 2015, 03:35:29 PM
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Yeah I think alts have a better chance than bitcoin

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January 08, 2015, 05:39:14 PM
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damn!!!! 

don't forget that was a sad year for Gold too!

...oh!  and for Silver too!!


... oh,,, also for Gas too!!!


wait!  too many to list : use that link : http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/gas.aspx?timeframe=1y  and check the left sidebar for the goods

 Roll Eyes

-= not see the forest for the trees =-
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January 08, 2015, 05:55:14 PM
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The good ol days Tongue

Man that was the time to make some cash

The good ol' days before I arrived. Wink






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